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What do you think would happen if we caught Bin Laden tomorrow? (1 Viewer)

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Something I'm curious to hear thoughts on - What do you think would happen if we got him tomorrow? Would people feel more confident in Bush/the war? How would it affect approval ratings/election 06? How would it be different if he were caught in Pakistan, afghanistan, or even Iraq? By us or by foreign troops? Alive or dead?
 
I believe he will be found, dead or alive I can't tell you. It would be Ideal to catch him alive in Afganistan. It's not likely he'll be found in Iraq, if he did turn up dead in Iraq I would seriously question if there really is a secret conspiricy lol. Hopefully he's not making his way to Iran, he'd have to travel through there to get to Iraq, and why would he go to Iraq when he could stay in Iran? I do think if he's caught before the end of the Bush term, it will have a positive effect on Bush's approval polls, possibly gaining 30% or so.
 
Terrorism will not stop. Catching and killing terrorists doesn't stop terrorism. It only gives them more of a reason to fight. We need more specialized forces to take them down.
 
Sir_Alec said:
Terrorism will not stop. Catching and killing terrorists doesn't stop terrorism. It only gives them more of a reason to fight. We need more specialized forces to take them down.
Ahh, that makes sense. :confused:
 
Well, considering that Bush and this administration has never really spent any time looking for Bin Laden, I think it would be pure luck if he happened to fall into our hands.

We would have had a much better chance capturing Bin Laden if Bush and his cronies hadn't taken their eye off him and decided to use 9/11 as an opportunity to advance the decade old Rumsfield/Cheney Iraq agenda.

Bush himself has said that he doesn't spend much time thinking about Bin Laden.

Q Mr. President, in your speeches now you rarely talk or mention Osama bin Laden. Why is that? Also, can you tell the American people if you have any more information, if you know if he is dead or alive? Final part -- deep in your heart, don't you truly believe that until you find out if he is dead or alive, you won't really eliminate the threat of --

THE PRESIDENT: Deep in my heart I know the man is on the run, if he's alive at all. Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not; we haven't heard from him in a long time. And the idea of focusing on one person is -- really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission.

Terror is bigger than one person. And he's just -- he's a person who's now been marginalized. His network, his host government has been destroyed. He's the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match. He is -- as I mentioned in my speech, I do mention the fact that this is a fellow who is willing to commit youngsters to their death and he, himself, tries to hide -- if, in fact, he's hiding at all.

So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. I'm more worried about making sure that our soldiers are well-supplied; that the strategy is clear; that the coalition is strong; that when we find enemy bunched up like we did in Shahikot Mountains, that the military has all the support it needs to go in and do the job, which they did.

And there will be other battles in Afghanistan. There's going to be other struggles like Shahikot, and I'm just as confident about the outcome of those future battles as I was about Shahikot, where our soldiers are performing brilliantly. We're tough, we're strong, they're well-equipped. We have a good strategy. We are showing the world we know how to fight a guerrilla war with conventional means.

Q But don't you believe that the threat that bin Laden posed won't truly be eliminated until he is found either dead or alive?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, as I say, we haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don't know where he is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him, when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban.
 
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Symbolism - High

Real change - low
 
cnredd said:
Symbolism - High

Real change - low
Exactly cnredd, if you and I realize this Bush knows as well, which makes the fith post in this thread so ridiculous.
 
disneydude said:
Well, considering that Bush and this administration has never really spent any time looking for Bin Laden, I think it would be pure luck if he happened to fall into our hands.

We would have had a much better chance capturing Bin Laden if Bush and his cronies hadn't taken their eye off him and decided to use 9/11 as an opportunity to advance the decade old Rumsfield/Cheney Iraq agenda.

Bush himself has said that he doesn't spend much time thinking about Bin Laden.

Q Mr. President, in your speeches now you rarely talk or mention Osama bin Laden. Why is that? Also, can you tell the American people if you have any more information, if you know if he is dead or alive? Final part -- deep in your heart, don't you truly believe that until you find out if he is dead or alive, you won't really eliminate the threat of --

THE PRESIDENT: Deep in my heart I know the man is on the run, if he's alive at all. Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not; we haven't heard from him in a long time. And the idea of focusing on one person is -- really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission.

Terror is bigger than one person. And he's just -- he's a person who's now been marginalized. His network, his host government has been destroyed. He's the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match. He is -- as I mentioned in my speech, I do mention the fact that this is a fellow who is willing to commit youngsters to their death and he, himself, tries to hide -- if, in fact, he's hiding at all.

So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. I'm more worried about making sure that our soldiers are well-supplied; that the strategy is clear; that the coalition is strong; that when we find enemy bunched up like we did in Shahikot Mountains, that the military has all the support it needs to go in and do the job, which they did.

And there will be other battles in Afghanistan. There's going to be other struggles like Shahikot, and I'm just as confident about the outcome of those future battles as I was about Shahikot, where our soldiers are performing brilliantly. We're tough, we're strong, they're well-equipped. We have a good strategy. We are showing the world we know how to fight a guerrilla war with conventional means.

Q But don't you believe that the threat that bin Laden posed won't truly be eliminated until he is found either dead or alive?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, as I say, we haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don't know where he is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him, when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban.


I've got to say, I give you a lot of credit for including the full context of that quote. I can't tell you the number of times I've had someone throw "I truly am not that concerned about him." at me as if if is proof positive that bush is in cahoots with him.

But looking at the quote in context, I'm confused that you still think this shows that Bush has given up on him. I read that and see that he's making the point that everything doesnt simply hinge on Bin Laden, but rather that its a real struggle. Catching him would be great, but he's not the reason that people are blowing themselves up. He's helping to finance/organize it, but hes not the only one who is willing to do so. So in that context, i think bush is right.
 
teacher said:
How does one catch a dead man?
Wait for him to crash off of a bridge and kill a young woman?...

Wait for him to scream into a microphone?...

Catch him when he shows up for work with a censure bill?...
 
If we captured him alive.... higher persidential ratings, a showcase trial, and the war with al-Qa'ida continues.

If we killed him... higher persidential ratings, a wooden coffin, and the war with al-Qa'ida continues.
 
To be perfectly frank, it wouldn't change a damn thing as far as my opinion of the president. I would probably react with a "So he didn't fail at something, bravo."
You really just don't like the President do you?
 
If UBL died tomorrow, we would have to create another Great Satan in the world to justify our obscene defense budget.
 
RightatNYU said:
Something I'm curious to hear thoughts on - What do you think would happen if we got him tomorrow?

conservatives would be sneering "told you we'd catch 'im", while liberals would be sneering "what took so long?"
 
Originally posted by star2589
conservatives would be sneering "told you we'd catch 'im", while liberals would be sneering "what took so long?"
That is probably true.
 
Tashah said:
If we captured him alive.... higher persidential ratings, a showcase trial, and the war with al-Qa'ida continues.

If we killed him... higher persidential ratings, a wooden coffin, and the war with al-Qa'ida continues.


I agree. Not much except perhaps some protests and maybe an increase in fundamentalist bombinbs.

The president probably already has him in the backyard eating cheetos waiting for his polls to drop down to the teens then whip him out just before elections.
You watch.
 
galenrox said:
I actually like him more now than I did earlier. I like some of his ideas on immigration, and I like his courage to stand up to the republican congress. Other than that, I still think he's quite possibly as bad at governing as Nixon.
The only thing that brought Nixon down was the Watergate scandal, besides that, he did fairly well compared to most presidents.
 
If OBL were caught it'd be around october or septemer Repubs would win overwhelmingly in congress on thier fear tactic election campaigns. Bush gets to do what he wants and congress will pass it all. Maybe even a 3rd term?
 
jfuh said:
If OBL were caught it'd be around october or septemer Repubs would win overwhelmingly in congress on thier fear tactic election campaigns. Bush gets to do what he wants and congress will pass it all. Maybe even a 3rd term?
Let's check out a conpiracy webite post from three years ago and see if they said the same thing...

Author: Osama Bin Laden...
Russian

alarm.gif posted on 14-12-2003 at 11:44 PM - printer friendly

Osama Bin Laden...

I perdict that Osama yo mama will be cought BEFORE November (2004)election...

I perdict this cause ALL US poloticains use this tactic to win support...

they do something good before the election and with that in people head people go and vote for them...

also this is my first perdiction thread here...

so please be easy on me...

This is from the website, bandagainstbush.com from March, 2004...same thing...

ok, i don't know if anyone posted this, or if anyone heard this somewhere else, but i'll say it anyways... in my opinion it's too much hassle to find bin laden unless to organize a treaty with him, but also, another aspect i beleive is that bush is hiding bin laden, till about a week before the elections, then he says he caught him, and the people think, 'hey he caught sadam and laden let's re-elect him' forgeting about all the bad crap he's done to doom the nation.
yoshi has spoken

It's a pretty good tactic...

If he gets caught, you can jump up and down like you predicted it...

If he doesn't get caught, it's not a big enough deal to go around and tell everybody how wrong you were...

Predictions without being called on it...We must have John Edwards in our midst...:roll:
 
What do you think would happen if we caught Bin Laden tomorrow?

Two rounds to the face
Cremate his body
Dump his ashes at any local PIG FARM
 
cnredd said:
Let's check out a conpiracy webite post from three years ago and see if they said the same thing...



This is from the website, bandagainstbush.com from March, 2004...same thing...



It's a pretty good tactic...

If he gets caught, you can jump up and down like you predicted it...

If he doesn't get caught, it's not a big enough deal to go around and tell everybody how wrong you were...

Predictions without being called on it...We must have John Edwards in our midst...:roll:
Yes this would indeed be a good "tactic" to use. Just the way that OBL spoke right before the november '04 election telling that Bush was bad most likely pushed margins in Bush's favor.

Now if the topic of the thread were something else I guess your rational would be justifiable. However the question of the thread was what if we caught OBL, so what's the point of your response? Seems kinda off topic. tisk tisk, and a mod member at that.
 
jfuh said:
Yes this would indeed be a good "tactic" to use. Just the way that OBL spoke right before the november '04 election telling that Bush was bad most likely pushed margins in Bush's favor.

Now if the topic of the thread were something else I guess your rational would be justifiable. However the question of the thread was what if we caught OBL, so what's the point of your response? Seems kinda off topic. tisk tisk, and a mod member at that.
The point of my response?...Off topic?...

Let's look again...

Here's the topic...

What do you think would happen if we caught Bin Laden tomorrow?

Now Let's look how you responded...

If OBL were caught it'd be around october or septemer Repubs would win overwhelmingly in congress on thier fear tactic election campaigns. Bush gets to do what he wants and congress will pass it all. Maybe even a 3rd term?

Nobody said anything about WHEN he would be caught did they?...No they didn't...

That tells me that YOU are the one who took this off topic...My response was to you...not the topic, so I was consistant...

Your response was to the topic, which was false because you didn't respond to the question correctly...

If you look back, you'll see that I actually answered the question previously...and unlike here, correctly I might add...

We have a section called "Tips for debate" if you would like to read it...There are many other websites with directions for debate beginners...

Please don't go around telling everyone what their problem is...you soon find out it just might be yourself..shrug:
 
cnredd said:
The point of my response?...Off topic?...

Let's look again...

Here's the topic...

What do you think would happen if we caught Bin Laden tomorrow?

Now Let's look how you responded...

If OBL were caught it'd be around october or septemer Repubs would win overwhelmingly in congress on thier fear tactic election campaigns. Bush gets to do what he wants and congress will pass it all. Maybe even a 3rd term?

Nobody said anything about WHEN he would be caught did they?...No they didn't...

That tells me that YOU are the one who took this off topic...My response was to you...not the topic, so I was consistant...

Your response was to the topic, which was false because you didn't respond to the question correctly...

If you look back, you'll see that I actually answered the question previously...and unlike here, correctly I might add...

We have a section called "Tips for debate" if you would like to read it...There are many other websites with directions for debate beginners...

Please don't go around telling everyone what their problem is...you soon find out it just might be yourself..shrug:
I'm quite familiar with the rules section and tips section thank you. Perhaps you should familiarize more with rule 6, the higher standard portion about a mod?
In anycase you're response to me still is off topic because in my premise being that I stated when, then you need to follow by that same premise as well. You can not argue against the reality of a september or october capture resulting in a republican majority because that would be what would happen.
Being also that the question is highly hypothetical, I can throw in any variable I want into my argument, and it would no less invalidate my argument as long as the argument itself is logical and rational.
 
jfuh said:
Yes this would indeed be a good "tactic" to use. Just the way that OBL spoke right before the november '04 election telling that Bush was bad most likely pushed margins in Bush's favor.

Now if the topic of the thread were something else I guess your rational would be justifiable. However the question of the thread was what if we caught OBL, so what's the point of your response? Seems kinda off topic. tisk tisk, and a mod member at that.

Just to be clear, so I don't mischaracterize you:

Are you making the claim that the release of that osama video was in any way shape or form orchestrated?

Or that there is any sort of contact/planning between bush/his administration and osama?
 

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