What does Zionist mean?

[thinkforyoursel]

Not really.

It's a dirty word if you listen to islamic propaganda from those countries. Outside of those countries, not all that much a dirty word as... another word.

Again. if you must pick a preference in the ME, a pet country if you, Israel is by far the best choice. It's democracy. It's got more freedom of the press and liberty and equality between the sexes. It also has tolerance of homosexuals and other things that are to like about Israel.

Should you be a zionist? no. If Israel does a bad thing, call it out on it even if it is your pet country. Or rather, even more so. Being blindly defensive of Israel and blindly supportive is what makes a zionist a cretin. Don't be a zionist.

I'm not sure why you would use picking a country in the ME as a talking point.

Israel is essentially America's puppy ...it's created and sustained by America so yes ...it would be the place in the ME most similar to the US.
Many would disagree ....but if America one day tell Israel .."you're on your own"....they'll wet their pants.

The point is ...I've never heard somebody call someone else a "Zionist" ...and ..means it in a good way.

 

[Rainman05]

I'm not sure why you would use picking a country in the ME as a talking point.

Israel is essentially America's puppy ...it's created and sustained by America so yes ...it would be the place in the ME most similar to the US.
Many would disagree ....but if America one day tell Israel .."you're on your own"....they'll wet their pants.

The point is ...I've never heard somebody call someone else a "Zionist" ...and ..means it in a good way.

I use the term "picking a country in the ME" because I encourage people to stay clear of that pisshole of a region. The ME region is the worlds' scrotum.
Don't get involved. Why would you want to be involved with the worlds' scrotum? Not your problem unless you plan to move to the ME anytime soon.

 

[Gardener]

But today Zionism is looked at as evil by most

Not only most, but ALL antisemtes.

 

[Gardener]

Is DP the target of some new anti-Jew outreach initiative?

the things post wherever they are made welcome.

 

[The Man]

Isn't Zionist some **** from The Matrix?

 

[Risky Thicket]

and neither is Israel. Israel was established for the Jewish people as an ethnicity, not Judaism as a religion.

Racists certainly hate the establishment of Israel, that is certain.


You wish a 500 page treatise on the subject? There are so many differences it would take such to describe them all. You are already striking me as a person with an agenda rather than one asking innocent questions.

Bingo! That is the first thing I thought when I saw the thread title and jetski's name.

 

[X Factor]

To be a zionist means to be unconditionally supportive of the state of Israel.

Unless you're israeli, or have plans to live in Israel in the future, being a zionist is a sign of idiocy. Devotion and support to something that you are not invested in means that you willingly blindfold yourself. It also means you are willing to polarize yourself and those around you according to this issue.

I'm not saying that one shouldn't support Israel. But he shouldn't be a fanatic about it, a zionist. II generally suggest staying away from the ME. It's generally a ****hole.
But if you absolutely MUST pick a preference, it seems to me that by comparison with the nations around it, Israel is the most suitable nation to support. But don't commit to it. When Israel does something bad, call it out on it. Don't give it a pass because it's Israel. That's what zionists do and as I said, outside of people who are directly invested in Israel, being a zionist is a sign of retardation.

It's clear you don't have the first clue what you're talking about.

 

[Risky Thicket]

Is DP the target of some new anti-Jew outreach initiative?

I'm with you, brother. There seems to be more bigotry than usual on DP and primarily by a number of newbs. The **** gets old.

 

[wbcoleman]

Zionism is the National Liberation Movement of the Jewish People.

 

[jetski]

It's probably more akin to the USA or Australia, except.... the Jews have lived in Israel Continuously, If much of the time in small number, for 3300 Years.
Jews were the largest constituent of the population in Jerusalem since app 1840.
In the 17th Century Jews had reached 25% of the population before ejection and massacre.

And I believe 'the Japanese' overwhelmed the Ainu people to get Japan.
(not my area though)

doesnt really have much to do with european jews...

You post no definition, no history, Nada; Just bigoted and ridiculous innuendo.
Make a case for at least some of your garbage.

Good point. Anti zionists need a working definition other than "the jews or the jews we dont like"

It's probably more akin to the USA or Australia, except.... the Jews have lived in Israel Continuously, If much of the time in small number, for 3300 Years.
Jews were the largest constituent of the population in Jerusalem since app 1840.
In the 17th Century Jews had reached 25% of the population before ejection and massacre.

And I believe 'the Japanese' overwhelmed the Ainu people to get Japan.
(not my area though)

happened a long time ago. slavery was also going on at the time. doesnt make it cool today though. the biggest justification i can see for israel, is that it already exists. im not too sure it would be allowed to happen again though.

its colonialism really, isnt it.

But the question is...
IS that regard ACCURATE.
Your last post was even More Ridiculous with specific absurd allegations: 'slavery', 'slaugher of millions', etc.
Repeating False rumors is Inane/Obtuse/meaningLess.
Your job is to show what is true, not what you heard.
Can't you even document A Single one of your Goofy Slanders?
You posted Empty Crap, conspicuously Avoiding the demand for proof of Any of it.
Again, this is DEBATEpolitics, not an al-jazeera poll in Zionism.
"end of story"

if you want to talk facts. al jazeera >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> american mainstream news networks.

jus sayin.

Why am I getting Stormfront images here?

because you have a mac?

whats stormfront?

Not really.

It's a dirty word if you listen to islamic propaganda from those countries. Outside of those countries, not all that much a dirty word as... another word.

Again. if you must pick a preference in the ME, a pet country if you, Israel is by far the best choice. It's democracy. It's got more freedom of the press and liberty and equality between the sexes. It also has tolerance of homosexuals and other things that are to like about Israel.

Should you be a zionist? no. If Israel does a bad thing, call it out on it even if it is your pet country. Or rather, even more so. Being blindly defensive of Israel and blindly supportive is what makes a zionist a cretin. Don't be a zionist.

i dont know about all that. second class citizens and ultra orthadox attacking women for sitting on the front of the bus...

Is DP the target of some new anti-Jew outreach initiative?

you seem to be under the illusion that asking what zionism means to people, equals anti jew...

welcome to the world wide web. not everyone is a borderline delusion israel appologist.

considering israel is one of the most hated nations on earth, i would hardly be shocked to find not everyone shares american presidents affiliation to another nation that has nothing to do with him.

Bingo! That is the first thing I thought when I saw the thread title and jetski's name.

well thats called bigotry, so keep it in your head son.

Bingo! That is the first thing I thought when I saw the thread title and jetski's name.

well thats called bigotry, so keep it in your head son.

I'm with you, brother. There seems to be more bigotry than usual on DP and primarily by a number of newbs. The **** gets old.

yes, new to being a nobody on a nobody website, equals new to politics.

 

[ThePlayDrive]

I hear a lot of people use this word, but they all seem to mean different things.

Even the definitions in wikipedia seem myriad.

What does Zionist mean?

It's just a term used to describe members of movements to establish and maintain a Jewish homeland.

 

[Rainman05]

It's clear you don't have the first clue what you're talking about.

Ok. You tell me how blind support for a country is ever a good thing?
Even blind support for your own country is a bad thing because people can manipulate your emotions into making you think that what they do is "patriotic" or in any way good for the country, when in fact, it may not be. And you should know better.

How is zionism any different than that? I mean I get it, if you were israeli (so not jew, but israeli, living in Israel) you could make a case for justifying zionism in your case. Because the alternative is worse off for you so being blind to the faults of your own country in order to cultivate a sense of nationalism to get you through the day is a desirable course of action. Not a recommended one, but you can justify why you did it.

As not an israeli, as most people on the forum, why do you cultivate an appreciation for a country you're not invested in personally? You artificially manufacture an investment, mostly emotional, into some random country. When I say country, I do not mean the population of that country. I mean the government and its policies. Why would you do that to yourself? It seems like mental trauma to me.

But if you must instill mental trauma on yourself, I suppose you made the most logical choice for a middle eastern country. Israel is the best country in the ME to develop a fondness for because unlike it's neighbors, it has some + points in the equality & tolerance department mainly. But to go as far as becoming a zionist, again, not what a smart person would do.

 

[wbcoleman]

Ok. You tell me how blind support for a country is ever a good thing?
Even blind support for your own country is a bad thing because people can manipulate your emotions into making you think that what they do is "patriotic" or in any way good for the country, when in fact, it may not be. And you should know better.

How is zionism any different than that? I mean I get it, if you were israeli (so not jew, but israeli, living in Israel) you could make a case for justifying zionism in your case. Because the alternative is worse off for you so being blind to the faults of your own country in order to cultivate a sense of nationalism to get you through the day is a desirable course of action. Not a recommended one, but you can justify why you did it.

As not an israeli, as most people on the forum, why do you cultivate an appreciation for a country you're not invested in personally? You artificially manufacture an investment, mostly emotional, into some random country. When I say country, I do not mean the population of that country. I mean the government and its policies. Why would you do that to yourself? It seems like mental trauma to me.

But if you must instill mental trauma on yourself, I suppose you made the most logical choice for a middle eastern country. Israel is the best country in the ME to develop a fondness for because unlike it's neighbors, it has some + points in the equality & tolerance department mainly. But to go as far as becoming a zionist, again, not what a smart person would do.

What makes you think that Zionism requires "blind support" of Israel?

 

[TheDemSocialist]

What makes you think that Zionism requires "blind support" of Israel?

Uhh the whole country of Israel as a whole, would be an exampe...

 

[Dr. Chuckles]

surely neither are religious based though.

and frankly, they both sound a bit racialist.

how is zionist different to islamist?

actually the political Zionism that eventually established the state of israel was clearly secular. And can be traced back to the dissatisfaction experienced by the assimilated Jews of the late 1800's early 1900"s. With the largely cited instigating event being the dreyfus affair in france and the eastern european programs. To the zionists, at this point it became clear that no matter what they did, and no matter how much they tried to be european, they would always be seen as the "other" and could only guarantee their safety by establishing themselves as a political majority.

Religious jews were largely against the establishment of Israel until ww2

 

[Dr. Chuckles]

Uhh the whole country of Israel as a whole, would be an exampe...

many Zionists are critical of Israeli policy. I'm a zionist and extremely critical of settler policy

 

[TheDemSocialist]

many Zionists are critical of Israeli policy. I'm a zionist and extremely critical of settler policy

The several Zionists i know (one of whom im dating) what moper settlements and what there to be one state, "Israel".

 

[Dr. Chuckles]

The several Zionists i know (one of whom im dating) what moper settlements and what there to be one state, "Israel".

And?

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[TheDemSocialist]

And?

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They seem to have a very different opinion than you... Just stating..

 

[Dr. Chuckles]

They seem to have a very different opinion than you... Just stating..

right. But being that I never asserted all zionists think like me and was responding to your claim that zionism requires blind support for Israeli state policy, I'll ask again: And?

 

[TheDemSocialist]

right. But being that I never asserted all zionists think like me and was responding to your claim that zionism requires blind support for Israeli state policy, I'll ask again: And?

In my experience it comes to blind support of Israeli land policy.

 

[Dr. Chuckles]

In my experience it comes to blind support of Israeli land policy.

Yet there are all manner of Israeli groups, individuals, and organizations that support the existence of the Jewish state, yet are extremely critical of said policy ...

 

[DDD]

Zionism for me is a great example of justice served 2000 years later that could only be accomplished with continuous deterministic effort and good ties. A truly great example really! Something to be modeled with.

As for the side effects of how Israel is handling the minorities and refugees, well that is another story. Not related to Zionism IMO.

 

[Republic Now!]

You wish a 500 page treatise on the subject? There are so many differences it would take such to describe them all. You are already striking me as a person with an agenda rather than one asking innocent questions.

I think the most obvious difference between the two is that Islamists follow a specific political ideology while Zionism is merely the support of an independent Jewish state.

And yes, race is involved, mainly because of this little event that occurred in Germany that, for some reason, makes a few Jews feel like continuing to be a continuous cultural minority in Europe would be a bad idea.

 

[Rainman05]

What makes you think that Zionism requires "blind support" of Israel?

Doesn't it?

To my knowledge, to be a zionist means to give full, unconditional support to the state of Israel. That is also known as blind support.

Again. Supporting Israel is ok if you must pick a nation from the ME to favor. But blind support is damaging in each and every case. And being such a person in the case of israel makes you a zionist.