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What do you really think of Trump as President and a Person? (1 Viewer)

Trump is honest, consistent, accountable, fair, wise and holds higher moral standards with integrity

  • Of course, Ghandi, Jesus, and Mother Theresa would be mere discilples at the knee of Trump,

    Votes: 2 3.2%

  • More than most, a man of superior character, principles, and integirty.

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Very average, some are better, others are worse but at least he isn't liberal.

    Votes: 4 6.5%

  • Seriously lacking in most or all qualities associated with human decency and good character.

    Votes: 15 24.2%

  • The worst: angry, insulting, cruel, a pathological hate filled liar craving adoration and fealty.

    Votes: 40 64.5%
  • Total voters
    62
As a President, I'll have an answer at the end of his term in office.
As a person, I have never met him so the answer to the above question is all that matters to me.
 
Individual said:
As a President, I'll have an answer at the end of his term in office.
As a person, I have never met him so the answer to the above question is all that matters to me.
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I never met Stalin but I believe I have the right to judge his moral worth on the basis of very extensive reading over seventy years or so.
We can reasonably judge Trump by his deeds, words and friends.
 
Sweden said:
I never met Stalin but I believe I have the right to judge his moral worth on the basis of very extensive reading over seventy years or so.
We can reasonably judge Trump by his deeds, words and friends.
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Go ahead.
 
who gives a shit? Outcomes matter the rest doesn't
 
The public record documenting Trump’s long, verified, history of bad acts:

The public humiliation and betrayal of three spouses.

The betrayal of his brother and his brother’s children.

Three thousand plus law suits for breach of his contractual obligations.

Civil court findings of massive fraud. Rewards in the hundreds of millions in real and punitive damages.

Criminal conviction of 34 felony counts.

The accusations and one civil court finding of sexual misconduct/assault.

So much more…

Anyone who concludes differently than Trump is anything but an extraordinarily unethical person of horrendous character is an UNDISCERNING individual.

Now, given the truth of the above, what that conclusion would mean about choosing such a person as a leader should be self evident.
 
anatta said:
who gives a shit? Outcomes matter the rest doesn't
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Grand ethics. :rolleyes:

Honest question: would you teach your kids this?

If not consider that by leading with this example for them that’s exactly what you’re doing.
 
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Of the Seven Deadly Sins, Trump easily checks off 6 out of the 7.

AKA a true Christian.
 
anatta said:
who gives a shit? Outcomes matter the rest doesn't
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Maybe Trump needs another metric, because his outcomes have been dog shit so far. Still waiting for DOGE to find the room for those tax cuts for the rich.
 
ModernDiogenes said:
Grand ethics. :rolleyes:

Honest question: would you teach your kids this?

If not consider that by leading with this example for them that’s exactly what you’re doing.
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yes I would. I dont need anything from any politician other then outcomes. that includes speeching, preening, and moral crap.
Like BJ's by Clinton. they simply do not matter
 
Rogue Valley said:
Traitor

www.usatoday.com

How do Trump's extraordinary betrayals stand up against history? He could be the worst.

Putting Trump in context is the best way to highlight and understand his betrayals. History is the highest court, and its verdict can't be appealed.
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The verdict of history is not a constant. The first example that springs to my British mind is Nevile Chamberlain. Reviled as an appeaser for many decades he is now more often seen as the man who bought time to arm against Germany. In hort without Chamberlain thee would not have been the Hurricanes and Spitfires - and their pilots - to fight the Battle of Britain in 1940.
 
maxparrish said:
Garbage in, Garbage out.
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no. DOGE isn't garbage, cutting DOE jobs isn't garbage, etc..Im not happy with tariffs. but that's not garbage -it's just dumb
Outcomes matter -literally nothing else does
 
anatta said:
no. DOGE isn't garbage, cutting DOE jobs isn't garbage, etc..Im not happy with tariffs. but that's not garbage -it's just dumb
Outcomes matter -literally nothing else does
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The end justifies the mean only if you're simple-minded.

In politics and government, lying and then justifying it through the ends vs. means philosophy of behavior is a favorite past time. You may recall that former Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, made a false statement to Congress when he responded to a question about whether the National Security Agency was collecting “any type of data at all” on millions of Americans by saying “No sir, and “not wittingly.” We all know that was a lie borne out of a belief the ends of collecting such data justified whatever means were necessary to get the data regardless if it tramples on our rights under the Fourth Amendment that protect us against unreasonable search and seizure.

The entire financial recession of 2008-2009 can be summed up as a group of investment bankers who sought to become millionaires by trading in subprime mortgages knowing the homeowner might never make the payments but not worrying about it since the bankers sold off those mortgages to third parties who then assumed the risk. This created a problem of moral hazard where the party that creates the achieved the desired end result by manipulating the means.

The reason the means are important, maybe more important than the ends, is how we get to our goal is just as important as getting there. In other words, destiny tells us what we are to the world, but journey tells who we are; it’s the journey that unlocks our potential and establishes who we are as a person and what motivates us towards action.
 
Clinton had the morals of a sewer rat. I thought he did a solid job as president.

Trump is a deeply flawed human being...and so are most people...and his style as president is businessman, not politician. He did a good job in his first term and he is starting well so far in his second term. Imagine the progress we can make if we can prevent the rat party scumbags from trying to derail progress...again.

I care less about the character of the man in the office and more about the results. Its rather comical watching leftists shit themselves over Trumps character while mindlessly voting for people as bad or worse who also then went on to do a completely shit job.

I see people on this site talk about his verbal vomit...and then they spent 10 years painting themselves as worse. So...rage on, leftist...yes. Orange man bad. Take about his tiny hands. Wax on about his penis. Make sure the tRump rhetoric continues. Prove he still has you firmly grasped by the ***** and living rent free in the Trump Towers you have built for him in your heads.
 
its a liberal forum, gee ..... I wonder what the choices people will choose ? LOL
 
anatta said:
yes I would. I dont need anything from any politician other then outcomes. that includes speeching, preening, and moral crap.
Like BJ's by Clinton. they simply do not matter
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Thank you for being the perfect example of sentiments that exhibit the case for the decline of our culture/society.

You make the case admirably.
 
anatta said:
no. DOGE isn't garbage, cutting DOE jobs isn't garbage, etc..Im not happy with tariffs. but that's not garbage -it's just dumb
Outcomes matter -literally nothing else does
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In measuring outcomes, those outcomes include not only policy but also those actions by Trump that contribute to the destruction of our checks and balances, to our institutions of democracy, to the social fabric itself. Any President threatening a war of conquest (eg to take Greenland) or starts a tariff war of economic destruction while constantly babbling that Canada should be a 51st state, abuse of the legal system to go after people he doesn't like, and who turned January 6th into a quasi-insurrectionist event cannot by exculpated because he (or she) unleashes random and pointless DOGE chaos.

Trumps has down nothing but assure that his enemies are now at his level of bitter disregard for civility and respect of the law. Biden's own vast and exploitive use of pardons for friends and associates was rooted in Trump's own pardon precedents, and then some.

His outcomes are far more than 4000-point destruction of people's portfolio security within 60 days of taking office. It's more than the assured cost to US industry in now far more expensive chains of supply. It is more than giving aid and comfort to one of the two strategic adversaries of this country, and his destruction of the international order.

He has made a mockery of the Presidency, and sunk an axe blade deep into the crevice of division in the country. And after he leaves office and democrats return to power in all of congress and the Presidency, we will all reap the whirlwind for his stupidity. (Think 2006 and 2008s consequences).

When any US president threatens military and economic destruction of our own kind internationally, he is what he appears to be, an unwitting fool and useful idiot of our enemies. For that I and millions of others can never forgive him.
 
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