What are atheist values?

[Dragonfly]

If atheists were truly honest they'd abandon atheism as I did.

What "honest truth" did you discover that caused you to "abandon atheism"?

What exactly did you abandon it to? What theism, or deism have you adopted?

 

[zyzygy]

If they have any morals or values, they are borrowed from religious teachings.


A proper atheist doesn't have values or morals. They believe in "moral relativism". Basically, for real atheists, morals and values don't exist.


But they don't want to go to jail, so they are coerced into behaving.

Nonsense.

 

[Dragonfly]

If they have any morals or values, they are borrowed from religious teachings.


A proper atheist doesn't have values or morals.

Basically, for real atheists, morals and values don't exist.


But they don't want to go to jail, so they are coerced into behaving.

Where do you get crap like this from?
Who teaches you this kind of bull crap?

 

[devildavid]

It seems to me that the term 'atheist' is too broadly defined to fit into 'value'. What is a 'theistic value'? You can't say without further information. You can do an invidivudal atheist's value, or bring up a philosophy that has atheism as one of it's tenets, but other than that, the only thing is a lack of belief in any deity.

This pretty much says it all.

 

[watsup]

Trump isn't responsible for atheist lies.

Gosh, I hope not. He already has enough of his own. What's it up to now, 20,000 or so in just four years? Can you believe that some people still want to actually vote for this con man/PT Barnum/Wizard of Oz faker/poser?

 

[bongsaway]

That is the same for everyone. Many believers only pay lip service to their beliefs. At least atheists are honest and not hypocritical.

Amen. They talk the talk but most don't walk the walk. As a reformed catholic and now proud atheist I honestly don't care what "godly" folks think of me not believing what they do, at all. To me it's rather refreshing to not have to torture myself about sin. With that said, I'm probably more spiritual than most self proclaimed christians. Some seem so full of hatred.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Of course... how many threads are we going to see from ‘theists’ claiming values or ethics starts and ends with their beliefs? (Totally ignoring that all concepts in this area predate monotheism by several thousand years.)

 

[devildavid]

Trump isn't responsible for atheist lies.

No, he is responsible for his own. His biggest lie is pretending to believe in god or any religion at all. He only knows how to hold a bible, but he can't name his favorite quotes.

 

[devildavid]

If atheists were truly honest they'd abandon atheism as I did.

Hilarious. If you were truly honest you'd stop making false claims about evolutionary theory.

 

[Sweden]

Nonsense.

How right you are! Swing voter does not understand that atheists can and do have values based on a coherent system of ethics, based on reason. It is not too hard to work out that society works best if people treat each other with respect. That they are honest, trust worthy and reliable. That they are kind to everyone, most especially the very young the very old and the defenseless. Their is, quite properly, an element of self interest is this. A society based on reason is the most pleasant one to live in.

 

[Sweden]

If they have any morals or values, they are borrowed from religious teachings.


A proper atheist doesn't have values or morals. They believe in "moral relativism". Basically, for real atheists, morals and values don't exist.


But they don't want to go to jail, so they are coerced into behaving.

You are quite mistaken. Here is a little example for you. I have never stolen anything anything in my long life. Not because I "don't want to go to jail" but because I despise theft as 'anti-social'. The society I want to live in has the least possible amount of criminality.

Sure in my early years I learnt from the example set by my parents. My entirely non-religious father and my Catholic mother were equally honest and kind. The sort of people who if they found they had been given too much change returned to the shop to give back the excess money.

Later I worked out for myself what is good and what is bad both in society and in personal relationships. I ask you to believe that fear has never come into it.

 

[Noodlegawd]

The "atheist values" are:

1. I don't believe in a god.
2. There is no 2.

Any questions?

 

[it's just me]

Gosh, I hope not. He already has enough of his own. What's it up to now, 20,000 or so in just four years? Can you believe that some people still want to actually vote for this con man/PT Barnum/Wizard of Oz faker/poser?

Is that an "atheist value"? Everything is somebody else's fault? If an atheist acts like an asshole it's Trump's fault, God's fault, our fault, and when we elect Trump back into the White House it will be the citizens fault, yadda, yadda, yadda. It will be our fault that you guys are miserable.

 

[it's just me]

The "atheist values" are:

1. I don't believe in a god.
2. There is no 2.

Any questions?

Atheist values:

1. "There is no God"

2. "I hate Him"

 

[Sweden]

Atheist values:

1. "There is no God"

2. "I hate Him"

Will the new format have a 'dislike' button for stupid posts? I hope so.

 

[rickc]

In another thread, Valery referred to “atheist values”, no doubt in a derogatory manner.
So let’s make it a thread to do a deeper dive.

I’ll start. My concept of the reality of the physical universe is gained through science.
My ethical concepts are gained through Humanism, which is the understanding that we humans need to develop the values which will allow us to live in a harmonious society. No murder, no stealing, and an absolute minimum of lying are the foundation. Respect for one another and for life, per se, are also necessary.
There. That’s a start.

Personally religious or not each person has an internal moral compass.

Religious or not there are an equal amount of good and bad people.

Should we judge good or bad from religious doctrine or the law of the land?

Now throughout history religion has been used to control the masses

I suppose the heaven and hell sales pitch may temper some.peoples behavior

 

[Valery]

My concept of the reality of the physical universe is gained through science.

And before you learned how to read, you didn't have a concept of reality?

Wordnik:

concept

n.
A general idea or understanding of something: synonym: idea.
n.
A plan or original idea.
n.
A unifying idea or theme, especially for a product or service.

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My ethical concepts are gained through Humanism, which is the understanding that we humans need to develop the values which will allow us to live in a harmonious society. No murder, no stealing, and an absolute minimum of lying are the foundation. Respect for one another and for life, per se, are also necessary.

If respect is part of "Humanism", why don't "humanists" oppose pornography?

You try to develope values which would allow you to live in a harmonious society, though you have been given those by God. You reject what God gave you and think you can create something better. You are blind to the fact that the society is becoming less harmonious in time the more you try to make it the way that would please you.

I'm guessing you cannot tell the difference between striving to make yourself comfortable and striving to make the society harmonious.

 

[tosca1]

This constant need for ad hom from you and the other believers is simply not a good look. How exactly does that fit into your “moral compass”? Do you teach your children to say negative things about other people? And if you don’t teach them to do so, they why do you? You do know that children learn most by example, right?

:roll:

Irrelevant!

Stick to your topic. You're an atheist - therefore, I'm trying to respond to you from an atheistic point of view!

I'm saying values are in us from birth! Where it came from is what differs between you and I. I believe it's in us because we're made in the image of God.

As an atheist - you would believe that its through evolution! IS THAT RIGHT?




I'm giving you the science of it, duh!




Human values are innate, a product of man's evolution and genetics.

This is the unorthodox thesis of this major work, which for the first time places the study of values on a firm scientific foundation.


The biological origin of human values (Book, 1977) [WorldCat.org]





Lol. I gave you children as an example!




Consistent with this evolutionary perspective, young children show a concern for fairness first inside,

Children’s Sense of Fairness as Equal Respect - ScienceDirect

 

[it's just me]

Will the new format have a 'dislike' button for stupid posts? I hope so.

I do, too, I can use them on atheist posts.

 

[it's just me]

Personally religious or not each person has an internal moral compass.

Religious or not there are an equal amount of good and bad people.

Should we judge good or bad from religious doctrine or the law of the land?

Now throughout history religion has been used to control the masses

I suppose the heaven and hell sales pitch may temper some.peoples behavior

For the past 200 years socialism/communism has been used to control the masses.

 

[it's just me]

Amen. They talk the talk but most don't walk the walk. As a reformed catholic and now proud atheist I honestly don't care what "godly" folks think of me not believing what they do, at all. To me it's rather refreshing to not have to torture myself about sin. With that said, I'm probably more spiritual than most self proclaimed christians. Some seem so full of hatred.

Irony meters all over the world just exploded.

 

[tosca1]

This constant need for ad hom from you and the other believers is simply not a good look. How exactly does that fit into your “moral compass”? Do you teach your children to say negative things about other people? And if you don’t teach them to do so, they why do you? You do know that children learn most by example, right?

Call it ad hom if you will - but you're bringing it on upon yourself!


I'm trying to respond to your atheistic perspective - by invoking science and evolution - yet, you seem to be so dense about it! :lamo



Watsup, I'm giving you the science of it!



Either you've unwittingly created a subject that you don't really understand.......or.................you created a bait thread!
You want to troll but instead, you didn't expect it to backfire showing your ignorance on the issue! :lamo




...........and, you're blaming me for it?

 

[tosca1]

Originally Posted by bongsaway View Post
Amen. They talk the talk but most don't walk the walk. As a reformed catholic and now proud atheist I honestly don't care what "godly" folks think of me not believing what they do, at all. To me it's rather refreshing to not have to torture myself about sin. With that said, I'm probably more spiritual than most self proclaimed christians. Some seem so full of hatred.

Hahahaha....you don't even know the basics of Christianity.....and you're talking about "the walk?"


Maybe you mean the WOK?
You guys are like a bunch of ramen noodles - you're all shaped the same! :lamo

 

[Dragonfly]

The "atheist values" are:

1. I don't believe in a god.
2. There is no 2.

Any questions?

Nope. No questions. You nailed it.

Funny to watch non-atheists struggle with something so simple.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

What "honest truth" did you discover that caused you to "abandon atheism"?

It began with the recognition that the universe cannot have a material explanation, I was studying general relativity at the time. Once this sank in I had to be honest and willing to admit that whatever the reason is for the universe existing, laws of nature cannot have been the cause.

What exactly did you abandon it to? What theism, or deism have you adopted?

I abandoned the belief in materialism, philosophical materialism and began to accept God, a supernatural agency which created the universe and did so with intent, will.