What is "anti-American"

[Maximus Zeebra]

People these days throw out comment to anyone who dont blindly agree and glorify the US that they are anti-American, so lets see where the limit goes.

 

[Kandahar]

People who use non facts and glorification of the US as arguments in a debateforum

How about people who use non-facts to criticize the US in every single post they make in a debate forum? For example, you.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

How about people make negative statements about the US even when the US has nothing to do with the thread?

http://www.debatepolitics.com/523451-post1.html

Hmmm...you again.

 

[Billo_Really]

Anti-American is the following:

• People that have a blind allegiance to the flag
• People that support legislation that compromises the Constitution.
• People that support un-provoked armed aggression.
• People that do not take the time to become well informed on the issues before they vote.
• People that want to build a wall across the border.
• People that want to combine Church and State.
• People that are intolerant to other nations and cultures
• People that say, "I'm a god-damn American!"

The list is a lot longer, but I'm getting tired.

 

[Hatuey]

Anti-American is the following:

• People that have a blind allegiance to the flag
• People that support legislation that compromises the Constitution.
• People that support un-provoked armed aggression.
• People that do not take the time to become well informed on the issues before they vote.
• People that want to build a wall across the border.
• People that want to combine Church and State.
• People that are intolerant to other nations and cultures
• People that say, "I'm a god-damn American!"

The list is a lot longer, but I'm getting tired.

I'm a ******* American. Oops I'm anti-American now. :roll:

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

How about people make negative statements about the US even when the US has nothing to do with the thread?

http://www.debatepolitics.com/523451-post1.html

Hmmm...you again.

There was not negative statement about the US in that, just a question about when the EU pass US gdp growth..

You are a perfect example of the people who take anything as anti Americanism.

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

How about people who use non-facts to criticize the US in every single post they make in a debate forum? For example, you.

You clearly dont think its a fact that people die in Iraq every day because of the US invasion.

To you its not a fact that the US is aggressive in foreign policy and that their foreign aid contribution is low.

To you its not a fact that the US is widely disliked around the world.

To you its not a fact that the US have lost allies because of Iraq.

To you its not a fact that US have massive trade debt and trade deficits.

To you its not a fact that dollars are being replaced by Euroes every day.


Etc, etc etc... Those are facts, but I guess since they are no PRO-American facts, they are not facts in your mind.


Show me one post that I critized the US in where I used an UNFACTUAL base for my assumption, and I will explain you why and the aspects of it that you dont understand, or I will admit in that case I did just critisize without reason and ask you to show me one more.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Hmmm...it's been a little slow around here and I'm in the mood to debate, so let's see how much I agree with Billo.

Anti-American is the following:

People that have a blind allegiance to the flag

With accent on the word 'blind'. If you mean agreeing with America and American policies no matter what, then I agree with you completely.

People that support legislation that compromises the Constitution.

The Constitution is a living, breathing entity (I'm a Benjamain Cardozzo fan). Supporting legislation that changes the Constitution is not anti-American. What do you mean by 'compromises'?

People that support un-provoked armed aggression.

Define 'unprovoked'. Some preemptive 'strikes' to prevent aggression that puts the US national security at risk is not anti-American.

People that do not take the time to become well informed on the issues before they vote.

Completely agree.

People that want to build a wall across the border.

Disagree. Protecting one's territorial security is not anti-American.

People that want to combine Church and State.

Is there a stronger phrase than completely agree?

People that are intolerant to other nations and cultures

Agree.

People that say, "I'm a god-damn American!"

Without anything behind it? Agree.

 

[Kandahar]

You clearly dont think its a fact that people die in Iraq every day because of the US invasion.

To you its not a fact that the US is aggressive in foreign policy and that their foreign aid contribution is low.

To you its not a fact that the US is widely disliked around the world.

To you its not a fact that the US have lost allies because of Iraq.

To you its not a fact that US have massive trade debt and trade deficits.

To you its not a fact that dollars are being replaced by Euroes every day.


Etc, etc etc... Those are facts, but I guess since they are no PRO-American facts, they are not facts in your mind.

Actually I agree with all of those things, dingleberry. But unlike you, I don't have a vendetta against the United States.

Show me one post that I critized the US in where I used an UNFACTUAL base for my assumption, and I will explain you why and the aspects of it that you dont understand, or I will admit in that case I did just critisize without reason and ask you to show me one more.

OK. Look no further than your moronic and infantile signature. Or how about the image you submitted of the US flag with swastikas in place of the stars.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

There was not negative statement about the US in that, just a question about when the EU pass US gdp growth..

Your statement in the post brought up the US, professing the upcoming advancements of the EU over the US. The article that you posted did not mention the US at all. Your comment was an obvious, yet subtle attempt to get a 'shot' on America, which you do most of the time. I stand by my statement.

You are a perfect example of the people who take anything as anti Americanism.

Please. You have no idea what you are talking about. I've posted with you many times and I think you know better. When you make intelligent, non aggressive or bashing posts, you receive responses similar. When you don't, I point it out, especially when you wonder why you receive negative comments. I have done this many times, and the frustrating part is you claim to not be anti-American, but you consistently initiate the bashing.

If your behavior wasn't as it is, you wouldn't get called out as much.

 

[Hatuey]

You clearly dont think its a fact that people die in Iraq every day because of the US invasion.

Not because the Sunnis and Shias are killing eachother?

To you its not a fact that the US is aggressive in foreign policy and that their foreign aid contribution is low.

Already debunked. Several times. U.S. foreign aid contribution dollar by dollar surpases that of any other country in the world. You really want me to put the links up again?

To you its not a fact that the US is widely disliked around the world.

Must be why immigrants want to stay here and raise their children here. :roll:

To you its not a fact that the US have lost allies because of Iraq.

Like who? France? Don't make me laugh. If I do. You guys might surrender. Again.

To you its not a fact that US have massive trade debt and trade deficits.

Only fact you've stated yet.

To you its not a fact that dollars are being replaced by Euroes every day.

LOL. Yes and Euros are replaced with Yens and Yens with Jamaican dollars and Jamaican dollars with Rupies. Trade you know?

Show me one post that I critized the US in where I used an UNFACTUAL base for my assumption, and I will explain you why and the aspects of it that you dont understand, or I will admit in that case I did just critisize without reason and ask you to show me one more.

To you its not a fact that the US is aggressive in foreign policy and that their foreign aid contribution is low.

American Generosity is Underappreciated

Actual dollar contributions reveal that the U.S. is the world’s largest donor. The OECD calculates U.S. development assistance (based on bilateral assistance, humanitarian assistance, and contributions to multilateral institutions like the International Development Association of the World Bank) in 2003 at $16.2 billion—more than double the amount given by France, Germany, or any other European nation.[2] Japan is second at $8.9 billion.

Private aid is ignored. These numbers do not include private assistance. This is not a major factor for most other nations because private charity is not large in most countries. It is a gigantic oversight when calculating America’s aid ratio, however, because the U.S. Agency for International Development estimated that private assistance was $33.6 billion in 2000.[3] Therefore, the calculations upon which Egelund based his criticism severely shortchange the generosity of the United States.

Thank goodness I dont have to work today.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

You clearly dont think its a fact that people die in Iraq every day because of the US invasion.

To you its not a fact that the US is aggressive in foreign policy and that their foreign aid contribution is low.

To you its not a fact that the US is widely disliked around the world.

To you its not a fact that the US have lost allies because of Iraq.

To you its not a fact that US have massive trade debt and trade deficits.

To you its not a fact that dollars are being replaced by Euroes every day.


Etc, etc etc... Those are facts, but I guess since they are no PRO-American facts, they are not facts in your mind.

Like Kandahar I agree with everything you said here (except the last one, and only because I haven't researched it...economics is not my thing). Yet when I post comments against American policy, unlike you, my posts don't drip of aggression against America in general. You tend to expand one issue with America to many issues, often making degrading comments along the way. It's the difference between arguing the issue and arguing the country.

*Edit* Correction. I read one of your points too quickly. I disagree with the US aid contribution being low. Hatuey us right. This has been debunked in many threads

 

[Hatuey]

*Edit* Correction. I read one of your points too quickly. I disagree with the US aid contribution being low. Hatuey us right. This has been debunked in many threads

He keeps pushing that myth like it'll somehow be true someday. This particular myth has been debunked not once, not twice but 4 different times and yet he keeps spewing it. He wants to believe that Europistan gives more money to African, Asian and Arab nations then America does. Sadly. It's not true. Oh well.

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

Actually I agree with all of those things, dingleberry. But unlike you, I don't have a vendetta against the United States.

I have no vendetta, I just want the US to change.

If you have a child who is ****ing up in school, what do you do?

1. Say nothing
2. Talk positive about the child and mention non of the failures
3. Talk the truth and try to get him to change

???

OK. Look no further than your moronic and infantile signature. Or how about the image you submitted of the US flag with swastikas in place of the stars.

Well maybe there is a reason people made a lot of US flags with swasticas, and have those on the intenet? Ever though of that?

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

Your statement in the post brought up the US, professing the upcoming advancements of the EU over the US. The article that you posted did not mention the US at all. Your comment was an obvious, yet subtle attempt to get a 'shot' on America, which you do most of the time. I stand by my statement.

You show that you are an example of those overprotective and sensitive Americans. So what if I mentioned the US? Maybe I did it for comparison, ever though of that?

Please. You have no idea what you are talking about. I've posted with you many times and I think you know better. When you make intelligent, non aggressive or bashing posts, you receive responses similar. When you don't, I point it out, especially when you wonder why you receive negative comments. I have done this many times, and the frustrating part is you claim to not be anti-American, but you consistently initiate the bashing.

If your behavior wasn't as it is, you wouldn't get called out as much.

I am not bashing, but in your mind I probably am since you found that first thing you pointed out, the mare mention of the US as bashing and critisizm. I feel comfortable that I am right about this and you are oversensitive.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

You show that you are an example of those overprotective and sensitive Americans. So what if I mentioned the US? Maybe I did it for comparison, ever though of that?

No, it was the exposure of yet another link in your pattern. Perhaps it was a minor one, but it was part of the pattern, nonetheless. It was no isolated incident to become oversensitive about.

I am not bashing, but in your mind I probably am since you found that first thing you pointed out, the mare mention of the US as bashing and critisizm. I feel comfortable that I am right about this and you are oversensitive.

Again, it was just another example of a pattern of behavior that you have shown. When you post non-disengenuous information about America, I do not call you out on it...and you do at times. When the post is targetted, I will continue to point it out. I am comfortable that I am right about this and your comment was not made in good faith.

 

[Hatuey]

I have no vendetta, I just want the US to change.

If you have a child who is ****ing up in school, what do you do?

1. Say nothing
2. Talk positive about the child and mention non of the failures
3. Talk the truth and try to get him to change

???

You want the U.S. to change? ROFL you mean negotiate with Bin Laden, Hezbollah and Hamas the way you've suggested so many times? Please don't make me laugh Daladier. Please point out how EU foreign aid is higher then American foreign aid so I can shoot that illusion down again. All you can do is complain because Europistan is full of ******s(starting with Tony Blair) who'd have rolled over to Al-Qaeda after 3-4 London-like bombings.

Well maybe there is a reason people made a lot of US flags with swasticas, and have those on the intenet? Ever though of that?

Morons who have been to the U.S. for 4-6 months and think that they're experts on this country.

 

[Slainte]

I have no vendetta, I just want the US to change.

If you have a child who is ****ing up in school, what do you do?

1. Say nothing
2. Talk positive about the child and mention non of the failures
3. Talk the truth and try to get him to change

No, this is what's wrong with your whole attitude. America isn't a kid. We're not her mother. They are currently in a more powerful position than "Europe" on the world stage and they have been for 50 years. You delude yourself by trying to talk to down to them.

Currently Europe ain't really that good and most Europeans don't like it very much. Right now America isn't that great either and most Americans don't like it very much. I don't particularly like the US just now, but I don't treat her as some dumb little kid in need of my guidance. Americans know what's best for America and Europeans know what's best for Europe.

Your whole attitude just mirrors that of the American right who endlessly tell us how much **** Europe is. They piss me off and frankly so do you.

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

Not because the Sunnis and Shias are killing eachother?

Actually, no. Did they do that in such massive numbers BEFORE the US removed Saddam? Did 100ds of people die every day?

Already debunked. Several times. U.S. foreign aid contribution dollar by dollar surpases that of any other country in the world. You really want me to put the links up again?

US foreign AID per capita is lower than all European countries. That is state AID as % of government spending I am talking about yes. And only that, if you want something else you better compare it to the same.
I dont want to hear your US private+ public AID, inside and outside the country VS the EU government foreign AID again. You can count much of the EU budget as foreign aid if you want as well, the insfrastructure budget, but its internal in the EU thus not foreign..

Then again you American are keen on bragging about your charity contribution, but that is not foreign AID, most of that is spent INSIDE the US.
And you didnt even care to compare it to a European equivilant.

US foreign AID is only 0.16% of GDP, while most Europeean nations are above 0.5% and many above 1%..

US foreign AID is low, its just no dispute.

Must be why immigrants want to stay here and raise their children here. :roll:

That must be why immigrants want to do the same in Europe, all of it. That
must be the same reason immigrants in all nation wants to do that.

Like who? France? Don't make me laugh. If I do. You guys might surrender. Again.

Like most of Europe, who dont agree with the US anymore and is less willing to go along with your bullshit. This is why Europe will ultimately replace the US, and have US be allied of Europe.

LOL. Yes and Euros are replaced with Yens and Yens with Jamaican dollars and Jamaican dollars with Rupies. Trade you know?

Laugh all you want, that doesnt change the fact that the Euro took dollar market share as world reserve currency and is still doing so. In every apsect of a currency the Euro is now bigger than the dollar, except as foreign reserve currency, but thats just a matter of time now.

American Generosity is Underappreciated

Nice way of putting it "Actual dollar contributions reveal that the U.S. is the world’s largest donor. "

No one else donates in dollars.. Thats why.. The US can brag all they want, and redifine things to make it fit their own glorified picture of themself, but that doesnt make it true..

Thank goodness I dont have to work today.

Ohh no, I also have to work today, actually, I am at work.

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

No, it was the exposure of yet another link in your pattern. Perhaps it was a minor one, but it was part of the pattern, nonetheless. It was no isolated incident to become oversensitive about.

Yea, part of your pattern of sensitivity about the US, part of all you guys oversensitivness about the US. Part of how you are all unable of critisizing the US yourself. Part of how you take everything as anti-American unless its for purpose of glorifying the US.

Again, it was just another example of a pattern of behavior that you have shown. When you post non-disengenuous information about America, I do not call you out on it...and you do at times. When the post is targetted, I will continue to point it out. I am comfortable that I am right about this and your comment was not made in good faith.

I never post UNFACTUAL things about the US.

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

You want the U.S. to change? ROFL you mean negotiate with Bin Laden, Hezbollah and Hamas the way you've suggested so many times? Please don't make me laugh Daladier. Please point out how EU foreign aid is higher then American foreign aid so I can shoot that illusion down again. All you can do is complain because Europistan is full of ******s(starting with Tony Blair) who'd have rolled over to Al-Qaeda after 3-4 London-like bombings.

Its so black and white for you Americans innit? As soon as I mention change you assume the US sucking Bin ladens ****, and beg to the middle east for forgiveness and suck them all.

This is not what I mean, but instead of being a ****ing fool in foreign policy like the US is now, you can tone it down and do it in a different way.

Morons who have been to the U.S. for 4-6 months and think that they're experts on this country.

Yeah ofcourse, I am God of the US, almitghty knower of the US, and its ONLY because I have been there 4-6 months. :2wave:

 

[Hatuey]

Actually, no. Did they do that in such massive numbers BEFORE the US removed Saddam? Did 100ds of people die every day?

No before we came it was Saddam who was doing all the killing.

US foreign AID per capita is lower than all European countries.

We still give more money then you do. What exatcly is your deal?

That is state AID as % of government spending I am talking about yes.
And only that, if you want something else you better compare it to the same.
I dont want to hear your US private+ public AID, inside and outside the country VS the EU government foreign AID again. You can count much of the EU budget as foreign aid if you want as well, the insfrastructure budget, but its internal in the EU thus not foreign..

Can you say that in english? Inside and outside the country? Wtf are you talking about. It's foreign aid. Goes from the U.S. to another country. Don't be mad cause Americans are more generous dollar for dollar.

Then again you American are keen on bragging about your charity contribution, but that is not foreign AID, most of that is spent INSIDE the US.
And you didnt even care to compare it to a European equivilant.

Actually it is. Look up the definition of foreign aid. The source of that foreign aid is irrelevant.

US foreign AID is only 0.16% of GDP, while most Europeean nations are above 0.5% and many above 1%..

US foreign AID is low, its just no dispute.

Are you trying to compare 0.16% of the US's GDP(13 Trillion) to 1% of Luxembourgs GDP(29 Billion)? ROFL.You're an idiot. Thanks. The only countries that even comes close to our GDP in Europe are England and Germany and they dont even have 20% of our GDP. Comparing the GDP % each country gives in foreign aid is not only unfair but retarded.

That must be why immigrants want to do the same in Europe, all of it. That
must be the same reason immigrants in all nation wants to do that.

Really? This must have been a fluke then.

2005 civil unrest in France - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Like most of Europe, who dont agree with the US anymore and is less willing to go along with your bullshit. This is why Europe will ultimately replace the US, and have US be allied of Europe.

Right you'd rather put up with this :2razz: :2razz:

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E4rMJVHyeg[/YOUTUBE]

Laugh all you want, that doesnt change the fact that the Euro took dollar market share as world reserve currency and is still doing so. In every apsect of a currency the Euro is now bigger than the dollar, except as foreign reserve currency, but thats just a matter of time now.

Still laughing.

Nice way of putting it "Actual dollar contributions reveal that the U.S. is the world’s largest donor. "

No one else donates in dollars.. Thats why.. The US can brag all they want, and redifine things to make it fit their own glorified picture of themself, but that doesnt make it true..

Ohh no, I also have to work today, actually, I am at work.

So what if nobody else donates in dollars? Does that change the fact that we still donated more then other countries?

U.S. foreign aid in dollars : 16.2 Billion dollars(more then double of that given by any European country) and thats without adding private foreign aid(33.6 billion) which is double what the government gives.

 

[Hatuey]

Its so black and white for you Americans innit? As soon as I mention change you assume the US sucking Bin ladens ****, and beg to the middle east for forgiveness and suck them all.

Are you saying you haven't suggested negotiating with terrorists? You have. On many occasions.

This is not what I mean, but instead of being a ****ing fool in foreign policy like the US is now, you can tone it down and do it in a different way.

Sigh. "Peace in my lifetime" comes to mind. The Europeans once again choosing to bend over for the people who threaten to kill their children and women.

Yeah ofcourse, I am God of the US, almitghty knower of the US, and its ONLY because I have been there 4-6 months. :2wave:

Must be because of the great view you get of the U.S. from...France?

 

[Hatuey]

No, this is what's wrong with your whole attitude. America isn't a kid. We're not her mother. They are currently in a more powerful position than "Europe" on the world stage and they have been for 50 years. You delude yourself by trying to talk to down to them.

Currently Europe ain't really that good and most Europeans don't like it very much. Right now America isn't that great either and most Americans don't like it very much. I don't particularly like the US just now, but I don't treat her as some dumb little kid in need of my guidance. Americans know what's best for America and Europeans know what's best for Europe.

Your whole attitude just mirrors that of the American right who endlessly tell us how much **** Europe is. They piss me off and frankly so do you.

LoL he thanked you for dissing him.

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

Are you saying you haven't suggested negotiating with terrorists? You have. On many occasions.



Sigh. "Peace in my lifetime" comes to mind. The Europeans once again choosing to bend over for the people who threaten to kill their children and women.



Must be because of the great view you get of the U.S. from...France?

Obviously its too late to negotiate with the US.. Lets just make a new NAZI politics with the muslims as victims instead of jews. Lets start wars without justification, lets invade countries, lets all be brainwashed and believe noting else than these things are important. Lets forget that 3-4 times the population of our own countries or unions are hungry every day, malnutrition. Lets forget all the sick people, lets just forget all these things and start instead a new NAZI style politics where we are all brainwashed and believe Bush has the solution, whatever he propose, lets just believe our leaders and their ****ing ingnorance.