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What is different between REAL CHRISTIANITY & a CULT that thinks it's "Christian"? (1 Viewer)

It either does or it doesn't.

Ok, it doesn't...ever...he was falsely accused of being God/of saying he was God...

"The Jews answered him: “We are stoning you, not for a fine work, but for blasphemy; for you, although being a man, make yourself a god.” John 10:33

And he answered them this way...

"do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?" John 10:36
 
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He is 2nd in line of a headship...educate yourself on what means...

Headship refers to the position or state of being a leader or in charge, especially in an organization or a family. It can also refer to the period during which someone is in charge. In a religious context, it can describe a principle of authority and responsibility, often associated with men in leadership roles within the family or church, according to some interpretations.
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No human, No angel, NO created being is capable of being even 2nd to GOD. Only the SON of GOD who emptied HIMSELF can fulfill any role HE so wishes.
 
No human, No angel, NO created being is capable of being even 2nd to GOD. Only the SON of GOD who emptied HIMSELF can fulfill any role HE so wishes.
And Jehovah God can make anyone He wishes 2nd in command...
 
Ok, it doesn't...ever...he was falsely accused of being God/of saying he was God...

"The Jews answered him: “We are stoning you, not for a fine work, but for blasphemy; for you, although being a man, make yourself a god.” John 10:33

And he answered them this way...

"do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?" John 10:36
Most likely his Father was a Roman soldier.
 
And Jehovah God can make anyone He wishes 2nd in command...
GOD cannot sin as an example... So, in fact GOD is limited only by HIS perfection. And created beings are not able to do what GOD is capable of doing. And frankly only GOD could do what CHRIST did on the cross without caving in. It would be far too much for any created being to bear and be forsaken by the FATHER during the crucifixion. It couldn't possibly happen. GOD had to do it, and so HE did because GOD is triune... Each being of the whole has HIS part to play... THEY are ONE. THEY are united, and THEY are GOD. There is no competition. There is no tension between them. They know their plan, and CHRIST is the focus. While the FATHER directs the events, The Bible is entirely about CHRIST. Why, how, when, where ---- from Genesis through Revelation.
 
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And created beings are not able to do what GOD is capable of doing.
Not true...God can give anyone He wishes the power to do anything...

And frankly only GOD could do what CHRIST did on the cross without caving in
And frankly, if God was on that cross/stake, it certainly makes any sacrifice null and void because God cannot/does not die...

It would be far too much for any created being to bear and be forsaken by the FATHER during the crucifixion.
Jesus proved otherwise...unlike Adam, he remained faithful to his Father even til death...

GOD had to do it, and so HE did because GOD is triune...
No, He didn't...
 
Not true...God can give anyone He wishes the power to do anything...
No, GOD cannot share HIS power with anyone. The FATHER, SON, and HOLY SPIRIT are there because they are all eternal, create, and mighty.
And frankly, if God was on that cross/stake, it certainly makes any sacrifice null and void because God cannot/does not die...
As a human, CHRIST simply commended HIS SPIRIT to HIS FATHER.
Jesus proved otherwise...unlike Adam, he remained faithful to his Father even til death...
HE remained faithful because HE is GOD.
No, He didn't...
Yes HE did.
 
No, GOD cannot share HIS power with anyone.
Where do you think the apostles got their power? SMH

As a human, CHRIST simply commended HIS SPIRIT to HIS FATHER.
Because he had faith Jehovah would resurrect him...the spirit is no more than the breath of life...

"Again Jesus called out with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit." Matthew 27:50

yielded up his spirit: Or “expired; ceased to breathe.” The term “spirit” (Greek, pneuʹma) may here be understood to refer to “breath” or “life force,” which is supported by the use of the Greek verb ek·pneʹo (lit., “to breathe out”) in the parallel account at Mr 15:37 (where it is rendered “expired” or, as in the study note, “breathed his last”). Some suggest that the use of the Greek term rendered “yielded up” means that Jesus voluntarily stopped struggling to stay alive, since all things had been accomplished. (Joh 19:30) He willingly “poured out his life even to death.”—Isa 53:12; Joh 10:11.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1001070627?q=breath+of+life&p=sen

HE remained faithful because HE is GOD.
lol...God doesn't need faith...He is the Supreme Being...
 
Where do you think the apostles got their power? SMH
They were given the power to heal but not to create and entire Universe. Lucifer didn't even every have that ability and he was in fact an angel.
Because he had faith Jehovah would resurrect him...the spirit is no more than the breath of life...
That is a Witness notion. A living thing cannot exist without its soul, but what GOD creates doesn't vaporize when one dies. https://www.gotquestions.org/human-soul-mortal-immortal.html

"Again Jesus called out with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit." Matthew 27:50

yielded up his spirit: Or “expired; ceased to breathe.” The term “spirit” (Greek, pneuʹma) may here be understood to refer to “breath” or “life force,” which is supported by the use of the Greek verb ek·pneʹo (lit., “to breathe out”) in the parallel account at Mr 15:37 (where it is rendered “expired” or, as in the study note, “breathed his last”). Some suggest that the use of the Greek term rendered “yielded up” means that Jesus voluntarily stopped struggling to stay alive, since all things had been accomplished. (Joh 19:30) He willingly “poured out his life even to death.”—Isa 53:12; Joh 10:11.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1001070627?q=breath+of+life&p=sen


lol...God doesn't need faith...He is the Supreme Being...
CHRIST took on the attributes of a human without sin. And so HE did in fact reveal an illustrative side as HE indeed depended on the FATHER for support as HE had emptied HIMSELF.
 
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Consider this with regard to the Bible.

Speech is instinctive to humans. We don't have to be taught to speak.

Writing is an invention. It is not instinctive. We all have to be taught to read and write.

Following along Christian beliefs, since speech is instinctive, therefore "in the image of God," and writing is an invention which occurred after The Fall, I can deduce that writing is not in the image of God, and as an invention of Fallen Man, not to be trusted.
 
Consider this with regard to the Bible.

Speech is instinctive to humans. We don't have to be taught to speak.

Writing is an invention. It is not instinctive. We all have to be taught to read and write.

Following along Christian beliefs, since speech is instinctive, therefore "in the image of God," and writing is an invention which occurred after The Fall, I can deduce that writing is not in the image of God, and as an invention of Fallen Man, not to be trusted.
In the Book of Enoch, the angel Penemue is said to have taught man the art of reading and writing.
 
In the Book of Enoch, the angel Penemue is said to have taught man the art of reading and writing.
This does not conflict with anything I wrote. Human beings learn to read and write. It's an invention, not an instinct. Speech is instinctive.
 
This does not conflict with anything I wrote. Human beings learn to read and write. It's an invention, not an instinct. Speech is instinctive.
Sure it does. According to the Book of Enoch, writing was not an invention of man. It was one of the divine secrets of heaven revealed to man by the angels.
 
Sure it does. According to the Book of Enoch, writing was not an invention of man. It was one of the divine secrets of heaven revealed to man by the angels.
According to Greek mythology, fire was a gift from Promethius.
 
Sure it does. According to the Book of Enoch, writing was not an invention of man.
Writing was invented by various societies around the world at various times.

It was one of the divine secrets of heaven revealed to man by the angels.
Reading and writing are learned. They're not instinctive. That's a fact you can't get around, especially by pointing to something that was written in the book under consideration.
 
Writing was invented by various societies around the world at various times.


Reading and writing are learned. They're not instinctive. That's a fact you can't get around by pointing to something that was written in the book under consideration.
We’re talking about this is in the context you established, ie Christian belief. And you are incorrect that man is the inventor of writing in Christian belief.
 
We’re talking about this is in the context you established, ie Christian belief. And you are incorrect that man is the inventor of writing in Christian belief.
Which doesn't change the fact that writing is an invention. Sumerians and Egyptians had been writing for millennia when the OT was written. Regardless, invented by men or a lesser god, it's still an invention. It has to be taught. If you believe you were created in God's image, then your ability to think and speak shows this. There is nothing that shows writing to be in the image of God other than...writing.

Your argument is circular.
 
Which doesn't change the fact that writing is an invention. Sumerians and Egyptians had been writing for millennia when the OT was written. Regardless, invented by men or a lesser god, it's still an invention. It has to be taught. If you believe you were created in God's image, then your ability to think and speak shows this. There is nothing that shows writing to be in the image of God other than...writing.

Your argument is circular.
You framed this in the context of Christian belief. The Christian belief is that writing was a divine secret of heaven revealed to man by the angel Penemue. It is not a corrupt invention of man and this event pre-dates civilization. I’m just correcting your misunderstanding of what the belief is.
 
You framed this in the context of Christian belief.
Yes, the belief that we are created in the image of God.

Following along Christian beliefs, since speech is instinctive, therefore "in the image of God," and writing is an invention which occurred after The Fall, I can deduce that writing is not in the image of God, and as an invention of Fallen Man, not to be trusted.

I'm making a distinction between how we were created, according to Christian belief, and the fact that we aren't created with an instinct to read and write.

The Christian belief is that writing was a divine secret of heaven revealed to man by the angel Penemue. It is not a corrupt invention of man and this event pre-dates civilization. I’m just correcting your misunderstanding of what the belief is.
Yes, I get that. It's irrelevant to the argument. I have no way of testing this other than the very written word you use as its own test. I can test whether thought and speech are created in the image of God. We each are endowed with thought and speech. No one has to be taught to think and speak. I don't need any written words to know this.

Reading and writing are not innate to the created human being. Whether you believe writing is a secret revealed by a lesser god is irrelevant. People still need to be taught to read and write. The chain of education is linked with and by human beings. If we separate a group from this chain at a pre-linguistic age, isolate them, and raise them, they each will grow up thinking and speaking. After several generations, language would evolve. None would ever write. Unless and until the idea of recording thoughts with symbols occurs to one of them, they will go on, created in the image of God, without the invention of writing.

Thinking and speaking are innate to God's human creation. Writing is not.
 
Yes, the belief that we are created in the image of God.

Following along Christian beliefs, since speech is instinctive, therefore "in the image of God," and writing is an invention which occurred after The Fall, I can deduce that writing is not in the image of God, and as an invention of Fallen Man, not to be trusted.

I'm making a distinction between how we were created, according to Christian belief, and the fact that we aren't created with an instinct to read and write.


Yes, I get that. It's irrelevant to the argument. I have no way of testing this other than the very written word you use as its own test. I can test whether thought and speech are created in the image of God. We each are endowed with thought and speech. No one has to be taught to think and speak. I don't need any written words to know this.

Reading and writing are not innate to the created human being. Whether you believe writing is a secret revealed by a lesser god is irrelevant. People still need to be taught to read and write. The chain of education is linked with and by human beings. If we separate a group from this chain at a pre-linguistic age, isolate them, and raise them, they each will grow up thinking and speaking. After several generations, language would evolve. None would ever write. Unless and until the idea of recording thoughts with symbols occurs to one of them, they will go on, created in the image of God, without the invention of writing.

Thinking and speaking are innate to God's human creation. Writing is not.
In the belief system, reading and writing are presumed to be an invention of God along with the spoken language. So, along your reasoning, the ability to learn and do these things is an innate artifact of being formed in the image of God and according to the belief the original values were divine.

If your intention here is to test whether or not the belief is true then that’s a different matter and you don’t need the written word to test that. But there isn’t currently an alternative not the least of which reasons is that there is no consensus on what constitutes writing.
 
And gets to be chained to a rock and have his liver ripped out by an eagle every day for all eternity for it.
Hercules eventually came around and freed him.
We’re talking about this is in the context you established, ie Christian belief.
Belief is all it is.
And you are incorrect that man is the inventor of writing in Christian belief.
Man invented writing.
In the belief system, reading and writing are presumed to be an invention of God along with the spoken language.
Still just a belief.
 
Maybe, but you’ll never find the empirical evidence to prove it. That is just your belief.
The fact that cave paintings and ancient writings have been found, it's obvious man developed writing as a form of communication. There is no evidence a deity had anything to do with it.
 

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