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Oh, and we also print our own money. That helps a lot.
That, at least, is not fiat money.
Oh, and we also print our own money. That helps a lot.
That, at least, is not fiat money.
Which is one reason the government came down hard on them. But that's the topic of another thread.That, at least, is not fiat money.
Which is one reason the government came down hard on them. But that's the topic of another thread.
There are consevative governments and liberal governments, has there ever been any libertarian governments?
Not that I can think of, no, and thank God in Heaven for it.
Follow the money, honey. Libertarians are a wholey owned subsidiary of the no good sons of Birchers.
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Read more The billionaire Koch brothers’ war against Obama : The New Yorker
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These two brothers, Charles and David Koch aren't just bad for your health, they're just plain bad, as in Anarcho Totalitarian bad. It's time the country knew who is really footing the bill for all the anti-government, anti-tax, anti-regulations, anti-environment, anti-climate change, anti-human, anti-Obama, anti-American people, and the so called tea party bowel movement. It's none other than the suck Koch brothers and they are single handedly destroying this country.
I was quoting William F. Buckley's interpretation of the Koch brothers libertarian philosophy. So I'm just guessing but I think the way Buckley meant Anarcho Totalitarian" was, "no government, corporate control." So Libertarians better be careful what they wish for or they might just get it. Cuz, these guys mean business with a capital B. I'm already seeing their anti-tax ads on TV.
The Koch brothers are too busy fighting with each other to do much damage.
When the corporation built and tried to hide it's shoddy product and their product injured and/or killed people. Or when the corporation poured millions of gallons of chemicals into water system and people got chronically sick. Or when the corporations pollute the air and people can't go outside or breath without inhalers. Thats how a corporation can hold control over MY life.When has a corporation ever held control over YOUR life? How about the government?
Well, suit yourself. But based on that data I would never vote for a Libertarian that had any connection to the Birchers or was even remotely funded by the Koch brothers.Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2010 | OpenSecrets
I do follow the money, very closely. Based on this data, I would vote for a republican before I'd vote for a democrat.
When the corporation built and tried to hide it's shoddy product and their product injured and/or killed people. Or when the corporation poured millions of gallons of chemicals into water system and people got chronically sick. Or when the corporations pollute the air and people can't go outside or breath without inhalers. Thats how a corporation can hold control over MY life.
The local and state government directly effects my life a lot more than the federal government. Does that answer your questions?
When the corporation built and tried to hide it's shoddy product and their product injured and/or killed people. Or when the corporation poured millions of gallons of chemicals into water system and people got chronically sick. Or when the corporations pollute the air and people can't go outside or breath without inhalers. Thats how a corporation can hold control over MY life.
The local and state government directly effects my life a lot more than the federal government. Does that answer your questions?
Hmmm.
The corporation built and tried to hide what shoddy product from you that injured and/or killed who? And which which water system did you find millions of gallons of chemicals and who got sick? Which polluted air from which corporation did you breath that forced you to rely on inhalers for daily oxygen intake?
Where any of these instances tried in court? Did the corporations pay for their damages, and were they forced to clean up their mess?
And I understand that local and state government can affect you tremendously. But at least you're free to move to another local or state area that may offer you the freedoms you desire. When the fed blankets the entire country with a one-size-fits-all policy or regulation, it can have devastating consequences on everybody, and there would be no where to go in this world of jealous nations.
The only time I ever even hear about the Birchers is at gun shows. I haven't seen them in or around anything libertarian. I'm surprised they're even still around. They can probably have their convention in a phone booth.Well, suit yourself. But based on that data I would never vote for a Libertarian that had any connection to the Birchers or was even remotely funded by the Koch brothers.
Well, suit yourself. But based on that data I would never vote for a Libertarian that had any connection to the Birchers or was even remotely funded by the Koch brothers.
Koch Industries produces and puts formaldehyde in pressed wood and insulation that is used to build homes and offices. David Koch, was appointed by Bush to sit on the advisory board of the National Cancer Institute while his company Koch Industries spent millions to lobby against classifying formaldehyde as a cancer causing carcinogen. Formaldehyde off gassing in homes and offices would have a direct effect on the quality of my life and yours.
Company Owned By Cancer Research Donor Lobbied Against Designation of Formaldehyde as Carcinogen - ProPublica
Formaldehyde | Indoor Air Quality | US EPA
I have a vested interest in where I live and in my country, so if you don't like my exercising my constitutional rights to protect my health and property, then likewise, you are more than free to move yourself to a country that doesn't have environmental/consumer protections and regulations or the protected right to free speech.
I especially like one point by the lady in the second video: we should open up cottage industries and make them legal!
Have you ever heard of Cleon Skousen?So, you'll NEVER vote for a democrat or a republican or a libertarian, right?
And nobody cares about the Birchers! The Birchers are not even representative of the Libertarian philosophy. Libertarians are non-religious, and some of the more famous libertarians were down-right atheist. Try being an atheist member of the JBS.
Willard Cleon Skousen (January 20, 1913 – January 9, 2006) was an American author and conservative American Constitutionalist and faith-based political theorist. He was also prolific popularizer among Latter-day Saints of their theology. A notable anti-communist and supporter of the John Birch Society,[1] Skousen's works involved a wide range of subjects including the Six-Day War, Mormon eschatology, New World Order conspiracies, and even parenting.[2] His most popular works are The 5,000 Year Leap and The Naked Communist.....snip
In fall of 2007, political commentator Glenn Beck began promoting The 5,000 Year Leap on his show, describing it as "divinely inspired" and written by someone "much more intelligent than myself".[32] That book claims that the U.S. Constitution was actually based on Christian virtue as well as Enlightenment philosophy.[8] Skousen's son Paul Skousen asked Beck to write the foreword for a new edition of the book. Texas Governor Rick Perry has also promoted the book.[33][34]
After Glenn Beck began promoting Skousen's The 5,000 Year Leap in March 2009, it went to number one in sales on the Amazon.com charts and stayed in the top 15 throughout the following summer. In September 2009, the book was being sold at 9-12 Project meetings and was often used as source material for 9-12 Project speakers.[8]
Cleon Skousen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Interview with Katie Couric (at 1:45): "How would you describe your brand of politics? I don't know, ummm... libertarian, but I hack the libertarians off... I still believe in a strong national defence. Though I'm becoming more and more libertarian every day. YouTube - Glenn Beck.
And nobody cares about the Birchers! The Birchers are not even representative of the Libertarian philosophy. Libertarians are non-religious, and some of the more famous libertarians were down-right atheist. Try being an atheist member of the JBS.
I'm not really interested in a long discussion about formaldehyde to derail the topic. You asked me how corporations directly effect my life and I gave you an example using the Koch Industries to prove my point. Whether or not you accept my answer is not my problem because the fact of the matter is corporations can and do directly effect my life and yours, whether you care to admit it or not....That simply isn't true, because the EPA classified it as a known human carcinogen in the late 1990s, and Koch is not the only company to use the substance in construction material. Formaldehyde is used extensively in the Woodworking and cabinet-making industries. Formaldehyde is used in the glues which bond particle-board together. The particle board is used underneath wood veneer and plastic laminate. Cabinets, bank counters, and veneered & laminated woodwork of all sorts, use particle board containing formaldehyde under the plastic laminate and wood veneer. And generally, the levels of formaldehyde that housing residents are exposed to is quite low. There's more of a danger with the woodworkers who are being exposed to the fumes of heating the glue underneath the wood veneer.
Thanks, but I think I'll stay right where I am and fight for what for what I believe in, cuz that's just the way I am. And as far as decentralization goes, no thanks. I like the idea of a central government protecting my rights and personal freedom from the infringement and tyranny of the states. So thank God for the Constitution and the central government that enforces it or my state would be the nuclear waste dumping ground for the world and all it's natural wonders and resources would be long gone into the hands of a few self serving, no good SOB's that think they own the state legislature and can do anything they want, where ever they want and to whoever they want.And I specifically said that if you weren't happy with the local area in which you currently reside, there are many places to go in America. Each state is truly unique, and every county and town is even more personable. That's the great thing about decentralization. There's plenty of room for some states to experiment with new ideas while a complete freedom of mobility allows the individual to settle where he or she wishes to call home. However, if you continue to empower the central government over the state government, then you're asking for blanket conformity. And if the country ever becomes that discouraging, across the board, there are few places left to go in this world of jealous nations. I NEVER said you should pack up and leave the U.S.A. if you're not happy. I was making a comparison of federalism and decentralization.
Ron Paul is religious, but he doesn't use his religion to get elected or beat people over the head with and I respect him for that.Well, clearly quite a lot of Libertarians care about the JBS. Are you being deliberately flippant or consciously misleading when you say, "Libertarians are non-religious"? Which libertarians? What branch of the philosophy? What, all of them? Perhaps your particular sect are, but I'm guessing you aren't the spokeman for Libertarianism (TM) worldwide.
Well, maybe you just weren't paying attention.....The only time I ever even hear about the Birchers is at gun shows. I haven't seen them in or around anything libertarian. I'm surprised they're even still around. They can probably have their convention in a phone booth.
...The reaction to Obama has also radicalized parts of the conservative movement, giving life to conspiracy theories long buried and strains of thinking similar to those espoused by the John Birch Society and other right-wing groups in the 1950s and '60s. ....
The rise of the Tea Party movement is a throwback to an old form of libertarianism that sees most of the domestic policies that government has undertaken since the New Deal as unconstitutional. It typically perceives the most dangerous threats to freedom as the design of well-educated elitists out of touch with "American values."
In its extreme antipathy to the power of the federal government, this movement may prove to be threatening to the Republicans in what should otherwise be a good year for the party...
http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/75680/birch-and-barry
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Have you not been receiving your checks from Koch Industries? Mine usually come in the mail around the first of the month.