What if No One Believed in God? (1 Viewer)

[Jerry]

The whole world would be full of...

History shows that if no one believed in God, then God would just ghost the whole planet, order a pizza and Ti-Vo 24.

 

[Donkey1499]

Who cares if I am?

Its bad outweighs the good it does, 100 to 1. It has caused more hatred, animosity, and death than it has caused joy and progress.

Holy Mary Mother of God, Lord Jesus, and the Sheppards.... you sure do sound like a God Damn Communist. Boy, would Josef Stalin LOOOOVE you. How's it feel being Satan's little sidekick, whether you know it or not?

The "Bad" always shows more than the good in every situation. I could sit right here and nit pick all the bad that democrats/republicans have wreaked upon the world. But at least I'm man enough to dig and get my hands a little dirty to actually try and find some good. It's there, but you have to get your little feminine, petite hands dirty first. There's a lot of filth covering the good.

 

[Donkey1499]

yes, and on a side note, the very nature of religion is predijuce - against 'heretics', 'heathens', 'unbelievers', 'sinners' , 'antichrists'...just common terminiology in the language of nearly all major religions...

Prejudice is everywhere. People just have to live with it. You can't change the world. Atheists aren't innocent either, nor are libs, socialists, and especially communists. All of them are just as prejudice. Even you and your commie buddies are prejudice. Hippies are prejudice. Even JFK was prejudice, who was supposedly the American Messiah.

 

[Donkey1499]

Religion, in its core, is basically clan vs. clan. The exact same thought process that has kept humans fighting since our existence, it is just on a grander scale.

Until religion is unified or demolished and humans end their territorial pi$$ing parties there will always be some kind of war/fighting/death.

And you can't blame all conflicts on religion either. That record is older than the Mayflower Compact! American Revolution... Don't see religion there. American Civil War.... Don't see religion there. Japan attacks US in Hawaii.... don't see religion there. Russia counter-attacks Germany in WW2..... no religion. Britain also counter-attacks Geramny.... once agani, no religion as the major or main factor.

 

[Jerry]

Religion, in its core, is basically clan vs. clan. The exact same thought process that has kept humans fighting since our existence, it is just on a grander scale.

Until religion is unified or demolished and humans end their territorial pi$$ing parties there will always be some kind of war/fighting/death.

The same could be said for nationalism:

Nationalism, in its core, is basically clan vs. clan. The exact same thought process that has kept humans fighting since our existence, it is just on a grander scale.

Until all of the world's nations are unified or demolished and humans end their territorial pi$$ing parties there will always be some kind of war/fighting/death.

Whatdyathink?

 

[Sir_Alec]

Until all of the world's nations are unified or demolished and humans end their territorial pi$$ing parties there will always be some kind of war/fighting/death.
Whatdyathink?

Never gonna happen. Even if the world's nations were unified it would only be a confederation because we all know not everyone will agree to a one world gov'ts policies. There will still be rebelious outsiders being led by ego and fighting for control... kinda like nazis :mrgreen:

 

[Jerry]

Never gonna happen. Even if the world's nations were unified it would only be a confederation because we all know not everyone will agree to a one world gov'ts policies. There will still be rebelious outsiders being led by ego and fighting for control... kinda like nazis :mrgreen:

So, you would say similar to Gibberish regarding religion?

Religion, in its core, is basically clan vs. clan. The exact same thought process that has kept humans fighting since our existence, it is just on a grander scale.

Until religion is unified or demolished and humans end their territorial pi$$ing parties there will always be some kind of war/fighting/death.

 

[tecoyah]

The same could be said for nationalism:

Nationalism, in its core, is basically clan vs. clan. The exact same thought process that has kept humans fighting since our existence, it is just on a grander scale.

Until all of the world's nations are unified or demolished and humans end their territorial pi$$ing parties there will always be some kind of war/fighting/death.

Whatdyathink?

Yes....that would be quite pleasant, unfortunately we are unlikely to reach such a goal until religion goes away....baby steps Jerry.....baby steps.

 

[Jerry]

Yes....that would be quite pleasant, unfortunately we are unlikely to reach such a goal until religion goes away....baby steps Jerry.....baby steps.

According to Matthew Alper, we are hard-wired to believe in divinity. If this is so, then simply getting rid of religion is not only imposable (without mass brain surgeries), but also counter-evolutionary. To shun a belief in God is to make yourself a throe-back, an inferior member of your species.

It would seem that if everyone were on the same religious page -- that is, if we were all speaking the same logical language -- then not only would we be a united people, but nothing would be imposable to us. The vast majority of our differences would be rendered mute. IMO, an N.W.O. would be the first and easiest change as a result of the advent of a global religion.

 

[tecoyah]

According to Matthew Alper, we are hard-wired to believe in divinity. If this is so, then simply getting rid of religion is not only imposable (without mass brain surgeries), but also counter-evolutionary. To shun a belief in God is to make yourself a throe-back, an inferior member of your species.

It would seem that if everyone were on the same religious page -- that is, if we were all speaking the same logical language -- then not only would we be a united people, but nothing would be imposable to us. The vast majority of our differences would be rendered mute. IMO, an N.W.O. would be the first and easiest change as a result of the advent of a global religion.

Interesting concept....but not one to which I prescribe. In my opinion Human evolution must inevitably lead to the death of religious faith, as we become more and more attuned to Logical scientific thought. As we begin to (and indeed have begun to) explore the phyisical reality of the universe, mythological explanations will become less and less accepted to an informed society.....our culture will change.
Personally, I do not view this evolution of mind in a human lifetime scale, as these things take much longer than that. Rather, I consider the future of understanding in the context of many centuries, as I do the history of religion in this world. There is nothing wrong with having a faith in one "God" or another at this point in the human path, but your children, and the children after them will likely see things in a light we do not, to me at least.....this is inevitable.

 

[Sir_Alec]

So, you would say similar to Gibberish regarding religion?

Oh hell no!

 

[Jerry]

Oh hell no!

You believe that one global religion would end pretty much all the world's fighting then?

 

[Sir_Alec]

You believe that one global religion would end pretty much all the world's fighting then?

NO I don't think ending religion or turning one into a global religion is a wise choice. How about we leave all religion in the home and church/synagogue/mosque etc. and eliminate it from the government.

 

[Caine]

NO I don't think ending religion or turning one into a global religion is a wise choice. How about we leave all religion in the home and church/synagogue/mosque etc. and eliminate it from the government.

WHAT? NO RELIGION IN THE GOVERNMENT??? YOU MUST BE CRAZY?

HOW THEN, WILL WE JUSTIFY KEEPING OUR BIBLES AND TEN COMMANDMENTS IN THE COURTHOUSE? HOW WILL WE JUSTIFY OUR TRUST IN GOD ALL OVER OUR MONEY! HOW WILL WE EVER BE ABLE TO STICK IT TO THE COMMUNISTS AGAIN???


NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[tecoyah]

You believe that one global religion would end pretty much all the world's fighting then?

Not all....but certainly quite a bit of it:

Massacres of Indian Independence (1947, Hindu vs. Muslim)

Albigensian Crusade (13th century, orthodox Christians killing heretics)

Thirty Years War (Christians, Catholics vs. Protestants, Germany, 1618 to 1648)

The Crusades (Christian vs. Muslim)

Russian Pogroms (Christians killing Jews, Medieval times to 20th century)

Sri Lanka (1983 to present, Hindus mainly killing Buddhists)

Sudanese Civil War (1983 to present, Muslims vs. Christians and Animist rebels)

Teutonic Knights and their Crusades (13th through 15th centuries, Christians vs. Pagans and other Christians)

Iconoclastic Controversy (Byzantium, 726 to 9th century, Christians against Christians)

Persecution of Christians (2nd to early 4th centuries, Romans vs. Christians)

Siege and Massacre at Jerusalem (1099, Christians, killing Jews and Muslims)

Al Qaeda (Present day, Muslim fanatics vs. westerners)

Holy Inquisition (Christian vs. Jews, Muslims and heretics, Spain, 15th to 19th centuries, also spreading to other countries)

"The Religious Wars" of 16th century France (Catholics vs. Protestants)

Bosnian Civil War (1990s, Orthodox Christians vs. Muslims and Roman Catholics)

East Timor (1970s to present day, Muslims mainly killing Christians)

Hussite Wars (Roman Catholics vs. Hussites, Central Europe--Bohemia/Moravia, 15th century)

Indonesia (Halmohera, Ambon: 1990s to present: Muslims killing Christians)

Ivory Coast (present day, Christians vs. Muslims)

Sack of Constantinople, 1204 (Roman Catholics killing Orthodox Christians)

Though nothing approaching a complete list....its enough to explain my point.

 

[Caine]

Not all....but certainly quite a bit of it:

Massacres of Indian Independence (1947, Hindu vs. Muslim)

Albigensian Crusade (13th century, orthodox Christians killing heretics)

Thirty Years War (Christians, Catholics vs. Protestants, Germany, 1618 to 1648)

The Crusades (Christian vs. Muslim)

Russian Pogroms (Christians killing Jews, Medieval times to 20th century)

Sri Lanka (1983 to present, Hindus mainly killing Buddhists)

Sudanese Civil War (1983 to present, Muslims vs. Christians and Animist rebels)

Teutonic Knights and their Crusades (13th through 15th centuries, Christians vs. Pagans and other Christians)

Iconoclastic Controversy (Byzantium, 726 to 9th century, Christians against Christians)

Persecution of Christians (2nd to early 4th centuries, Romans vs. Christians)

Siege and Massacre at Jerusalem (1099, Christians, killing Jews and Muslims)

Al Qaeda (Present day, Muslim fanatics vs. westerners)

Holy Inquisition (Christian vs. Jews, Muslims and heretics, Spain, 15th to 19th centuries, also spreading to other countries)

"The Religious Wars" of 16th century France (Catholics vs. Protestants)

Bosnian Civil War (1990s, Orthodox Christians vs. Muslims and Roman Catholics)

East Timor (1970s to present day, Muslims mainly killing Christians)

Hussite Wars (Roman Catholics vs. Hussites, Central Europe--Bohemia/Moravia, 15th century)

Indonesia (Halmohera, Ambon: 1990s to present: Muslims killing Christians)

Ivory Coast (present day, Christians vs. Muslims)

Sack of Constantinople, 1204 (Roman Catholics killing Orthodox Christians)

Though nothing approaching a complete list....its enough to explain my point.

That is a whole lot of "Killin' in the name of Jeeeesus!" and, killing in the name of a few others......... but the poor persecuted christians have been killing people over religion since Rome took up Christianity.

 

[Jerry]

NO I don't think ending religion or turning one into a global religion is a wise choice. How about we leave all religion in the home and church/synagogue/mosque etc. and eliminate it from the government.

That's imposable.
Take the right to free speech, for example. Ever notice how the constitution does not establish it? The constitution only protects it. Free speech has no constitutional origin, only protection.

If you were to successfully sterilize religious beliefs from the government then you would loose the right to free speech, because there is no secular origin for free speech. It is one such inalienable right this is "endowed by their Creator".

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People tend to take their morality with them to the voting booth. How do you intend to stop that?

 

[Jerry]

Not all....but certainly quite a bit of it:
Massacres of Indian Independence (1947, Hindu vs. Muslim)
Albigensian Crusade (13th century, orthodox Christians killing heretics)
Thirty Years War (Christians, Catholics vs. Protestants, Germany, 1618 to 1648)
The Crusades (Christian vs. Muslim)
Russian Pogroms (Christians killing Jews, Medieval times to 20th century)
Sri Lanka (1983 to present, Hindus mainly killing Buddhists)
Sudanese Civil War (1983 to present, Muslims vs. Christians and Animist rebels)
Teutonic Knights and their Crusades (13th through 15th centuries, Christians vs. Pagans and other Christians)
Iconoclastic Controversy (Byzantium, 726 to 9th century, Christians against Christians)
Persecution of Christians (2nd to early 4th centuries, Romans vs. Christians)
Siege and Massacre at Jerusalem (1099, Christians, killing Jews and Muslims)
Al Qaeda (Present day, Muslim fanatics vs. westerners)
Holy Inquisition (Christian vs. Jews, Muslims and heretics, Spain, 15th to 19th centuries, also spreading to other countries)
"The Religious Wars" of 16th century France (Catholics vs. Protestants)
Bosnian Civil War (1990s, Orthodox Christians vs. Muslims and Roman Catholics)
East Timor (1970s to present day, Muslims mainly killing Christians)
Hussite Wars (Roman Catholics vs. Hussites, Central Europe--Bohemia/Moravia, 15th century)
Indonesia (Halmohera, Ambon: 1990s to present: Muslims killing Christians)
Ivory Coast (present day, Christians vs. Muslims)
Sack of Constantinople, 1204 (Roman Catholics killing Orthodox Christians)
Though nothing approaching a complete list....its enough to explain my point.

I agree with you.

Sir Alec and Cain don't seem to think that preventing such conflicts by uniting our collective 'God part of the brain' is "a wise choice", though. How would you reconcile this with them?

 

[tecoyah]

I would do what I already do.....let everyone believe whatever they want....and hope for the best. There really is no "Cure" for religion, other than time.

 

[Caine]

I agree with you.

Sir Alec and Cain don't seem to think that preventing such conflicts by uniting our collective 'God part of the brain' is "a wise choice", though. How would you reconcile this with them?

Im confused...... how did you jump to conclusions about what I think???

 

[Jerry]

I would do what I already do.....let everyone believe whatever they want....and hope for the best. There really is no "Cure" for religion, other than time.

A kind of "let nature take it's course" attitude?

Well....what ells can one do, I suppoose.

 

[Jerry]

Im confused...... how did you jump to conclusions about what I think???

What's in a [word]...
"Sir Alec and Cain don't seem to think...."

I made no conclusions. Quite the opposite really. I don’t know for certain what you do think because you post sarcasm in place of logic.

What do you think of tecoyah's "let everyone believe whatever they want....and hope for the best" outlook?

 

[Caine]

What's in a [word]...
"Sir Alec and Cain don't seem to think...."

I made no conclusions. Quite the opposite really. I don’t know for certain what you do think because you post sarcasm in place of logic.

What do you think of tecoyah's "let everyone believe whatever they want....and hope for the best" outlook?

I believe that Mr. Tecoyah is exactly right.
You, however, I don't believe you are able to even understand sarcasm. Nowhere in my post would anyone who KNOWS how to read sarcasm would jump to the conclusion about me that you did.

 

[tecoyah]

That is a whole lot of "Killin' in the name of Jeeeesus!" and, killing in the name of a few others......... but the poor persecuted christians have been killing people over religion since Rome took up Christianity.

It would seem he mistook, frustration....for sarcasm. Many a Christian would come to a similar conclusion, if only out of a sense of protectionism. Nothing wrong with that.....its acceptable if not expected.

 

[Jerry]

I believe that Mr. Tecoyah is exactly right.
You, however, I don't believe you are able to even understand sarcasm. Nowhere in my post would anyone who KNOWS how to read sarcasm would jump to the conclusion about me that you did.

It would seem he mistook, frustration....for sarcasm. Many a Christian would come to a similar conclusion, if only out of a sense of protectionism. Nothing wrong with that.....its acceptable if not expected.

I stand corrected.

Tecoyah, everyone seems to agree with you, so here's some props for dominating this thread.
Good job!