What Democrats did to Illinois

[RabidAlpaca]

Actually, many Dems do make excuses and "let it go."

They blame violent crime on poverty and -- of course -- systemic you-know-what.

They think that they are being very clever.

I doubt that their great-grandchildren will feel any gratitude.

So your claim is poverty isn't one of the leading causes of crime? So poor and rich people are exactly equally likely to commit crimes? Got some evidence or a source?

 

[Threegoofs]

Depends on your definition of "world class" I suppose. However your previous statement was "Top 10" which is outright comical.




Oh, look at that wisdom. A city is difficult for poor people? No shit, any other gems rattling around in there? You think Chicago is worse for poors than Boston? Uh, ok. Might want to check the cost of living comparisons. A lot more people made it work in Chicago in the past than they do now. That alone tells you something.

What does it tell us?

Awaiting a made up fact.

 

[trixare4kids]

Gotten worse?

Wrong, as usual.

1) high living costs are a part of living in a place lots of people want to be in. Seems like a San Diegan would get it.

Lots of people have left Chicago.

Chicagoans Moving Out of Chicago at Increased Rate During COVID-19 Pandemic - Updater

Whether it’s COVID-related, a work-from-home lifestyle, or social unrest downtown, Chicago residents are leaving the city. We closely examined 39,000 moves into and out of Chicago from March 1, 2020 to September 30, 2020, and learned the following: Nationally, measures taken by local, state, and...

updater.com

Five Charts That Show Who's Leaving Illinois And Why

More people are leaving Illinois. The biggest jumps are among older folks, high-income residents and those with college degrees.

www.npr.org

2) lack of investments? This city has grown tremendously since 1986. I mean- as of last year there were 35 high rise buildings being built in the city- including three of the top 10 tallest in the city.

Yes, lack of investments, particularly the disparity of investments in certain areas of the city. https://chicago.curbed.com/2019/5/23/18637211/chicago-segregation-inequity-investment-lori-lightfoot

3) cold winters are not really ‘extreme’, and they are substantially warmer since the mid 1980s, for reasons most people understand by now.

Yes, Chicago winters are still extreme. Record snowfall in 2013-2014

In addition, the all-time record low maximum temperature of −11 °F (−24 °C) was set on December 24, 1983, and tied on January 18, 1994. However in late January 2019, a violent polar vortex drifted southward, enveloping the city in new record-breaking temperatures as low as −23 °F (−31 °C) on January 30.

Climate of Chicago - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

4) traffic is not good, and has certainly gotten worse since 1986, but it’s much better than many cities, and the public transit is quite good- with an extensive and growing subway/El and commuter rail.

Thanks for a glowing moment of honesty.

5) crime has dropped substantially since the mid 1980s, as it has in most of the country.

Lol, violent crime has not dropped in the city of Chicago.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2021/10/29/22751518/downtown-chicago-loop-shootings-murder-river-north vi

 

[trixare4kids]

That’s… not even Chicago.

LOL. Can you fail any more?

It's Evanston, a 10-12 mile community from the city of Chicago.
If you can, see the larger point.

Chicago, like their neighbor Evanston to the north, has a big problem. One can be in a so so or even civilized area in Chicago and within a nano minute be in a crime ridden neighborhood.

 

[Kushinator]

Oh, look at that wisdom. A city is difficult for poor people? No shit, any other gems rattling around in there? You think Chicago is worse for poors than Boston? Uh, ok. Might want to check the cost of living comparisons. A lot more people made it work in Chicago in the past than they do now. That alone tells you something.

You're the one who continues to focus on weather after it's been established Chicago winters are about as bad as they get. This isn't even a matter of contention.

Urban to suburban migration is a part of mobile society. People have been moving from more expensive / crowded / harsh locations to cheaper / less populated / fair weather destinations since the beginning of time. It's awfully important for you to portray Chicago in the worst possible light, so feel free to cherry-pick and make assumptions about others who disagree... that's your entire act.

 

[bave]

You're the one who continues to focus on weather after it's been established Chicago winters are about as bad as they get. This isn't even a matter of contention.

Urban to suburban migration is a part of mobile society. People have been moving from more expensive / crowded / harsh locations to cheaper / less populated / fair weather destinations since the beginning of time. It's awfully important for you to portray Chicago in the worst possible light, so feel free to cherry-pick and make assumptions about others who disagree... that's your entire act.

The data speaks for itself. The population of the city has declined by ~35% in nominal terms over the last ~70 years. Put it in terms of proportionality to national population it looks far worse.

How many people do you hear asking about moving to Chicago? You live in Ft. Lauderdale, but love blue states and their policies? What gives?

 

[Kushinator]

The data speaks for itself. The population of the city has declined by ~35% in nominal terms over the last ~70 years.

Another instance where you refuse to provide citation for your claim (which is surely bullshit).

How many people do you hear asking about moving to Chicago? You live in Ft. Lauderdale, but love blue states and their policies? What gives?

Young, educated, higher income / wealth people continue to flock to Chicago. I'm not the topic of discussion.

 

[bave]

Another instance where you refuse to provide citation for your claim (which is surely bullshit).

Chicago, Illinois Population History | 1840 - 2022

Access the most recent census population information for Chicago, Illinois, including a population profile and history.

www.biggestuscities.com

1950 3,620,962 2
2019 2,693,976 3

 

[highroller]

Chicago, Illinois Population History | 1840 - 2022

Access the most recent census population information for Chicago, Illinois, including a population profile and history.

www.biggestuscities.com

1950 3,620,962 2
2019 2,693,976 3

Did you ever think that those people moved out side of the city? Think about the United States look like in 1950 verse 2019.

somethings the Democrats didn’t do… life just changes sometimes.

 

[Threegoofs]

It's Evanston, a 10-12 mile community from the city of Chicago.
If you can, see the larger point.

Chicago, like their neighbor Evanston to the north, has a big problem. One can be in a so so or even civilized area in Chicago and within a nano minute be in a crime ridden neighborhood.

Evanston is not ‘crime ridden’. And it’s not 10 miles from Chicago, it’s literally adjacent.

But having a map thats not Chicago and some perfectly safe neighborhoods that have “no’ written in crayon on them sure shows you know what’s going on in Chicago. LOL

 

[Threegoofs]

Lots of people have left Chicago.

Chicagoans Moving Out of Chicago at Increased Rate During COVID-19 Pandemic - Updater

Whether it’s COVID-related, a work-from-home lifestyle, or social unrest downtown, Chicago residents are leaving the city. We closely examined 39,000 moves into and out of Chicago from March 1, 2020 to September 30, 2020, and learned the following: Nationally, measures taken by local, state, and...

updater.com

Five Charts That Show Who's Leaving Illinois And Why

More people are leaving Illinois. The biggest jumps are among older folks, high-income residents and those with college degrees.

www.npr.org

Yes, lack of investments, particularly the disparity of investments in certain areas of the city. https://chicago.curbed.com/2019/5/23/18637211/chicago-segregation-inequity-investment-lori-lightfoot


Yes, Chicago winters are still extreme. Record snowfall in 2013-2014

In addition, the all-time record low maximum temperature of −11 °F (−24 °C) was set on December 24, 1983, and tied on January 18, 1994. However in late January 2019, a violent polar vortex drifted southward, enveloping the city in new record-breaking temperatures as low as −23 °F (−31 °C) on January 30.

Climate of Chicago - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Thanks for a glowing moment of honesty.


Lol, violent crime has not dropped in the city of Chicago.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2021/10/29/22751518/downtown-chicago-loop-shootings-murder-river-north vi

LOL. All wrong.

 

[Threegoofs]

Chicago, Illinois Population History | 1840 - 2022

Access the most recent census population information for Chicago, Illinois, including a population profile and history.

www.biggestuscities.com

1950 3,620,962 2
2019 2,693,976 3

The chicago area has grown substantially in that time. 1950 was when the suburbs stated growing, and as chicagoans got wealthier, they move to less dense housing.

 

[Kushinator]

The population of the city has declined by ~35% in nominal terms over the last ~70 years.

Chicago, Illinois Population History | 1840 - 2022

Access the most recent census population information for Chicago, Illinois, including a population profile and history.

www.biggestuscities.com

1950 3,620,962
2019 2,693,976

A 35% reduction in population would be 1.267 million. I sense an excuse brewing.

 

[Kushinator]

The chicago area has grown substantially in that time. 1950 was when the suburbs stated growing, and as chicagoans got wealthier, they move to less dense housing.

Again, he's doing a terrible job at trying to rebrand Chicago as a shithole city on the basis of population differentials alone. The Chicago metropolitan area, which includes parts of northwest Indiana, the south and north suburbs, and the west suburbs going out to Aurora has seen population growth between 68% and 78% depending on the year, the source, and what / when some current municipalities are included (U.N. vs Census) since 1950.

 

[Threegoofs]

Again, he's doing a terrible job at trying to rebrand Chicago as a shithole city on the basis of population differentials alone. The Chicago metropolitan area, which includes parts of northwest Indiana, the south and north suburbs, and the west suburbs going out to Aurora has seen population growth between 68% and 78% depending on the year, the source, and what / when some current municipalities are included (U.N. vs Census) since 1950.

Yes, the derangement is complete with some of these types. Trix and bave have made it clear that the crime is so terrible, Chicagoanss are fleeing en mass, taxation is high and the economy is horrible and no investment has been made, yet paradoxically, they also say the cost of living is too high (because home prices always drop with no demand and SKYROCKETING taxes. ) and ignore that population has increased over the last decade.

And the funny thing is, this information they’ve been repeatedly slapped down with hasn’t changed their minds.