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What Is Democratic Socialism

Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few. Democratic socialists do not want to create an all-powerful government bureaucracy. But we do not want big corporate bureaucracies to control our society either. Rather, we believe that social and economic decisions should be made by those whom they most affect. Today, corporate executives who answer only to themselves and a few wealthy stockholders make basic economic decisions affecting millions of people. Resources are used to make money for capitalists rather than to meet human needs. We believe that the workers and consumers who are affected by economic institutions should own and control them. Social ownership could take many forms, such as worker-owned cooperatives or publicly owned enterprises managed by workers and consumer representatives. Democratic socialists favor as much decentralization as possible. While the large concentrations of capital in industries such as energy and steel may necessitate some form of state ownership, many consumer-goods industries might be best run as cooperatives. Democratic socialists have long rejected the belief that the whole economy should be centrally planned. While we believe that democratic planning can shape major social investments like mass transit, housing, and energy, market mechanisms are needed to determine the demand for many consumer goods. Democratic socialists always opposed the ruling party-states of those societies, just as we oppose the ruling classes of capitalist societies. The improvement of people’s lives requires real democracy without ethnic rivalries and/or new forms of authoritarianism. In the short term we can’t eliminate private corporations, but we can bring them under greater democratic control. The government could use regulations and tax incentives to encourage companies to act in the public interest and outlaw destructive activities such as exporting jobs to low-wage countries and polluting our environment. Public pressure can also have a critical role to play in the struggle to hold corporations accountable. Most of all, socialists look to unions make private business more accountable. Although no country has fully instituted democratic socialism, the socialist parties and labor movements of other countries have won many victories for their people. We can learn from the comprehensive welfare state maintained by the Swedes, from Canada’s national health care system, France’s nationwide childcare program, and Nicaragua’s literacy programs. Lastly, we can learn from efforts initiated right here in the US, such as the community health centers created by the government in the 1960s. They provided high quality family care, with community involvement in decision-making.
First, we call ourselves socialists because we are proud of what we are. Second, no matter what we call ourselves, conservatives will use it against us. Anti-socialism has been repeatedly used to attack reforms that shift power to working class people and away from corporate capital. In 1993, national health insurance was attacked as “socialized medicine” and defeated. Liberals are routinely denounced as socialists in order to discredit reform. Until we face, and beat, the stigma attached to the “S word,” politics in America will continue to be stifled and our options limited. We also call ourselves socialists because we are proud of the traditions upon which we are based, of the heritage of the Socialist Party of Eugene Debs and Norman Thomas, and of other struggles for change that have made America more democratic and just. Finally, we call ourselves socialists to remind everyone that we have a vision of a better world.
 
DEMSOCIALIST... when you lift something from a pamphlet, you should attribute it to the source you lifted it from. Never mind, it's a habit with you folks. Socialists are known thieves.

For a different take from the exact same pamphlet... What is Democratic Socialism
http://www.dsausa.org/pdf/widemsoc.pdf
... see below.

In short, the Socialists are a bunch of hypocrites spouting gobbledy-gook. They talk out of both, or all orifices.
So, what do these misguided dweebs want and do? Here's the short course... they sound like the Democrat Party:

They misrepresent the reason Sweden went from being poor to being wealth. (While Obama praises China)

They believe in turning the tide against what they call the conservative myth of the virtue of “free” markets.

They believe in universal health care, strong unions, are against welfare cuts and think multinational corporations are predatory.

They believe people work out of a sense of responsibility to their community... and they think they can eliminate all but the most enjoyable forms of labor. ROTFLOL. (I guess that's why we have no shovel ready jobs... and who is going to decide what is "enjoyable"?)

They also contradict themselves and believe we believe a combination of social, economic, and moral incentives will motivate people to work at crappy jobs... and of course... they will decide what they are. (I can see the slogan now: Picking Potatos is Fun)

They would like to eliminate private corporations. (and replace them with government run conglomerates of tremendous efficiency)

They applaud the democratic revolutions that have transformed the former Communist bloc. (Yes They Do)

They believe workers and consumers who are affected by economic institutions should own and control them... like the unions and GM. (Geez... Obama stole another of their ideas?)

They believe in state ownership of industry, and cooperatives. (Yes they do)

They believe we should work as a collective. (Off to the fields... for some Fun work)

They lament the 2-party system, but I don't understand why today... for the Libs are Socialists. They aren't your GrandDad's Democrat party.

They don't like to admit they are active in the Democrat party... but they are... polluted with them. That is why I call the Democrats SAPs... the Socialists of America Party.

They believe community organizing is in line with being a SAP member.
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And there you have it... The Modern Democrat Party Platform brought to you by folks educated by Looney Tunes and Moskwa Mouse.

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Amen (link), brother. ;)

Picking Potatos is Fun

zimmer, picking potatoes could really be fun if you are debating politics or talking philosophy, i.e. using your brain heavily too. ;) Just picking potatoes is really boring.
 
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Sorry to offend you guys... And yes its really obvious that i got it from the website...
 
zimmer;bt886 said:
DEMSOCIALIST... when you lift something from a pamphlet, you should attribute it to the source you lifted it from.
Sorry i thought it would be kind of obvious that it is a pamphlet sense its a Q & A kinda thing...

Never mind, it's a habit with you folks. Socialists are known thieves.
:doh

For a different take from the exact same pamphlet... What is Democratic Socialism
http://www.dsausa.org/pdf/widemsoc.pdf
... see below.
This should be fun!

In short, the Socialists are a bunch of hypocrites spouting gobbledy-gook.
Dr. Seuss

They talk out of both, or all orifices.
So, what do these misguided dweebs want and do? Here's the short course... they sound like the Democrat Party:
Really? The Democratic Party? Really!?

They misrepresent the reason Sweden went from being poor to being wealth. (While Obama praises China)

They believe in turning the tide against what they call the conservative myth of the virtue of “free” markets.

They believe in universal health care,
If democrats believe in Univserial Health Care why did they turn their back on the public option? They couldn't even hold up a public option?

strong unions,
Yea but Democratic Socialists believe that unions should be used as a tool for worker control in the workplace while Democrats believe unions should be used for bargaining and worker benefits and not actually have worker control.

are against welfare cuts
Yep.

and think multinational corporations are predatory.
I think Democrats love multinational corporations. NAFTA? WTO? Obama's "stimulus"?


They believe people work out of a sense of responsibility to their community...
Democrats believe this? This is new!
But couldnt that be almost a reason why people work?

and they think they can eliminate all but the most enjoyable forms of labor. ROTFLOL. (I guess that's why we have no shovel ready jobs... and who is going to decide what is "enjoyable"?)
Democrats believe this also!? You must know some really "questionable" democrats...

They also contradict themselves and believe we believe a combination of social, economic, and moral incentives will motivate people to work at crappy jobs... and of course... they will decide what they are. (I can see the slogan now: Picking Potatos is Fun)
Really do not know where you are getting these ideas from...

They would like to eliminate private corporations. (and replace them with government run conglomerates of tremendous efficiency)
Never knew that Democrats wanted to do this...
And also I do not want the gov to own everything... I believe in worker control. Not gov control....

They applaud the democratic revolutions that have transformed the former Communist bloc. (Yes They Do)
Whats your point?

They believe workers and consumers who are affected by economic institutions should own and control them... like the unions and GM. (Geez... Obama stole another of their ideas?)
Wait workers own GM? This is new news to me...

They believe in state ownership of industry, and cooperatives. (Yes they do)
I do believe that steel, oil, water, and electricity should be state owned... But the Democrats believe this also!? More new news to me!

They believe we should work as a collective. (Off to the fields... for some Fun work)
Never saw anything about that of collectivism... Democrats believe in collectivism! More new news to me!

They lament the 2-party system,
You believe this "2 party system" is good?
We can debate this all day about the 2 party system.

but I don't understand why today... for the Libs are Socialists.
No libs are not socialists... This is a retarded claim. Libs are socialists is a ridiculously dumb claim.

They aren't your GrandDad's Democrat party.
I have this feeling that your head is so far up the right wings ass that you have lost sense of reality and swallowed every sense of propaganda that the Democratic Party is suddenly a "radical party sense" Obama took office... Is this true?

They don't like to admit they are active in the Democrat party... but they are... polluted with them.
Been watching to much Beck have we? :doh

That is why I call the Democrats SAPs... the Socialists of America Party.
Well i wish about 1/2 of the things you just mentioned were active points on the Democrats Platform but unfortunately you live in a fairy tale world and i live in reality...

They believe community organizing is in line with being a SAP member.
AHHH COMMUNITY ORGANIZERS!!! :scared:

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And there you have it... The Modern Democrat Party Platform brought to you by folks educated by Looney Tunes and Moskwa Mouse.

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LINK: Socialism Viewed Positively by 36% of Americans
Socialism

A majority of 53% of Democrats have a positive image of socialism...
Sixty-one percent of liberals say their image of socialism is positive...
Is it any surprise the SAPs elect Bernie Sanders styled socialists to represent them in Congress?
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TheDemSocialist;bt893 said:
Sorry i thought it would be kind of obvious that it is a pamphlet sense its a Q & A kinda thing...
Ugh huh... that's why it was a condensed version sans any formatting or the slightest hint it came from somewhere else?

If democrats believe in Univserial Health Care why did they turn their back on the public option? They couldn't even hold up a public option?
It's like Gays in the Military. First get something to wedge the door open, then change it down the line. It's not a new tactic by the Left.

Really do not know where you are getting these ideas from...
Directly from the brochure you plagiarized.

No libs are not socialists... This is a retarded claim. Libs are socialists is a ridiculously dumb claim.
Libs have foisted a whole lot of Socialism on America, and they never let us know where the finish line is.
I have this feeling that your head is so far up the right wings ass that you have lost sense of reality and swallowed every sense of propaganda that the Democratic Party is suddenly a "radical party sense" Obama took office... Is this true?
They were radikal long before Obama got into office. That radikalization began decades ago.

Been watching to much Beck have we? :doh
I think I've seen Beck's show two or three times. I don't get FOXNEWS.

AHHH COMMUNITY ORGANIZERS!!! :scared:
Look what our First Community Organizer has done, and look at what damage ACORN has done in collusion with the Socialists of Amerika Party... aka Libs.

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zimmer;bt968 said:
Is it any surprise the SAPs elect Bernie Sanders styled socialists to represent them in Congress?
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Whats your point?


Ugh huh... that's why it was a condensed version sans any formatting or the slightest hint it came from somewhere else?
What a PDF?

It's like Gays in the Military.
Comparing health care and repealing Dont Ask Dont tell? Seriously?

First get something to wedge the door open, then change it down the line. It's not a new tactic by the Left.
Hahah you caught us! Damn :roll:

Directly from the brochure you plagiarized.
No where does it say that "we will decide what jobs thos are" or even leans that way..


Libs have foisted a whole lot of Socialism on America, and they never let us know where the finish line is.
What socialism?

They were radikal long before Obama got into office. That radikalization began decades ago.
We are becoming radical leftist country now?



I think I've seen Beck's show two or three times. I don't get FOXNEWS.
Then you need to get off conspiracy websites..

Look what our First Community Organizer has done,
What been a right wing moderate. And hasnt kept to a lot of his promises.

and look at what damage ACORN has done
Acorn is no longer an active organization.

in collusion with the Socialists of Amerika Party... aka Libs.

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That party also dissolved in the seventies.
 
TheDemSocialist;bt892 said:
Sorry to offend you guys... And yes its really obvious that i got it from the website...

Naughty, naughty :) Here’s where it was copied from:
•What is Democratic Socialism? by BullMoose1912 on DeviantArt
•Progressivism, Socialism, Communism, and Liberalism is there a difference? | Alternative
•http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki?curid=39596452

It’s why it sounds so odd, it’s just a wall of words of someone else’ fantasy idea of perfect equality.
 
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