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What exactly is wrong with "Nationlism"?

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Merriam-Webster's definition of Nationalism appears to be quite reasonable to me!

In fact; I personally already identify with most of this stuff__Am I missing something?

Nationalism | Nationalism Definition by Merriam-Webster
Simple Definition of nationalism
: a feeling that people have of being loyal to and proud of their country often with the belief that it is better and more important than other countries
: a desire by a large group of people (such as people who share the same culture, history, language, etc.) to form a separate and independent nation of their own

Full Definition of nationalism
: loyalty and devotion to a nation;
: especially a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups
 

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Nothing. This is the greatest country in the world, by far. Just not perfect.
 

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Merriam-Webster's definition of Nationalism appears to be quite reasonable to me!

In fact; I personally already identify with most of this stuff__Am I missing something?

Nationalism | Nationalism Definition by Merriam-Webster
Simple Definition of nationalism
: a feeling that people have of being loyal to and proud of their country often with the belief that it is better and more important than other countries
: a desire by a large group of people (such as people who share the same culture, history, language, etc.) to form a separate and independent nation of their own


There is nothing wrong with being proud of one's nation and it's accomplishments.

It becomes problematic when this belief system is used as a foundation for conquest and control of other nations, militarily or economically.
 

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Merriam-Webster's definition of Nationalism appears to be quite reasonable to me!

In fact; I personally already identify with most of this stuff__Am I missing something?

Nationalism | Nationalism Definition by Merriam-Webster
Simple Definition of nationalism
: a feeling that people have of being loyal to and proud of their country often with the belief that it is better and more important than other countries
: a desire by a large group of people (such as people who share the same culture, history, language, etc.) to form a separate and independent nation of their own

Full Definition of nationalism
: loyalty and devotion to a nation;
: especially a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups

The only people who find anything wrong with nationalism are globalist/internationalist scum.
 

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Merriam-Webster's definition of Nationalism appears to be quite reasonable to me!

In fact; I personally already identify with most of this stuff__Am I missing something?

Nationalism | Nationalism Definition by Merriam-Webster
Simple Definition of nationalism
: a feeling that people have of being loyal to and proud of their country often with the belief that it is better and more important than other countries
: a desire by a large group of people (such as people who share the same culture, history, language, etc.) to form a separate and independent nation of their own

Full Definition of nationalism
: loyalty and devotion to a nation;
: especially a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups

There's nothing wrong with Nationalism. I love the USA. I fought for the USA. I respect the flag of the USA. I would fight again for the USA. I feel that I and my family are part of the luckiest group of people in the world that have the unbelievable fortune to be US Citizens. I support, defend, respect, and truly believe in the government limiting purpose, and the person right recognition and protections of the US Constitution.

However, just as it is with most things, extremism of any sort is not good. Nationalism should not be used as an excuse to hate, or injure. Nationalism in and of itself does not hate or injure. Nationalism is not a bad thing, and in fact is required for a nation to exist, flourish, and survive. Without it, were just a group of people with nothing to hold us together.
 

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The only people who find anything wrong with nationalism are globalist/internationalist scum.

Well...that is pretty much the definition of solely relying on an antonym based, black-white, and hyper-politicized argument to make a point.

There is something wrong with a pure nationalist interpretation. You must recognize that a pure version of that ideology can lead to very horrific outcomes if aloud to operate with the force of the government or military - the hutus versus the tutsis and the nazis versus the jews being a couple of prime examples.

Yes, nationalism is also a good thing and I love my country more than any other, but I also recognize the value that our planet provides to our nation and that's why love for other countries is also a love for my own. I am not scum for believing that as fact.
 

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Nothing. This is the greatest country in the world, by far. Just not perfect.

That's easier for those of us to see and understand that have traveled the world and seen the differences that exist, and how lucky we actually are for being blessed to be US Citizens. That doesn't mean we should stop trying to make us as a people and us as a country, better.
 

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Well...that is pretty much the definition of solely relying on an antonym based, black-white, and hyper-politicized argument to make a point.

There is something wrong with a pure nationalist interpretation. You must recognize that a pure version of that ideology can lead to very horrific outcomes if aloud to operate with the force of the government or military - the hutus versus the tutsis and the nazis versus the jews being a couple of prime examples.

Yes, nationalism is also a good thing and I love my country more than any other, but I also recognize the value that our planet provides to our nation and that's why love for other countries is also a love for my own. I am not scum for believing that as fact.
Globalist scum like to resort to bringing Hitler or some other genocidal mass murderer to somehow paint nationalism is a bad light.
 

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Merriam-Webster's definition of Nationalism appears to be quite reasonable to me!

In fact; I personally already identify with most of this stuff__Am I missing something?

Nationalism | Nationalism Definition by Merriam-Webster
Simple Definition of nationalism
: a feeling that people have of being loyal to and proud of their country often with the belief that it is better and more important than other countries
: a desire by a large group of people (such as people who share the same culture, history, language, etc.) to form a separate and independent nation of their own

Full Definition of nationalism
: loyalty and devotion to a nation;
: especially a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups

Problem is that nationalism so often leads to "we are better than them" attitudes, which is a problem for "them" if the nationalism gets so rabid that mass discrimination or worse happens... and that the nationalism basically blinds you to this, because standing up to such things would make you a traitor and not patriotic. We saw some of that during the Bush administration in the lead up to the Iraq war... just ask the Dixie Chicks and others that opposed the war.

So a little being proud of your nation is fine, but if it gets out of hand then you got problems.
 

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The wealthy elite want nations to have little power so that they can increase their wealth. This is why for instance you see the Koch family sitting out the Trump candidacy, because one of the things they care most about is Amnesty for illegals and the free flow of people across borders so that they can exploit them as workers. For the elite nationalism goes in the wrong direction, it makes exploitation and building their wealth more difficult. Somehow in another they have convince the lefty elite that this is a good idea, not that this is saying much, as the current class of global elite seem to be none too bright.
 

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Problem is that nationalism so often leads to "we are better than them" attitudes, which is a problem for "them" if the nationalism gets so rabid that mass discrimination or worse happens... and that the nationalism basically blinds you to this, because standing up to such things would make you a traitor and not patriotic. We saw some of that during the Bush administration in the lead up to the Iraq war... just ask the Dixie Chicks and others that opposed the war.

So a little being proud of your nation is fine, but if it gets out of hand then you got problems.

If they are better then there is nothing wrong with understanding that they are better, or saying that they are better.

The people who know the truth are better off than the people who dont.
 
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There's nothing wrong with being proud of your country and it's accomplishments. It's not even surprising to see your own nation as morally superior.

The problem with nationalism is how easy it lends itself to unwarranted and unnecessary senses of supremacy. How easily it is used to justify negative actions against other nations and groups simply because they're not of your own kind.

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If they are better then there is nothing wrong with understanding that they are better, or saying that they are better.

The people who know the truth are better off than the people who dont.

So you are saying that Americans are better than Canadian.. or Christians are better than Jews or whites are better than blacks....? Rampant nationalism almost always leads defining them and us by race or religion. Rampant nationalism promotes discrimination
 

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So you are saying that Americans are better than Canadian.. or Christians are better than Jews or whites are better than blacks....? Rampant nationalism almost always leads defining them and us by race or religion. Rampant nationalism promotes discrimination

If one restaurant suits me better than a different restaurant then that restaurant is better according to me. Same goes for countries. Same goes for Religion. Same goes for tribes of people within nations. If people are offended by me liking one thing better than another (and maybe putting my voice to that by pronouncing it better) well that is just too damn bad, they have to get over it, because I am a free man(nominally). They get to like what they like, and I get to like what I like.
 

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Merriam-Webster's definition of Nationalism appears to be quite reasonable to me!

In fact; I personally already identify with most of this stuff__Am I missing something?

Nationalism | Nationalism Definition by Merriam-Webster
Simple Definition of nationalism
: a feeling that people have of being loyal to and proud of their country often with the belief that it is better and more important than other countries
: a desire by a large group of people (such as people who share the same culture, history, language, etc.) to form a separate and independent nation of their own

Full Definition of nationalism
: loyalty and devotion to a nation;
: especially a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups

You're right, in fact I think there is something wrong with people who don't have a sense of nationalism.

Being overly critical of the U.S. is very in fashion right now. We see a sense of anti-nationalism on this forum, by people who benefit from living here, but spend all their time saying how bad traditional values are, while never realizing how those traditional values created the prosperity that they benefit from.
 

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It depends on how far you take it. The "my country, right or wrong" attitude can be dangerous.
 

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You're right, in fact I think there is something wrong with people who don't have a sense of nationalism.

Being overly critical of the U.S. is very in fashion right now. We see a sense of anti-nationalism on this forum, by people who benefit from living here, but spend all their time saying how bad traditional values are, while never realizing how those traditional values created the prosperity that they benefit from.

What "traditional values," specifically?
 

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Globalist scum like to resort to bringing Hitler or some other genocidal mass murderer to somehow paint nationalism is a bad light.

Ever think it is nationalism that gets painted in a bad light specifically because I can reference Hitler or some other genocidal mass murderer as an example.

You want to call me a scum, stop doing it in such passive and ***** manner.
 

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What "traditional values," specifically?

Protecting

-Families
- Communities
- Children

Respecting

-Law enforcement
-Our military
-law and order

Appreciation for

-Work ethic
-Self sacrifice
-Self reliance
-Self responsibility

And here's one that will probably give you a hernia-

-Acknowledging the importance of Christianity in helping to shape, build, mold our nation. Not to say that anyone in America's history was a perfect Christian, that's impossible anyway. But Christianity was our last and best defense against harmful forces that work to destroy a nation.
 

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Oh, this should be fun.

Protecting

-Families
- Communities
- Children

Please tell us, in your own words, who is advocating NOT protecting "families, communities and children."

Respecting

-Law enforcement
-Our military
-law and order

"Respect" for these institutions/concepts does not mean giving them carte blanche to abuse the trust placed in them by the American people.

Appreciation for

-Work ethic
-Self sacrifice
-Self reliance
-Self responsibility

Who here is speaking out against any of these?

And here's one that will probably give you a hernia-

-Acknowledging the importance of Christianity in helping to shape, build, mold our nation. Not to say that anyone in America's history was a perfect Christian, that's impossible anyway. But Christianity was our last and best defense against harmful forces that work to destroy a nation.

I don't give a rat's ass about Christianity.
 

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If one restaurant suits me better than a different restaurant then that restaurant is better according to me. Same goes for countries. Same goes for Religion. Same goes for tribes of people within nations. If people are offended by me liking one thing better than another (and maybe putting my voice to that by pronouncing it better) well that is just too damn bad, they have to get over it, because I am a free man(nominally). They get to like what they like, and I get to like what I like.

Ahh you are talking suits/prefers... I am talking about people thinking they are superior than other humans based on nationality/race/religion.. and said inferior nationalities/races/religions must submit to massive discrimination or be destroyed.
 

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Ever think it is nationalism that gets painted in a bad light specifically because I can reference Hitler or some other genocidal mass murderer as an example.
I could care less why it gets painted in a bad light by globalist scum. I know that globalist scum hate nationalism/patriotism.So I understand why they have to go back in history to find an example of a horrible nationalist.Amazing how when someone brings up that nazis are socialist those same people tend to ignore that fact.They usually spew some nonsense that Hitler was not a real socialist.Which is what they do anytime someone brings up genocidal mass murderers who were either socialism or communists.

You want to call me a scum, stop doing it in such passive and ***** manner.

I merely brought up the fact that globalist/internationalist scum always try to use Hitler or some other scumbag to demonize nationalism.These people scoff at the notion of patriotism/nationalism.
 

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I could care less why it gets painted in a bad light by globalist scum. I know that globalist scum hate nationalism/patriotism.So I understand why they have to go back in history to find an example of a horrible nationalist.Amazing how when someone brings up that nazis are socialist those same people tend to ignore that fact.They usually spew some nonsense that Hitler was not a real socialist.Which is what they do anytime someone brings up genocidal mass murderers who were either socialism or communists.

Socialism/Communism and Nationalism are not mututally exclusive. That's why you keep using globalist and internationalist - those are the antonyms to a nationalist.

I merely brought up the fact that globalist/internationalist scum always try to use Hitler or some other scumbag to demonize nationalism.These people scoff at the notion of patriotism/nationalism.

You still trying to call me scum in some backhanded, ***** fashion. Stop being a coward.
 
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