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What do you think of this proposed environmental legislation?

Should we ratify the Environmental and National Health Act?

  • Yes, the benefits to both the country and the Earth are numerous

    Votes: 1 14.3%
  • No, I don't agree with an increased tax on gas

    Votes: 6 85.7%

  • Total voters
    7
Where do you live? I live in Upstate New York and almost nothing is in the downtown area. In fact, I rarely go down there unless it is a bar or restaurant that is not in the suburban area. My workplace will never move to the city area. They need a lot more room than they can get in the city. Not everyone wants to live in a city. Especially when the city is so crime ridden.

Not everybody wants to live in a city, but since the average carbon emissions of a city resident are far lower than the emissions of a rural/suburban resident, it is in the best interests of human society to increase the urban population while decreasing suburbs.
 
Not everybody wants to live in a city, but since the average carbon emissions of a city resident are far lower than the emissions of a rural/suburban resident, it is in the best interests of human society to increase the urban population while decreasing suburbs.

Is it in the best interests to force citizens into crime ridden areas that they don't want to live in?
 
Is it in the best interests to force citizens into crime ridden areas that they don't want to live in?

Because the other choice is global ice caps melting, mass extinctions of much of Earth's biodiversity, and flooding along coastal areas causing massive refugee crises, and potential wars over decreasing natural resources, even fresh drinking water
 
No, our land area won't decrease, but most people will no longer be living in suburbs or farms, but will move closer to their jobs so they can take public transit or walk, meaning that urban conglomerates will be more densely populated, and the population will be less spread out.

Gathering the population into concentrated areas makes them easier to monitor and control. Bonus for any budding Maoist!

Never mind that this dense population, in itself, is misery heaped on misery. You seem intent on making people miserable.
 
Because the other choice is global ice caps melting, mass extinctions of much of Earth's biodiversity, and flooding along coastal areas causing massive refugee crises, and potential wars over decreasing natural resources, even fresh drinking water

"People need to be miserable for the Greater Good."

Said every Communist in history. No, really.
 
"People need to be miserable for the Greater Good."

Said every Communist in history. No, really.

The right of the human race to survive trumps your right to own a mansion in the countryside.
 
Why do you hate poor people?

We pay almost 4-times the amount per gallon you guys do... around $8.30 a gallon last time i hotherex to figure it out and that was years ago. Poor people are not worse off here... in fact they are probably better off.
 
This is my proposed "Environmental and National Health Act."

The government needs to tax the sale of gasoline until the price reaches the same price as it is in Hong Kong, around $7.12 a gallon.

Gasoline Prices by Country

This will have many positive effects on society:

1. First off, this will reduce the amount of driving in this country. People will look for other means of transportation, such as public transit, carpooling, or biking/walking. Also, may Americans will reduce frivolous trips, such as driving down to the local movie theater or ice cream shop, or simply joyriding. All of this means far less carbon emissions from driving.

This drastic reduction in carbon emissions will help stem the tide of global warming, one of the greatest threats humanity has ever faced:
Impact of Global Warming on Future Human Life

It would also greatly improve air quality caused by smog and traffic, leading to less cases of asthma or premature death.

2. This will also encourage the development of better, more far reaching, and more well-used public transit systems. In most states, the public transit system is terrible, since car ownership is the norm. Busses run late, light rail only covers a quarter of the city, stops are few and far between, etc. If car ownership were discouraged by $7.00 gas, the public transit system would have to improve in quality and effectiveness, putting us on par with most other countries in the world.

3. This tax on gasoline will help reduce urban sprawl. Urban sprawl is when suburbs spread out for miles on end, hours away from the downtown city they are centered on. Most people who live in these suburbs drive to work, and do not use public transit at all. By raising gas to $7.00 a gallon, we would halt the expansion of miles and miles of cookie cutter houses into what used to be thriving forest and natural beauty

4. The end of the suburbs will lead to decreased racism and bigotry, while increasing tolerance of others. Most racist whites today live either in the countryside or in suburbia, while the people of color they despite live in more urban areas. By making driving prohibitively expensive, these rich sheltered white communities would have to move closer to where they work, and live alongside communities of color. This would get these racist whites out of their little bubble, and force them to interact with people of other races and faiths, thereby encouraging racial tolerance in this country.

5. Let's not forget that the government would make tons of money with a heavy tax on gasoline. This, in combination with the cutting of our bloated military budget, would give the people of the USA enough money to finally implement single payer healthcare, improve public education, make higher education free, and create so many more opportunities for the citizens of this country.

Of course, the opposition from the oil companies would be ferocious. Some oil workers in places like Texas and Alaska would lose their jobs. There would be a brief period of time, after the tax is implemented, but before public transportation is expanded, where it might be hard for some people to commute to work.

But in the long run, the results of $7.12 a gallon gas would be nothing but beneficial. Decreased carbon emissions, increased air quality, a much improved public transportation system, an end to the suburban sprawl which causes de facto segregation of racial communities and contributes to the systemic racism in this country. We will not only save our society, we will save the human race as well.

Not surprising your in favor of more taxes . :roll:
 
The right of the human race to survive trumps your right to own a mansion in the countryside.

What are you doing to stop meteor impacts of life ending space rocks then? We had a near miss a decade or so ago and trust me... nature doesnt care about humans and their made up rights.
 
The right of the human race to survive trumps your right to own a mansion in the countryside.

Which is apparently a reply to someone else entirely, because it has nothing to do with what I said. But Communism isn't exactly an intellectually-honest philosophy.
 
We pay almost 4-times the amount per gallon you guys do... around $8.30 a gallon last time i hotherex to figure it out and that was years ago. Poor people are not worse off here... in fact they are probably better off.

So what? There's no where to drive in New Zealand. :mrgreen:
 
So what? There's no where to drive in New Zealand. :mrgreen:

:lol: with a spitting sound...

You should check it out. Views almost literally everywhere...
 
Because the other choice is global ice caps melting, mass extinctions of much of Earth's biodiversity, and flooding along coastal areas causing massive refugee crises, and potential wars over decreasing natural resources, even fresh drinking water

What do you plan to do with India and China who are two of the highest polluters in the world? Simply putting all Americans into inner cities is not going to solve anything.
 
Increased public transportation, decreased racism, increased revenue for better public education, single payer healthcare.

Seems like very positive effects to me.

How do you expect them to get your Che t-shirts to the store so you can look oh so cool?
 
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