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[nogoodname]

well many christians want religion tought in school well i was wondering what if this happened? Well many arab countries have classes for christians and muslims and other religions would this get everyone to shut up and be happy? or you dont have to take one at all?

 

[nogoodname]

:waiting: anyone?

 

[RightinNYC]

No matter how well intentioned, won't work in public schools.

I think every single private school/university should mandate a generic class on religion/theology, but it just won't fly outside of that atmosphere.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

:waiting: anyone?

Not with my tax dollars. Perhaps a class on the effects of religion throughout human history. Classes based on war and oppression can be fun.

 

[jamesrage]

well many christians want religion tought in school well i was wondering what if this happened?

Considering the different denominations and for it to be cost effective you would proably have to teach a very stripped down version of christianity that does not conflict with the different denominations.There would also have to be requirements for who can teach religion in school,I wouldn't want a fake christian to tell the kids that homosexuality,murder,stealing and adultery are not sins or anything else that constidicts what the bible says.

 

[nogoodname]

No matter how well intentioned, won't work in public schools.

I think every single private school/university should mandate a generic class on religion/theology, but it just won't fly outside of that atmosphere.

So then why do republicans want it or why do they bitch about it?:shock:

 

[nogoodname]

Not with my tax dollars. Perhaps a class on the effects of religion throughout human history. Classes based on war and oppression can be fun.

We have that... its called History Class.

 

[RightinNYC]

So then why do republicans want it or why do they bitch about it?:shock:

As fun as it is to generalize, it doesn't always hold true. I would wager that most Republicans don't truly want to see this, regardless of how they might answer in a casual poll. And it's less of a Republican/Democrat issue than it is an Evangelical/Non-evangelical issue.

Heck, one of the districts that instituted a bible class recently did so at the behest of a Democratic Governor(?, can't recall right now) down in GA(?).

 

[nogoodname]

As fun as it is to generalize, it doesn't always hold true. I would wager that most Republicans don't truly want to see this, regardless of how they might answer in a casual poll. And it's less of a Republican/Democrat issue than it is an Evangelical/Non-evangelical issue.

Heck, one of the districts that instituted a bible class recently did so at the behest of a Democratic Governor(?, can't recall right now) down in GA(?).

ya generalizing is fun isnt it:mrgreen:

 

[Voidwar]

To get back to the thread title, , ,

What if, , , parents did their own job on their own time ?

 

[Gibberish]

To get back to the thread title, , ,

What if, , , parents did their own job on their own time ?

I think a lot of american parents are lazy and don't want to actually teach or watch their kids. They rely on the school to teach and babysit their kids during the hours of 8-5. So instead of actually talking to their children they need to try to press their beliefs to be taught in the schools. They would hate for their children to actually get different perspectives and be forced to make their own decision because it might not be the decision the parents agree with.

That's just my opinion.

 

[Tinker]

I don't necessarily want religion taught in school. I, more than anything, want to at least have the option of all the sides of a question given equal credence.

Example - If you are going to present evolution as a viable explanation of this worlds ultimate origins, then also include intelligent design as an equally viable explanation. The instructor doesn't have to agree with either side. Nor does christianity as a specific religion have to be taught as the only possible answer. Just let the students know that there are more possibilities out there than one flawed theory that has yet to be proven.

For the record anyone actually reading the entirety of Darwins theories will recognize that Darwin himself was trying to explain how God works!

Tinker

 

[Voidwar]

poppycock

Darwin was not in Galapagos looking for some ancient hebrew spellcaster.

ID IS creationism. No reason to teach spellcasting as science, when you can't even show me one reproducible spell.

 

[cherokee]

well many christians want religion tought in school well i was wondering what if this happened? Well many arab countries have classes for christians and muslims and other religions would this get everyone to shut up and be happy? or you dont have to take one at all?

That would also mean people could teach Islam in schools here......

No thanks..:2wave:

 

[Tinker]

poppycock

Darwin was not in Galapagos looking for some ancient hebrew spellcaster.

ID IS creationism. No reason to teach spellcasting as science, when you can't even show me one reproducible spell.

Point of fact

To my mind it accords better with what we know of the laws impressed on matter by the Creator, that the production and extinction of the past and present inhabitants of the world should have been due to secondary causes, like those determining the birth and death of the individual.

This is a direct quote, copied and pasted here, from the article written by Charles Darwin titled, On the Origin of Species. Written specifically on or about October 1st, 1859.

Let it also be said that Darwin himself included a quote that reads thus -

"To conclude, therefore, let no man out of a weak conceit of sobriety, or
an ill-applied moderation, think or maintain, that a man can search too far
or be too well studied in the book of God's word, or in the book of God's
works; divinity or philosophy; but rather let men endeavour an endless
progress or proficience in both."

Bacon: Advancement of Learning.

How then can it be said that Darwin has elliminated the need for God in the foundations of this world and the construction and the construction there of when he starts out his thesis with a quote specifically calling for the continued study of the Bible and nature. Then, in his conclusion he takes the time to state that he is mearly trying to understand the laws imposed upon nature by 'the Creator'.

To assume that Darwin was trying to remove God from the picture of the creation of the World is incorrect as stated in his own words, written by his own hand.

How then can so much of mankind be duped into believing otherwise? I tell you truly, that it has happened because the common man has neglected his studies and instead relied upon the flawed understanding of a few disinfranchised souls who have diligently perversed his original work to suit their own personal gains.

As for creationism or intelligent design, calling it spellcasting as a bit of a stretch even for own so broad mouthed as you. Your closed minded intellictual crippling of yourself shows itself glaringly on this forum. It is truly sad that you have killed your own awe of the unexplained so completey.

We should take care not to make intellect our God; it has, of course, powerful muscles, but no personality.

The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity.

My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.

Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish.


-Albert Einstein

 

[128shot]

Erm, if parents want to say homosexuals are evil vile creatures to their kids, while I think its unethical, they have that right.


If you're going to teach this in schools, I'd riot...

 

[Tinker]

Problem is 128 that there are groups that want to teach the exact opposite. They want to take away the right for parents to tell their kids in private that homosexuality is bad and place classes in schools that specifically say that homosexuality is not only good, but a normal part of life.

Much like the whole issue with prayer in school. Whether or not a school has prayer in it is up to the school, not the government. And the ACLU, the Coalition for the Seperation of Church and State, et al, has used judges to force schools to remove prayer from the school. Somethiing they didn't ahve the legal right to do.

But I digress, that is another topic.

 

[128shot]

I want people to realize first and foremost homosexuals are just like you and me.

After that barrier is broken, many changes come fast.

they're human. Alot of this soft touch culture crap used to spread good words about homosexuals I find distortive.


Anit-homosexuals I find just disgusting, to be quite honest with you..


Though, if thats your opinion, say what you wish, just prepare for the wrath of god to come down on thee...

 

[Tinker]

Most people realize that homosexuals are people just like you and me. The problem that I am currently seeing is that homosexuals are trying to get special treatment in school, the work place and other areas. If they weren't trying to get a job on the grounds that they are gay, I seriously doubt that the evangelical groups would be raising the fuss that they are.

There is a very small group that is pushing the whole gay agenda. There is another equally small group that is doing all the screaming and yelling in public pushing the anti-gay agenda.

The greatest majority of people would prefer that both sides sit down and shut up. The evangelicals will do that as soo as the gay rights folks realize that who or what you sleep with doesn't grant you any special privaledges.

Wonder if that will ever happen.

 

[128shot]

I've never see any special priviledges given to gays...


infact they seem to have less rights than straight men


marriage anyone?

 

[Tinker]

I have heard of more than one case here locally where a homosexual man has cried discrimination because he was gay. I wish I had more in the way of links to actual articles handy. And I have heard of and seen article where they have been accusing others of discriminating against them for being gay. Even when the person that was going to hire them had no idea they were gay.

 

[Voidwar]

How then can it be said that Darwin has elliminated the need for God in the foundations of this world and the construction and the construction there of when he starts out his thesis with a quote specifically calling for the continued study of the Bible and nature. Then, in his conclusion he takes the time to state that he is mearly trying to understand the laws imposed upon nature by 'the Creator'.

To assume that Darwin was trying to remove God from the picture of the creation of the World is incorrect as stated in his own words, written by his own hand.

How then can so much of mankind be duped into believing otherwise? I tell you truly, that it has happened because the common man has neglected his studies and instead relied upon the flawed understanding of a few disinfranchised souls who have diligently perversed his original work to suit their own personal gains.

You said all this crap, not me, not Darwin.

As for creationism or intelligent design, calling it spellcasting

Is Exactly Accurate.

Your closed minded intellictual crippling of yourself shows itself glaringly on this forum. It is truly sad that you have killed your own awe of the unexplained so completey.

Talk about the topic, not made up stories about me.
You will not be warned again.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Problem is 128 that there are groups that want to teach the exact opposite. They want to take away the right for parents to tell their kids in private that homosexuality is bad and place classes in schools that specifically say that homosexuality is not only good, but a normal part of life.

They cant keep tolerance out of the public arena.

Much like the whole issue with prayer in school. Whether or not a school has prayer in it is up to the school, not the government.

Wrong, it is up to the government, just not the federal one.

And the ACLU, the Coalition for the Seperation of Church and State, et al, has used judges to force schools to remove prayer from the school. Somethiing they didn't ahve the legal right to do.

But I digress, that is another topic.

The ACLU claimed no legal right, the judges who did the "forcing" did.

 

[Tinker]

You said all this crap, not me, not Darwin.

I quoted Darwin in that post.

Is Exactly Accurate.

How is creationism spellcasting. Where do you get the correlation?

Talk about the topic, not made up stories about me.
You will not be warned again.

Shaking in my boots. Guess when someone calls you something you don't thinkis accurate, you get all in a huff. Now you know how the folks earlier felt when you kept calling them liars. If you are going to dish it out, take it, or stay on the porch.

 

[Tinker]

They cant keep tolerance out of the public arena.

I don't have a problem with toloerance in the public arena. I have a problem when the school union is trying to force tolerance and complete acceptance for anything down the throats of my children. I don't want the schools teaching anyone that christianity is the only right religion, or anyhting else.

A general understanding of tolerance is one thing. But teaching that homosexuals should have special priviledge because of who and what they are is something else entirely. Did the schools have black sensitivity training in the 60's? Not that I have ever heard of.

Wrong, it is up to the government, just not the federal one.

That's the point. It is up to the school government, the city government and the state government to make those decisions, not the federal government at the prompting of a minority that doesn't even have children in most of the schools they are supposedly 'protecting'.

The ACLU claimed no legal right, the judges who did the "forcing" did.

The ACLU claimed that what the school, courthouse, governor and other was doind was unconstitutional. They then sued these institutions on a local level and let them prgress up to the supreme court who decided that the constitution covered the items the ACLU was suing about. Which the consitution doesn't cover. And that is where a lot of things have gone wrong.

Perhaps I worded my reply incorrectly. I intended to say that the ACLU and these other groups were taking their personal prejudices and ramming them down the throats of people who disagree with them by using the judicial system as a ram rod.