Whadda you know? Donald Trump was right...

[Xelor]

I create multiple shell companies for the sole purpose of hiding illegal actions every day. I had no idea.

Thanks for your insight.

I technically speed most days. So do most people, even cops.

Yes, Trump is probably not that unusual in a crowd of old white men born into privilege who are accustomed to breaking the law and then scamming their way out of it. After all, his daddy did it. Problem is, daddy was a lot smarter - just not smart enough to make one of his other kids his tax dodge / slush bucket.

Red:
No, his behavior is as well uncommon among that cohort.

 

[Xelor]

:lamo

The leftist desperation is SO sad. From collusion...to this.

If a client asks a LAWYER to do something that the lawyer KNOWS or BELIEVES to be illegal...it is incumbent on THE LAWYER as...you know...the LEGAL expert...to advise and refuse.

But worse...there is LITERALLY nothing illegal in this. People WILLINGLY enter into cash settlement agreements ALL THE TIME. There was no force or coercion. For once...stormy Daniels was given money to keep her mouth CLOSED instead of opening it up for someone. She wasnt forced. She wasnt compelled. She WILLINGLY agreed.

 

[Xelor]

It's simple: In their world, truth isn't truth.

So said Trump's lawyer...LOL

 

[Nemiroff]

:lamo

The leftist desperation is SO sad. From collusion...to this.

If a client asks a LAWYER to do something that the lawyer KNOWS or BELIEVES to be illegal...it is incumbent on THE LAWYER as...you know...the LEGAL expert...to advise and refuse.

But worse...there is LITERALLY nothing illegal in this. People WILLINGLY enter into cash settlement agreements ALL THE TIME. There was no force or coercion. For once...stormy Daniels was given money to keep her mouth CLOSED instead of opening it up for someone. She wasnt forced. She wasnt compelled. She WILLINGLY agreed.

The issue is he silenced her not to keep his wife, or someone random, in the dark, but the american people during a campaign for the top office. That is where it became a crime.

When will these people wake up? Explaining half the details is the same as lying. Half truths are the corner stone of propaganda. "The truth, the WHOLE truth, and nothing but the truth"

 

[Nemiroff]

:doh

This is the kind of thread I've come to expect from those who went to bed thinking Hillary was a shoe-in, and woke up to find she had lost to Trump back in 2016.

The witch hunt that followed was designed to find something, ANYTHING to prove Trump did not win the election fair and square.

The Russian "conspiracy/collusion" was the FBI "insurance policy," but the goal was to find whatever possible to bring him down and make everything right again.

Psychic shock turned into a search for "what went wrong!?!"

I bet the same people who defended Clinton when the Republican's were seeking to impeach him and only found perjury via "I did not have sex with that woman" are now using the "Trump paid off that woman so she wouldn't lose him the election" same way of thinking leading to impeachment back then.

(BTW, that's why I ended up voting for Clinton when he ran for a second term, my disgust for this kind of partisan witch-hunting back then.)

In this case no evidence of actual Russian/Trump conspiracy, but that doesn't matter if the witch-hunt was successful finding something else. :roll:

Well, I personally don't believe there were any "felonious actions" in paying off either woman via the NDA's. No more than cutting one's hair and buying a new suit to present the best picture for an election.

But this is what you are crowing about? Really?

IMO the hate is strong in those who follow this path, and you don't even realize it for what it is. :coffeepap:

The muller investigation is investigating the Russian interference, which every intelligence agency, numerous private security companies have confirmed, and many European nations have warned they do routinely.... are you denying this?

Muller has not stated any conclusions. And all his indictments have been Russia related. Most republicans in congress, and I'm sure many across the nation, support this necessary endeavor to ensure the security of our nation.

 

[Mycroft]

I'm not dumb enough to pay a lawyer megabucks to hide my legal activities, are you suggesting Trump is that dumb, but made billions?

In NYC and NJ, Donnie's illegal scams like Trump U are known by practically every adult. What American bank loaned him money after, say, 2000?

Every rich person pays someone to hide legal activities. Heck, some wealthy people pay to hide legal activities...and some illegal or unethical activities...with YOUR taxpayer money.

btw, Trump U was never judged to be an "illegal scam". In fact, it was a totally legal enterprise.

 

[jnug]

The notion that ordering people to commit crimes is itself not a crime would be a tremendous relief to every mob boss currently serving time for conspiracy.

The fact that it has to be explained that ordering people to commit crimes is a crime (along with so many other things that has to be explained) has me legitimately wondering how Trump supporters are able to go one day without immediately being thrown in prison.

Heck I wonder how Trump supporters are able to go one day to the next without being run over by their own cars in their own driveways. It takes some real effort to be as cosmically and unendingly oblivious as a Trump supporter. Lets face it, if Trump is hauled off in irons and an orange jumpsuit a good many of them will immediately intone in unison "I just don't get it. What did he do."

But it all fits doesn't it? At the deepest end of the Trump pool they are dedicated to a wholly unAmerican set of goals that they steadfastly pursue no matter how much of the actual country, the actual government that defends them is ripped apart in the process. No matter how many foreign despots and criminals they end up supporting by extension of supporting Donald, it just does not matter. At the shallow end of the Trump pool resides the old ladies and gents that have just been scared out of their wits not by actually seeing a gang banger or actually being raped but by the rhetoric thrown their way every single day as they try to fight off the delusions of old age that also often attack them everyday. In the middle is the Kansas farmer dead certain that his son is going to go off to visit those NY Elitists and come back wearing an A-line and Mules having shown no signs of being under some amount of gender pressure before those nasty NYers got hold of him.

Of course what is entirely missing from their thinking is that they have handed the WH to their absolute worst nightmare of a despicable human being an actual NY gangster as opposed to an imaginary one, a pure grafter that spends every waking minute taking as much personal wealth out of the administration of his Executive as possible and who only gets "riled" if one of his underlings takes too much without kicking his cut up to him. See Zenke et al.

That they have pushed all their chips to the middle of the table on the Donald J Trump bet is most telling. We who are not swimming at any end of the Trump pool need to understand how much of a bet they have made and what they might be willing to do to support it.

 

[<alt>doxygen]

Every rich person pays someone to hide legal activities. Heck, some wealthy people pay to hide legal activities...and some illegal or unethical activities...with YOUR taxpayer money.

btw, Trump U was never judged to be an "illegal scam". In fact, it was a totally legal enterprise.

Trump could shoot a random person and you'd still support him. Trump U was fraud. Trump never settles. Trump paid a settlement of over 25 million. <- One of those statements is false.

 

[Fletch]

The felony is paying Michael Cohen to commit a felony.

"It’s pretty basic.… A hires B to shoot someone, A is as liable as if he had pulled the trigger. You pay someone to commit a crime you are liable, criminally liable."​

-- Andrew Napolitano​

Whadda you know? Donald Trump was right: There was no collusion...There was conspiracy....I stand corrected.

Except paying hush money isnt a crime. So, there goes your theory.

 

[Mycroft]

Trump could shoot a random person and you'd still support him. Trump U was fraud. Trump never settles. Trump paid a settlement of over 25 million. <- One of those statements is false.

shrug... You tell me.

I know which fact I presented.

 

[Mycroft]

Heck I wonder how Trump supporters are able to go one day to the next without being run over by their own cars in their own driveways.

Heck I wonder how jnug is able to go one day to the next without being able to spout off with spin, speculation, innuendo and hyperbole...and a few lies...on DP.

 

[Fletch]

Well, I guess you are smarter than all the lawyers and judges then right? Why are you here instead of pimping out your obvious "superior" legal services to Trump? :lamo

Cohen pled to the charge, it was not adjudicated by judges and lawyers.

 

[bubbabgone]

The felony is paying Michael Cohen to commit a felony.

"It’s pretty basic.… A hires B to shoot someone, A is as liable as if he had pulled the trigger. You pay someone to commit a crime you are liable, criminally liable."​

-- Andrew Napolitano​

Whadda you know? Donald Trump was right: There was no collusion...There was conspiracy....I stand corrected.

Conspiracy to ... commit what crime exactly?

 

[What if...?]

I create multiple shell companies for the sole purpose of hiding illegal actions every day. I had no idea.

Thanks for your insight.

I technically speed most days. So do most people, even cops.

Yes, Trump is probably not that unusual in a crowd of old white men born into privilege who are accustomed to breaking the law and then scamming their way out of it. After all, his daddy did it. Problem is, daddy was a lot smarter - just not smart enough to make one of his other kids his tax dodge / slush bucket.

Thank god people like the trumps tend to choose attractive women who don't challenge them.

Dilutes the genes.

 

[<alt>doxygen]

Heck I wonder how Trump supporters are able to go one day to the next without being run over by their own cars in their own driveways. It takes some real effort to be as cosmically and unendingly oblivious as a Trump supporter. Lets face it, if Trump is hauled off in irons and an orange jumpsuit a good many of them will immediately intone in unison "I just don't get it. What did he do."

But it all fits doesn't it? At the deepest end of the Trump pool they are dedicated to a wholly unAmerican set of goals that they steadfastly pursue no matter how much of the actual country, the actual government that defends them is ripped apart in the process. No matter how many foreign despots and criminals they end up supporting by extension of supporting Donald, it just does not matter. At the shallow end of the Trump pool resides the old ladies and gents that have just been scared out of their wits not by actually seeing a gang banger or actually being raped but by the rhetoric thrown their way every single day as they try to fight off the delusions of old age that also often attack them everyday. In the middle is the Kansas farmer dead certain that his son is going to go off to visit those NY Elitists and come back wearing an A-line and Mules having shown no signs of being under some amount of gender pressure before those nasty NYers got hold of him.

Of course what is entirely missing from their thinking is that they have handed the WH to their absolute worst nightmare of a despicable human being an actual NY gangster as opposed to an imaginary one, a pure grafter that spends every waking minute taking as much personal wealth out of the administration of his Executive as possible and who only gets "riled" if one of his underlings takes too much without kicking his cut up to him. See Zenke et al.

That they have pushed all their chips to the middle of the table on the Donald J Trump bet is most telling. We who are not swimming at any end of the Trump pool need to understand how much of a bet they have made and what they might be willing to do to support it.

A normal brain would explode from the cognitive dissonance.

 

[Carleen]

It is almost 2019, whatever works.....who cares.....

For someone who doesn’t care your sure do post who cares a lot.

 

[<alt>doxygen]

Except paying hush money isnt a crime. So, there goes your theory.

"paying hush money" wasn't the charge.

 

[Fletch]

"paying hush money" wasn't the charge.

What is?

 

[joko104]

What we are learning is the absolute last person's you should trust or listen to for advise is your lawyer. If you follow your lawyer's advise and it was bad advise or if your lawyer does anything illegal in your name, your lawyer then accuses you of his/her actions to cover his criminal malpractice and becomes a witness against you.

Previously we learned why no one ever should hire a CPA in the Manafort case. Now we learn why your lawyer is your enemy.

 

[Grand Mal]

:lamo

The leftist desperation is SO sad. From collusion...to this.

If a client asks a LAWYER to do something that the lawyer KNOWS or BELIEVES to be illegal...it is incumbent on THE LAWYER as...you know...the LEGAL expert...to advise and refuse.

But worse...there is LITERALLY nothing illegal in this. People WILLINGLY enter into cash settlement agreements ALL THE TIME. There was no force or coercion. For once...stormy Daniels was given money to keep her mouth CLOSED instead of opening it up for someone. She wasnt forced. She wasnt compelled. She WILLINGLY agreed.

Oh look. Progress. The right has gone from protesting that there's nothing illegal about boinking a porn star to acknowledging that the payoff is the issue. Payoffs, plural. Next up- facing two other facts. First, the fact the payoff was made means Trump is vunerable to blackmail and second, who else has been paid off and why?
There's also some quibbling to be done about the source of the money and whether it could be called 'campaign funds' but that's a job for lawyers. They love that kind of thing

 

[Rogue Valley]

:lamo

The leftist desperation is SO sad. From collusion...to this.

If a client asks a LAWYER to do something that the lawyer KNOWS or BELIEVES to be illegal...it is incumbent on THE LAWYER as...you know...the LEGAL expert...to advise and refuse.

But worse...there is LITERALLY nothing illegal in this. People WILLINGLY enter into cash settlement agreements ALL THE TIME. There was no force or coercion. For once...stormy Daniels was given money to keep her mouth CLOSED instead of opening it up for someone. She wasnt forced. She wasnt compelled. She WILLINGLY agreed.

Any secret/hidden payment meant to influence a federal election is illegal and a felony.

Basic Law 101.

 

[Praxas]

What is?

Tax fraud, Making false statements to a financial institution, Unlawful corporate contributions and Excessive campaign contributions.

 

[Xelor]

The felony is paying Michael Cohen to commit a felony.

"It’s pretty basic.… A hires B to shoot someone, A is as liable as if he had pulled the trigger. You pay someone to commit a crime you are liable, criminally liable."​

-- Andrew Napolitano​

Whadda you know? Donald Trump was right: There was no collusion...There was conspiracy....I stand corrected.

Conspiracy to ... commit what crime exactly?

If I don't tell you what specific statue he conspired to violate, does my not doing so make his behavior be not a crime?

• Conspiracy: The Criminal Agreement, in Theoryand in Practice
• Federal Criminal Conspiracy
• Donald Trump and Criminal Conspiracy Law

The fact is that DoJ attorneys whom Trump appointed, not I, are the one's leading and conducting criminal investigations of Trump's various behaviors and behavior patterns, and those individuals don't share with me the body of information they've gathered and with regard to what code sections they have or seek information. Some candidates for what criminal acts the DoJ may be of a mind Trump committed and/or conspired to commit include:

1. Conspiracy to Commit Offense or to Defraud the United States, 18 U.S.C. § 371
2. Computer Fraud and Abuse Act ("CFAA"), 18 U.S.C § 1030
3. Federal Wiretap Act, 18 U.S.C. § 2511
4. Contributions and Donations by Foreign Nationals, 52 U.S.C. § 30121
5. Bribery of Public Officials and Witnesses, 18 U.S.C. § 201(b)(2)
6. Misprision of Felony, 18 U.S.C. § 4

As you can see from #1 above, conspiring to commit any violation indicated in the USC is criminal, and as you will find from reading this post's first two listed documents, guilt of criminal conspiracy doesn't require the "underlying" criminal act be completed or even commenced.

The assertions DoJ prosecutors made in the various documents they submitted to the Court note tacitly that Trump conspired with Cohen to commit the election crimes (related charging document -- don't forget that Cohen was charged and pled guilty to charges levied by two separate units of the DoJ) for which Cohen has now been convicted. A key reason the public hasn't seen the specific evidential materials showing Trump and Cohen conspired is Cohen's guilty plea obviated prosecutors' need to present it in court.

 

[Mr Person]

"paying hush money" wasn't the charge.

What is?

What's it like having to constantly lie about things in common knowledge, Fletch? I can think of better ways to spend a Sunday...




You know perfectly well this is all about campaign finance law.

:shrug:

 

[<alt>doxygen]

What's it like having to constantly lie about things in common knowledge, Fletch? I can think of better ways to spend a Sunday...




You know perfectly well this is all about campaign finance law.

:shrug:

Trump just paid his lawyers to create 6 shell companies to make payments because that was easier than simply writing one check. Nothin' to hide...

Trumpers think that if Trump did it, it was legal.:roll: