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What do conservatives believe?

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Since John Hawkins Right Wing News was bought out by former Senator Lindsey Chapman recently, I thought I would surf some of the old website and check out some stuff. The following caught my eye.

I am no expert in this field, but I am sure there are a few here on this board that could add there thoughts as to whether they agree or disagree with what conservatives believe in. Not long ago, I started a thread titled, "Left vs Left". So this could be called "Right vs Right" (so to speak). Feel free to comment on some, all or none of the following. Or if you think this is a stupid thread, try to come up with some clever way to say it. The point is, I want to hear what conservatives have to say about conservatives. And if any of the left would like to add their two cents, by all means do so, but be conservative with the way you state it. (Not really. If you want to let them have it, go for it baby! Just realize this is a con vs con thread.)

So, what do conservatives believe?

What do conservatives believe?
As a general rule, conservatives favor a smaller, weaker, Federal government, less taxes, free trade, a strong defense, a color blind society, and traditional American values.

So who are these "scary" neoconservatives I hear people on the left ranting about?:
"Neocons" are often portrayed as shadowy figures (usually Jewish) who're somehow manipulating America towards war in order to help Israel or just to stoke their bloodlust.

But in reality, the term neocon was coined simply to describe left-wingers who moved to the right. Because there are a number of hawkish Jews who fit that description, neoconservatism has been identified with Jewishness and hawkishness, although neither is a requirement to be a neocon. Neocons do not have a universal set of beliefs, nor do the prescriptions of prominent neocons for the war on terrorism seem to differ significantly from those of the "average conservative". More info here.

How 'bout Paleocons?:
Paleocons for the most part hold the same beliefs as other conservatives except they tend to be isolationists, anti-free trade, and are debatably even more anti-illegal alien than the average conservative. The best known paleoconservative is Pat Buchanan whose magazine, The American Conservative, is so shrilly anti-Bush and anti-war that large portions of it could have been written by left-wingers like Michael Moore or Ted Rall.

Why do conservatives always seem to favor tax-cuts for the wealthy?:
Most people on the right are against a graduated income tax. Put another way, conservatives favor things like flat taxes or national sales taxes over our current tax system because they believe a "rising tide lifts all boats". A flat tax or sales tax would encourage everyone to make as much money as possible, which would help grow the economy, whereas a graduated tax punishes high achievers for their success, and lessens economic growth overall.

Moreover, if everyone pays the same percentage of tax, that would provide a strong check on the growth of the Federal government. On the other hand, if the large majority of the taxes are foisted on the rich and ordinary people don't feel any pain if there's a tax increase, the government will grow larger than it should on the backs of the entrepreneurs who are helping to drive the economy. Eventually you get to a point, as we did in the seventies, where this strangles economic growth.

To sum it up, long term, the flatter the tax system is, the more the economy will grow, and the better off ALL AMERICANS, not just the rich, will be.

Why do Conservatives favor the rich so much?
See the answer given above. Furthermore, instead of saying that, "Conservatives favor the rich," I think it would be more accurate to say that conservatives, unlike liberals, are not hostile to the rich. Conservatives don't begrudge the wealthy the money they make, think the affluent must have cheated somebody to get rich, or believe that society should "punish" people for success.

What's so great about Ronald Reagan? Why do conservatives admire him so much?:
When the Gipper came into office, our economy was in the worst shape since the Great Depression, Vietnam and Watergate had shattered America's confidence, and the Soviet Union was considered by many to be the stronger of the two super powers. When Reagan left office he had rebuilt our military, taken the steps necessary to break the Soviet Union (which finally collapsed in 1991), and managed to create a tidal wave of economic prosperity with his tax cuts that America is still riding to this day. To conservatives, Reagan was a titan among men. More details here.

The conservatives I know are opposed to Affirmative Action and racial set-asides. Why so?: Conservatives believe it is wrong to discriminate against, or give benefits to, anyone based on the color of his skin. In other words, Conservatives believe in a color-blind society.

Is Republican a synonym for conservative?:
No, no, a thousand times no! The Republican party is the home of the conservative movement, but that doesn't mean that all Republicans are conservative. Furthermore, even the Republicans who are conservative can't always do what they'd like because of political pressure.

Just to give you an example of what I'm talking about, keep in mind that President Bush has endured voluminous criticism from the right over his plan to deal with illegal aliens, excessive spending, Steel Tariffs, his support for the assault weapons ban, his large budget increase for the NEA, and a number of other issues.

Is there such a thing as a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy?: Let me paraphrase Brian Newport, a cartoon character from 'This Just In' and say, "I know that there isn't a vast right-wing conspiracy because if it existed, I'd be in it". In other words, there is no vast right wing conspiracy.

So what's the conservative beef with abortion?:
Simply put, conservatives believe life begins at conception. Since that's what conservatives believe, then it logically follows that conservatives believe an abortion is nothing less than the murder of a baby. And what type of degenerate would you have to be to believe that abortion is infanticide and yet still support it?

Why do conservatives hate the environment?:
Unfortunately, most environmental activists today tend to be radical luddites for whom economic considerations are practically irrelevant. We're talking about people who try to stop almost every new power plant from being built, who oppose drilling a desolate Alaska wasteland laden with oil because they fear it might upset the caribou in the region, and who'd happily drive the US economy into a depression by supporting the Kyoto Accord (more on that next).

Conservatives want clean water, clean air, and a clean planet as much as the average person. However, unlike radical environmentalists, we're not purists. Conservatives have a sense of proportion, and we're not willing to drive America's standard of living back 50 years for some unnoticeable environmental gain. So in effect, conservatives are pro-environment, we're just moderates about it compared to the zealots in the environmentalism movement.

Speaking of the Kyoto Accord, why are conservatives so deadset against it?:
Conservatives believe Kyoto is an incredibly expensive and yet largely ineffective solution to a dubious problem. While most scientists now seem to agree the earth is warming (in the seventies the consensus was that it was cooling), truth be told, we don't really know exactly why it's warming up or how much hotter it will get over what time period. Furthermore, even if mankind is causing it, Kyoto is a highly ineffective way to address the problem. As Bjorn Lomborg recently said,

"Implementing the Kyoto agreement on climate change would cost at least $150 billion each year, yet would do no more than postpone global warming for six years by 2100. That is to say, it would cause temperatures to increase slightly more slowly - the temperature we would have reached in 2100 without Kyoto, we would now reach in 2106."

Well, how about the United Nations? Aren't they the good guys?
How can conservatives have a problem with them?:

The UN is a corrupt, incompetent, toothless, largely anti-American and anti-semitic organization, where dictatorships and global small fry have an inordinate amount of power and influence. That is reason enough to hold the organization in contempt. But, more importantly, conservatives believe that the United Nations often tries to insert itself in matters of US law, put itself above the US Constitution, and chip away at the sovereignty of the United States. That is simply intolerable.

What's the root of conservative anger at Europe?:
Conservatives find much of Europe to be far to the left of America, anti-American, and to have an appallingly naive & utopian view of how the world actually works. Furthermore, many conservatives view Europeans as ungrateful pikers who have often come to running to America for help (WW1, WW2, Vietnam (France), The Cold War, Kosovo, Bosnia, etc) but have no interest in returning the favor in the war on terrorism. France in particular is disliked because they have been tacitly trying to undermine the United States in Iraq.

Is there a conservative strategy for the war on terrorism?:
Absolutely. In the short term, we're going after not just Al-Qaeda, but all terrorist groups with global reach along with the rogue states that support them. If you're wondering why we're not just focusing on Al-Qaeda, keep in mind that it would be all too easy for Al-Qaeda to reform with another name or for other groups to take up Al-Qaeda's cause. Furthermore, without the training, shelter, and support of rogue states, terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda become an order of magnitude less effective. So it's vitally important that we force rogue states that support terrorism to get out of the business the easy way (like Libya) or the hard way (like Iraq).

Long term, conservatives believe that helping to spread democracy and freedom in the Middle-East is a good way to dry up the pools of support the terrorists have in the region and it's also the best way to improve our image over the long haul. More info here.

© Copyright 2001-2006 John Hawkins
 
>>>Cons continued:

Most conservatives I know don't like illegal immigrants. Why is that?:
Well obviously you don't know anyone who works for the Wall Street Journal -- har, har, har (sorry, that's just a little inside joke for conservatives). The biggest problem conservatives have with illegal aliens is that word "illegal" in front of their name. We're talking about people who hold our laws in contempt, who sneak into our country, who often don't pay their fair share in taxes, and yet use our hospitals, our schools, and our social service programs (when they have children here). In the eyes of conservatives, being anti-illegal alien is a basic part of being pro-law and order. Get more details here.

Are conservatives against the minimum wage because they hate poor people?:
No, not at all. Look, the minimum wage artificially forces up wages which leads to higher costs of goods for consumers, can make businesses less competitive in the global marketplace, and most importantly reduces the number of jobs available for the very people it's meant to help. The minimum wage may sound good in theory, but conservatives believe it's an economically unsound policy. More details here.

What's so great about school vouchers and why are conservatives always promoting them as a way to fix our schools?:
"Spending more money" is always touted as the "cureall" for the ills of our public school system. However, conservatives believe we're not getting our money's worth out of our schools (which are some of the best funded in the world by the way). Therefore, the solution is to give parents vouchers they can use at any school they choose, thereby bringing market forces to bear. If schools have to compete for dollars, conservatives believe their performance will improve. Competition works almost everywhere else in the American economy, so why shouldn't it work with schools too?

Don't conservatives believe in separation of church & state?:
The phrase "separation of church and state" never appears in the Constitution. What does appear in the Constitution is,

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof".

Conservatives believe that what the Founding Fathers were trying to do was prevent the creation of a National Church, not to actually suppress religious liberties. So for example, you may oppose school prayer, mentioning God in the Pledge of Allegiance, etc, etc, but conservatives believe there's no constitutional basis for your opposition. That's a very important distinction to make. Read more on this subject here.

Why are conservatives so opposed to gun control?:
Not only do conservatives think gun control is only effective at disarming law abiding citizens, not criminals who obviously can't be expected to follow the rules, we also believe the 2nd Amendment gives us the constitutional right to be armed. Because of that, conservative opposition to gun control is a given.
© Copyright 2001-2006 John Hawkins
There you have it. Agree or disagree?
 
Here's what Glenn Beck believes:

On his own CNN prime time show, Glenn Beck mercilously called Rose O'Donnell a 'Fat Witch' and a 'Whale.' That was in response to Rosie's 9/11 views.

And, Glenn followed up with some choice 'morsels', like:

"Do you know how many oil lamps we can keep burning on Rosie O'Donnell's fat"

"Think about how much perfume we could make (on her fat)"

It is difficult to ascertain how Beck is defending his conservative views - unless, Beck has now adopted that 'overweight' is not a conservative trait.
 
Here's what Glenn Beck believes:

On his own CNN prime time show, Glenn Beck mercilously called Rose O'Donnell a 'Fat Witch' and a 'Whale.' That was in response to Rosie's 9/11 views.

And, Glenn followed up with some choice 'morsels', like:

"Do you know how many oil lamps we can keep burning on Rosie O'Donnell's fat"

"Think about how much perfume we could make (on her fat)"

It is difficult to ascertain how Beck is defending his conservative views - unless, Beck has now adopted that 'overweight' is not a conservative trait.

Oh, conservatives can't make fun of people? Apparently I'm in the wrong party.
 
Oh, conservatives can't make fun of people? Apparently I'm in the wrong party.

Conservatives CAN make fun of people - they're very adept at that!

But, this particular 'jabbing' is part of any ongoing onslaught on Rosie - and, you know it. Attempting personality destruction is NOT the same as 'making fun of people.'
 
Conservatives CAN make fun of people - they're very adept at that!

But, this particular 'jabbing' is part of any ongoing onslaught on Rosie - and, you know it. Attempting personality destruction is NOT the same as 'making fun of people.'

If you can't make fun of Rosie O'Donnel then who the hell can you make fun of? The lady is a fat, loudmouth, bitch, who has thick enough skin that she can take it as well as she dishes it out.
 
Billo is there a thread here for what Liberals believe?

Im constantly reading what cons believe cos they'll never tire of shoving it down your throat so Id like to see the left try and define its agenda...
 
If you can't make fun of Rosie O'Donnel then who the hell can you make fun of? The lady is a fat, loudmouth, bitch, who has thick enough skin that she can take it as well as she dishes it out.

Well, you DO make a point! It's a long established conservative ploy to detract the public from 'real' problems (like Iraq and maybe Iran) by resorting to 'humor.'
 
I think Rosie is a whacked out, loudmouth bitch who needs to have a broomstick shoved......well, I digress.:roll:

And I am left of center. Hey, we all have the right to hate Rosie. Why should conservatives get to have all the fun?
 
Well, you DO make a point! It's a long established conservative ploy to detract the public from 'real' problems (like Iraq and maybe Iran) by resorting to 'humor.'

So if Michael Moore tells a joke about Bush on one of his "documentaries" it's funny, but if a conservative makes fun of a fat, loudmouth, bitch, who knows absolutely nothing about the issues it's an attempt to distract the public?
 
Well, you DO make a point! It's a long established conservative ploy to detract the public from 'real' problems (like Iraq and maybe Iran) by resorting to 'humor.'


Yes quite.

Conservatives - 'Rosie Odonnell, is it that I hate that she's fat and ugly or I dont like what she says, lets go with fat and ugly!!!
 
I agree with most of this. Excpet the seperation of Church and State, and Abortion. If they would have put the traditional stance against gay marriage I would disagree with that ( the stance itself, I am pro-gay marriage).

I am basically for the government being small and out of our lives(unless it comes to national defense), but not so far out that I would consider myself a libertarian. I just don't like pot that much....
 
Yes quite.

Conservatives - 'Rosie Odonnell, is it that I hate that she's fat and ugly or I dont like what she says, lets go with fat and ugly!!!

Is it against the rules to dislike someone because they're fat and ugly?
 
Is it against the rules to dislike someone because they're fat and ugly?

Yes, thats discrimination. She was born that way, and you MUST ACCEPT IT....

I personally don't care what Rosie looks like,but she does have that shrill voice that grates on your nerves to no end. Plus she is politically retarded. I treat her kind of like the retarded kid in math class that always yells out the wrong answer. Its annoying, but you tolerate it because they can't help themselves....
 
Yes, thats discrimination. She was born that way, and you MUST ACCEPT IT....
Bullshit. I couldn't use it as an excuse not to hire her or serve her in a restaraunt, but I can sure as hell dislike her and ridicule her if I so choose.

I personally don't care what Rosie looks like,but she does have that shrill voice that grates on your nerves to no end. Plus she is politically retarded. I treat her kind of like the retarded kid in math class that always yells out the wrong answer. Its annoying, but you tolerate it because they can't help themselves....

Well, I was always one to make fun of the retarded kid behind his back so I guess thats where our differences lie huh?
 
Bullshit. I couldn't use it as an excuse not to hire her or serve her in a restaraunt, but I can sure as hell dislike her and ridicule her if I so choose.

Oh I know, I was just being sarcastic. Hopefully Hooters contiues to discriminate in their hiring practices.......(Shhhhh don't tell Rosie)

Well, I was always one to make fun of the retarded kid behind his back so I guess thats where our differences lie huh?

Oh no difference there. You feel bad for their plight, but sometimes the funniest things come out of their mouth.....
 
Is it against the rules to dislike someone because they're fat and ugly?

Certainly not, thats what freedom of speech is all about, the freedom to offend.

However, such an attitude of attack tells one alot about the attacker.
 
Certainly not, thats what freedom of speech is all about, the freedom to offend.

However, such an attitude of attack tells one alot about the attacker.

Certainly does. Do I come across as an *******? Hopefully not, it's all in good fun.
 
Oh I know, I was just being sarcastic. Hopefully Hooters contiues to discriminate in their hiring practices.......(Shhhhh don't tell Rosie)



Oh no difference there. You feel bad for their plight, but sometimes the funniest things come out of their mouth.....

Alright, sorry I didn't catch the sarcasm. Usually I'm pretty good on picking that up since it's like a second language to me :mrgreen:

Oh the things those retards say...
 
Nah I know your just having a laugh, as is your right. :lol: Cos I hate spazzies too.:rofl


I just mean those pundits of either side that choose to take such a tack while ignoring the real content.

However, if you mean that some very dim people get a disordinate amount of time on air to spew their stupidity on a knowledgable public then Id wholeheartedly agree with you there.
 
What do conservatives believe?
As a general rule, conservatives favor a smaller, weaker, Federal government, less taxes, free trade, a strong defense, a color blind society, and traditional American values.

I don't disagree with that.

Why do conservatives always seem to favor tax-cuts for the wealthy?:
Most people on the right are against a graduated income tax. Put another way, conservatives favor things like flat taxes or national sales taxes over our current tax system because they believe a "rising tide lifts all boats". A flat tax or sales tax would encourage everyone to make as much money as possible, which would help grow the economy, whereas a graduated tax punishes high achievers for their success, and lessens economic growth overall.

Moreover, if everyone pays the same percentage of tax, that would provide a strong check on the growth of the Federal government. On the other hand, if the large majority of the taxes are foisted on the rich and ordinary people don't feel any pain if there's a tax increase, the government will grow larger than it should on the backs of the entrepreneurs who are helping to drive the economy. Eventually you get to a point, as we did in the seventies, where this strangles economic growth.

To sum it up, long term, the flatter the tax system is, the more the economy will grow, and the better off ALL AMERICANS, not just the rich, will be.

Again I don't think I can disagree with anything here.

I would add however that (for the most part) the poor don't pay taxes. Most of the taxes are paid by the "rich" and so if there is going to be a tax cut most of it would benefit the "rich".

Why do Conservatives favor the rich so much?
See the answer given above. Furthermore, instead of saying that, "Conservatives favor the rich," I think it would be more accurate to say that conservatives, unlike liberals, are not hostile to the rich. Conservatives don't begrudge the wealthy the money they make, think the affluent must have cheated somebody to get rich, or believe that society should "punish" people for success.

I don't know if I would say I (as a conservative) "favor the rich".

I just don't think as your comment said a person should get punished for being a success..

If someone makes more money than I do ... good for them.

The conservatives I know are opposed to Affirmative Action and racial set-asides. Why so?: Conservatives believe it is wrong to discriminate against, or give benefits to, anyone based on the color of his skin. In other words, Conservatives believe in a color-blind society.

As MLK would say I hope that...

my children will be judged by the content of their character,. not the color of their skin.


Is Republican a synonym for conservative?:
No, no, a thousand times no! The Republican party is the home of the conservative movement, but that doesn't mean that all Republicans are conservative. Furthermore, even the Republicans who are conservative can't always do what they'd like because of political pressure.

Just to give you an example of what I'm talking about, keep in mind that President Bush has endured voluminous criticism from the right over his plan to deal with illegal aliens, excessive spending, Steel Tariffs, his support for the assault weapons ban, his large budget increase for the NEA, and a number of other issues.

Yep. Not all Republicans are Conservatives. Some of them are RINOs. Republican In Name Only

So what's the conservative beef with abortion?:
Simply put, conservatives believe life begins at conception. Since that's what conservatives believe, then it logically follows that conservatives believe an abortion is nothing less than the murder of a baby. And what type of degenerate would you have to be to believe that abortion is infanticide and yet still support it?

Although I do not support a 100% ban on abortions.

Why do conservatives hate the environment?:
Unfortunately, most environmental activists today tend to be radical luddites for whom economic considerations are practically irrelevant. We're talking about people who try to stop almost every new power plant from being built, who oppose drilling a desolate Alaska wasteland laden with oil because they fear it might upset the caribou in the region, and who'd happily drive the US economy into a depression by supporting the Kyoto Accord (more on that next).

Conservatives want clean water, clean air, and a clean planet as much as the average person. However, unlike radical environmentalists, we're not purists. Conservatives have a sense of proportion, and we're not willing to drive America's standard of living back 50 years for some unnoticeable environmental gain. So in effect, conservatives are pro-environment, we're just moderates about it compared to the zealots in the environmentalism movement.

A part of my stance on the environment is based on more of a Libertarian view. (least I think it would be a Libertarian view)

IF I own some property I don't want the government telling me what I can or cannot do on that property.

A local community has an ordinance that says you CANNOT cut down a private tree without permission from the government.


Most conservatives I know don't like illegal immigrants. Why is that?:
Well obviously you don't know anyone who works for the Wall Street Journal -- har, har, har (sorry, that's just a little inside joke for conservatives). The biggest problem conservatives have with illegal aliens is that word "illegal" in front of their name. We're talking about people who hold our laws in contempt, who sneak into our country, who often don't pay their fair share in taxes, and yet use our hospitals, our schools, and our social service programs (when they have children here). In the eyes of conservatives, being anti-illegal alien is a basic part of being pro-law and order. Get more details here.

Yep. If someone wants to come to this country LEGALLY I would welcome them.

Are conservatives against the minimum wage because they hate poor people?:
No, not at all. Look, the minimum wage artificially forces up wages which leads to higher costs of goods for consumers, can make businesses less competitive in the global marketplace, and most importantly reduces the number of jobs available for the very people it's meant to help. The minimum wage may sound good in theory, but conservatives believe it's an economically unsound policy. More details here.

I don't have the link handy but I recall seeing a story from California (I think) where they increased the local min wage and as a result part time people are finding themselves out of work because employers are having to cut the number of people they employ because of the higher costs.



What's so great about school vouchers and why are conservatives always promoting them as a way to fix our schools?:
"Spending more money" is always touted as the "cureall" for the ills of our public school system. However, conservatives believe we're not getting our money's worth out of our schools (which are some of the best funded in the world by the way). Therefore, the solution is to give parents vouchers they can use at any school they choose, thereby bringing market forces to bear. If schools have to compete for dollars, conservatives believe their performance will improve. Competition works almost everywhere else in the American economy, so why shouldn't it work with schools too?

It has worked....


Don't conservatives believe in separation of church & state?:
The phrase "separation of church and state" never appears in the Constitution. What does appear in the Constitution is,

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof".

Conservatives believe that what the Founding Fathers were trying to do was prevent the creation of a National Church, not to actually suppress religious liberties. So for example, you may oppose school prayer, mentioning God in the Pledge of Allegiance, etc, etc, but conservatives believe there's no constitutional basis for your opposition. That's a very important distinction to make. Read more on this subject here.

Well.... I would love to have someone point to where "seperation of Church and State" can be found.


Why are conservatives so opposed to gun control?:
Not only do conservatives think gun control is only effective at disarming law abiding citizens, not criminals who obviously can't be expected to follow the rules, we also believe the 2nd Amendment gives us the constitutional right to be armed. Because of that, conservative opposition to gun control is a given.


I have never seen a case where someone who has a Carry Permit has ever misused their gun.

I can think of countless cases where criminals who have guns have misused their guns.

It does seem pointless to pass more laws that only law abiding people will follow.

Obviously not all Conservatives agree on every issue.

Some people may be Conservative on one issue but not on another.
 
So if Michael Moore tells a joke about Bush on one of his "documentaries" it's funny, but if a conservative makes fun of a fat, loudmouth, bitch, who knows absolutely nothing about the issues it's an attempt to distract the public?

I do not recall Michael Moore telling a joke about Bush! And, when people do often laugh about Bush, it's because Bush brought it on!

Further, 'documentaries' speak for themselves.
 
Originally posted by EAGLE1:
Billo is there a thread here for what Liberals believe?

Im constantly reading what cons believe cos they'll never tire of shoving it down your throat so Id like to see the left try and define its agenda...
Liberal's are just well-informed, rational, intelligent, kind, caring, strong, disciplined, sexy, manly, honest and all around great guy conservatives.
 
Liberal's are just well-informed, rational, intelligent, kind, caring, strong, disciplined, sexy, manly, honest and all around great guy conservatives.

Many thanks...You are too kind.

It could be argued I suppose that liberals are indeed the true conservatives. After all they seek to keep much of the reforms made in the 20th Century to society while Conservatives seek to repeal these.
 
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