What about affirmative action? [W:275,418]

[windowdressing]

The C-level is CEO, COO, CFO...

I chose not to pursue becoming a Program Manager and Director because of the additional cost above being a senior manager.
I am at the same level as a PM but do not have the same degree of responsibilities 24x7.

and you're telling me this why (although I congratulate you on your accomplishments)?

 

[Misterveritis]

and you're telling me this why (although I congratulate you on your accomplishments)?

It did not appear to me that you understood my comment about paying the price to reach the C-level. I was explaining it to you. It also indicates why there are so few blacks and women at the C-level. There are not that many men (of any color) there either.

 

[windowdressing]

It did not appear to me that you understood my comment about paying the price to reach the C-level. I was explaining it to you. It also indicates why there are so few blacks and women at the C-level. There are not that many men (of any color) there either.

sorry, you lost me ... I'll have to go back to see how this conversation started .. when I do, I'll respond ... take care ...

 

[opendebate]

My point? You are very willing to have someone else, other than yourself, sacrifice for the good of the commune. You are a hypocrite.

Show us how it is done. Voluntarily give up your position so that someone who did not have your advantages can benefit for the good of the commune.

You are hostile with me in a way that is disproportionate to our exchanges and I recommend you back off. You know nothing, nothing....nothing about me or any sacrifice I may or may not have made.

 

[opendebate]

No, the point is that you support some anonymous (porbably Asian or White) person (more qualified) not getting into the school/job of their choice, so that some anonymous black person (less qualified) may do so. The point is would you feel the same if you (or your child) were selected to give up your prefered (current?) job opportunity/place of education to offer some anonymous black person your[/u] opportunity instead? AA is not adding any postions, only deciding who gets the existing (finite) positions.

Challenging my personal integrity is off limits.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Challenging my personal integrity is off limits.

Yet allowing you to dictate which student/applicant gets priority based on race/gender/ethnicty is "within limits"?

It was a simple, straight forward, ethical question; would you not feel personally "cheated" if you (or your child) were told "sorry you are the wrong gender/race, but best of luck somewhere else"?

 

[opendebate]

Yet allowing you to dictate which student/applicant gets priority based on race/gender/ethnicty is "within limits"?

It was a simple, straight forward, ethical question; would you not feel personally "cheated" if you (or your child) were told "sorry you are the wrong gender/race, but best of luck somewhere else"?

No, I wouldn't. We all have challenges in life. If someone who has had more of them then me has an opportunity to finally get a break I would not object, because I know with unshakable certainty that I will get another opportunity.

 

[Jack Hays]

no, what you propose would strip the public school systems of much of its funding in order to allow (often elite) parents a subsidy of their childrens' private educations
we should not take from the less fortunate to provide more to the most fortunate
even tho that is current GOP dogma

Did you even read the link?

 

[justabubba]

Did you even read the link?

do you even understand what you presented?

 

[Jack Hays]

do you even understand what you presented?

Yes. Your problem?eace

 

[ttwtt78640]

No, I wouldn't. We all have challenges in life. If someone who has had more of them then me has an opportunity to finally get a break I would not object, because I know with unshakable certainty that I will get another opportunity.

I gave your post a "like" for your straight forward answer.


:lol: :doh OK, I must accept that liberal drivel as what you honestly think. I would imagine that if you were the child of a recent immigrant Vietnamese fisherman, living along the gulf coast, seeking to attend the only nearby college, that your answer may have differed a bit. :roll:

 

[opendebate]

I gave your post a "like" for your straight forward answer.


:lol: :doh OK, I must accept that liberal drivel as what you honestly think. I would imagine that if you were the child of a recent immigrant Vietnamese fisherman, living along the gulf coast, seeking to attend the only nearby college, that your answer may have differed a bit. :roll:

I still have a heart and I temper it with my mind. I care about my fellow man and I am willing to sacrifice for their well being. If that causes you to disrespect me than I take pride in your condemnation.

 

[ttwtt78640]

I still have a heart and I temper it with my mind. I care about my fellow man and I am willing to sacrifice for their well being. If that causes you to disrespect me than I take pride in your condemnation.

I am simply pointing out, as did my supplied links, that the main beneficiaries of AA are neither necessarily poorer than those that they bump, nor are they academically more apt to succeeed. But if my disagreeing with you makes you feel good then that is fine by me.

 

[Jack Hays]

I am simply pointing out, as did my supplied links, that the main beneficiaries of AA are neither necessarily poorer than those that they bump, nor are they academically more apt to succeeed. But if my disagreeing with you makes you feel good then that is fine by me.

Yup. As was pointed out long ago, the main beneficiaries of AA are middle class white women.

 

[polgara]

Absolutely not true. Only the Obama administration is preventing middle class and poor parents from gaining school choice.

DOJ Bids to Trap Poor, Black Kids in Ineffective Schools - Washington Posteace

I recall the problems and attacks that Michelle Rhee, Chancellor of the DC school system, had suffered when she offered school vouchers to allow middle class and poor families the opportunity to escape failing public schools. The children liked the new schools, the parents liked the new schools, and attendance and grades both improved. The Obama administration halted the program, because the DC teachers' unions objected to the loss of funding for DC's failing public schools.

It was at this time in 2009 that BHO enrolled his daughters at a private school recommended by Hillary Clinton, whose daughter Chelsea had attended. I understand that it would have been a nightmare for the Secret Service to guard Malia and Sasha in a public school, but to deny other parents the opportunity to get a better education for their children seemed inappropriate, and many thought it very unfair and made their feelings known from all over the country! Quite a stink made on Politico at that time!

Good evening, Jack. :2wave:

 

[Jack Hays]

I recall the problems and attacks that Michelle Rhee, Chancellor of the DC school system, had suffered when she offered school vouchers to allow middle class and poor families the opportunity to escape failing public schools. The children liked the new schools, the parents liked the new schools, and attendance and grades both improved. The Obama administration halted the program, because the DC teachers' unions objected to the loss of funding for DC's failing public schools.

It was at this time in 2009 that BHO enrolled his daughters at a private school recommended by Hillary Clinton, whose daughter Chelsea had attended. I understand that it would have been a nightmare for the Secret Service to guard Malia and Sasha in a public school, but to deny other parents the opportunity to get a better education for their children seemed inappropriate, and many thought it very unfair and made their feelings known from all over the country! Quite a stink made on Politico at that time!

Good evening, Jack. :2wave:

Good evening, Polgara.:2wave:

Excellent post.eace

 

[RedAkston]

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[RedAkston]

Moderator's Warning:

Re-opening thread. Let me be very clear - knock off the name calling, baiting and trolling. There will be no wiggle room going forward.

 

[Arbo]

I recall the problems and attacks that Michelle Rhee, Chancellor of the DC school system, had suffered when she offered school vouchers to allow middle class and poor families the opportunity to escape failing public schools. The children liked the new schools, the parents liked the new schools, and attendance and grades both improved. The Obama administration halted the program, because the DC teachers' unions objected to the loss of funding for DC's failing public schools.

It is a shame that the schools do not actually work to better themselves, but rather complain about losing their free money. That is the point of a voucher system, getting the schools to better themselves so people actually want to go there.

 

[Misterveritis]

You are hostile with me in a way that is disproportionate to our exchanges and I recommend you back off. You know nothing, nothing....nothing about me or any sacrifice I may or may not have made.

Did I touch a nerve?

Your sacrifices are not relevant other than the sacrifice you are asking others to make for the good of the collective. You want 'em. You make 'em. Any other response is hypocrisy. Isn't socialism like that generally? We are all asked to sacrifice for the good of the collective. But those who demand it of others rarely step up themselves, do they?

 

[Misterveritis]

I still have a heart and I temper it with my mind. I care about my fellow man and I am willing to sacrifice for their well being. If that causes you to disrespect me than I take pride in your condemnation.

I am reminded of the Soviet Commissar and his questioning of a farmer on a collective farm. In each case the farmer was given a hypothetical situation of sharing his tractors, his horses, his plows, and in each case the farmer says he would be happy to share what he had with the others.. But then the commisar asks "and if you had two shirts you would not object to giving one to your less fortunate neighbor would you?" I would object!" the farmer says. The commissar says, "Why would you object? You agreed to share your tractors, your horses, your plows, so why not your extra shirt?" "Because I have two shirts."

It is easy to give away that which you do not have.

If you actually cared about your fellow man wouldn't you renounce your progressivism and become a conservative?

 

[Fenton]

all? Did I say all? let me check .. actually, no, I didn't say all ...

Do you have to demonstrate your bigotry at every turn? it gets old and it's so kkkish ...

The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Listen chicken little (and, yes, you can be a white chicken), the sky isn't falling ... if we survived Bush, we can survive anything ...

KKK ? No, I'm not a Democrat, I'll leave that distinction to you and your ilk.

The twisted ideology you support, that constructs false narratives like " racism" and " discrimination" just for Political posterity, that wen't from Jim Crow to perpetuating policies that enabled generational dependency and the destruction of the Black family is all you've been able to subscribe to for some reason. It's the best you can do.....

Don't you fill special ? You should, your partiality to believing the nonsense that the Democrats are known to parrot has left you a willing partner in the segregation and the continued destruction of the black community.

But " I'm the bigot " ?? LOL !! But hey, you guys need the votes right ? Even if you have to " buy " those votes.

I can't imagine the level of gullibility, the simplistic one dimensional intellectual capacity it would take for someone over the age of 14 to buy into all of the " it's all Bush's fault" propaganda and then think Obama's doing a " bang up job"....

But then again, I've read your post.

So please respond, I DO enjoy exposing your nonsense over, and over, and over...