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As the bill currently makes its way trough committee, there are 4 scenarios that could happen to this bill. Starting from the left extreme, to the status quo.
1. Universal Health Care
This is Obama's home run folks. Also, the worst of the worst from a conservative standpoint. The government hires, pays, and fires doctors and all medical professionals, to the exclusion of any private investment or competing businesses.
2. National Health Insurance
Probably the very most the democrat leadership can accomplish realistically. With or without the republicans. Even then it would be watered-down with politi-speak that would favor health insurance companies(or, at least just the big-corrupt companies).
3. General Health Reform
No more than your general bill that passes through congress to do...something...In the end, nothing to worry about, just your average waste of money.
4. Dies
Waterloo. No further explanation needed.
I'd rather have nothing than 1-3.
Thus far government health insurance is an indefensible position to hold.
All of their "facts" are loaded with half truths and lies.
What lies and half truths? We need reform in a big way......
The problem is, the reform we need is something they're unwilling to do. They want to slap a big, expensive bandage over the problem and try to ignore it, rather than actually addressing it head on.
until the government is willing to actually fix health care on a fundamental level, they're just wasting time and money.
In a perfect world I'd want one or two, with access to healtcare being like access to police or fire protection. I have zero faith in our government to carry out such sweeping reform, however, even if it were politically possible to pass a bill strong enough to carry out this reform. I'm assuming I'll be generally opposed to whatever gets passed in the end
What lies and half truths? We need reform in a big way......
Government health care is more efficient (Lie), Government health care is cheaper (half truth), Health care is a right (half truth), there are others but that is a start.
As the bill currently makes its way trough committee, there are 4 scenarios that could happen to this bill. Starting from the left extreme, to the status quo.
1. Universal Health Care
This is Obama's home run folks. Also, the worst of the worst from a conservative standpoint. The government hires, pays, and fires doctors and all medical professionals, to the exclusion of any private investment or competing businesses.
2. National Health Insurance
Probably the very most the democrat leadership can accomplish realistically. With or without the republicans. Even then it would be watered-down with politi-speak that would favor health insurance companies(or, at least just the big-corrupt companies).
3. General Health Reform
No more than your general bill that passes through congress to do...something...In the end, nothing to worry about, just your average waste of money.
4. Dies
Waterloo. No further explanation needed.
i believe access to decent healthcare is a right, whatever your economic status. and as for efficiency and cost, who says we can't do it right? part of the reason gov't health programs are rife with fraud is because of the hospitals as well as the doctors.
who is "they"? it seems to me at least obama is willing to take this on, depsite the blue dog dems and the republicans. if people were HONEST, most would acknowledge we need reform, as you did. instead, what we have is more fear mongering and outright lies (euthanasia?) being thrown around.
we will never get anywhere unless we actually start the car.
who is "they"? it seems to me at least obama is willing to take this on, depsite the blue dog dems and the republicans. if people were HONEST, most would acknowledge we need reform, as you did. instead, what we have is more fear mongering and outright lies (euthanasia?) being thrown around.
we will never get anywhere unless we actually start the car.
The goal being reducing healthcare costs:
The reform I would like to see is less regulation on hospitals. I work as a laboratory technologist at a regional medical complex, and my lab alone is over regulated. We are subjected to numerous inspections and most are looking for the same thing. One inspection would do the same as several. This would not only save hospitals more money directly, it would cut their cost in other areas as well. The companies that make the supplies we use are subjected to too much regulation also. Reduce that regulation and pass the savings onto the hospitals, who in turn pass it on to patients.
Even simple streamlining of things could help. The parts of inspections that are looking for something different then the others can be integrated into one simple inspection.
not within my knowledge base, but you could be right. however, regulations evolve for a reason, and we all know labs have made tremendous mistakes in the past.
Next, I would reduce the tax burden on hospitals and health insurers, both state and federal. If legislators are really serious about reducing health costs, and if they believe healthcare is a right, then reduce the tax burden on hospitals or even eliminate it like it is on foods.
sorry, for profit hospitals are nothing more than businesses. insurance companies are for profit entities as well, as quite profitable ones at that. why should their taxes be reduced? so ceo's and stockholders can be further enriched? grocery stores are taxed on their sales, this is not a valid argument.
Next, I would reduce the bureaucracy involved in government. This would would go along with tax reduction. Save money by streamlining the government and healthcare taxes could be reduced, possibly eliminated.
You say this as if government is the only answer. How about individuals reforming their own healthcare and taking responsibility for themselves?
It is not alright to take something from someone who works hard and is ambitious in order to give it to someone who has made poor choices in their lives and is lazy.
If someone decides to not care about their own healthcare enough to do something about it themselves, then why should I care?
Health care is a negative right and not a positive right. Meaning that it is yours as long as you can get it.
We won't do it right. There are politicians involved each with their own agenda and ideology what is right and not right. Some fallaciously believe that anyone can have all the health care they want and it will have no negative effects on access. That line of thinking is completely wrong, health care like a great many other things, is a scarce resource and must be priced accordingly.
Most of the people who support any UHC style system have not the slightest understanding of basic economics to make those decisions.
Tell me. What is it that government run healthcare will fix other than more people getting healthcare? What exactly is Obama "taking on"? Corrupt insurance companies? Do you honestly believe the government wont be just as corrupt? Just look at Illinois for an example.who is "they"? it seems to me at least obama is willing to take this on, depsite the blue dog dems and the republicans. if people were HONEST, most would acknowledge we need reform, as you did. instead, what we have is more fear mongering and outright lies (euthanasia?) being thrown around.
we will never get anywhere unless we actually start the car.
What constitutes "reform"?What lies and half truths? We need reform in a big way......
You must be strongly against ACORN, I would hope. Oh, and btw, this country exists because of one big riot, and slavery has ended because of another "riot". Civil rights were giving to women and African Americans because of protests. To say protesting will get this country nowhere is...well...not exactly taking into account the past.However, rioting is going to get this country nowhere.
if a private insurer interacts with a hosiptial/patient/doctor, what gov't involvement is there?
Why do many people jump to this? One of the ever-popular lame talking points is "we need to take care of ourselves." If history has taught us anything, its that we cannot take too many things into our own hands. I mean sure I would love to have people who mind their health enough to be "relatively fit" but people won't listen to that, especially in the U.S.
This whole country is built on the concept of impatience. Who's to say that part of the structure doesn't include laziness as well? Come on, its America, the land of the free and the home of the lazy and impatient.
Right, so ... the industry should seek out those who work hard and care about themselves enough and give healthcare to them only? That's hilarious.
As the bill currently makes its way trough committee, there are 4 scenarios that could happen to this bill. Starting from the left extreme, to the status quo.
1. Universal Health Care
This is Obama's home run folks. Also, the worst of the worst from a conservative standpoint. The government hires, pays, and fires doctors and all medical professionals, to the exclusion of any private investment or competing businesses.
2. National Health Insurance
Probably the very most the democrat leadership can accomplish realistically. With or without the republicans. Even then it would be watered-down with politi-speak that would favor health insurance companies(or, at least just the big-corrupt companies).
3. General Health Reform
No more than your general bill that passes through congress to do...something...In the end, nothing to worry about, just your average waste of money.
4. Dies
Waterloo. No further explanation needed.
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