scottm123 said:
I don't see how people can be so cold toward something that is human,
Well, YOU are cold towards the woman. I don't see how you can place her beneath a non-thinking, non-feeling tissue mass?
and you can sit there and pretend its not human all you want
I am not, so please don't misrepresent me. That is very rude and will very fast get you branded as a liar. So please don't do that, ok?
but it is made of human cells and will be human one day and is alive so i don't know what else to clasify it as.
And I didn't challenge your use of "human" as classification either, so you are arguing against something I didn't say. Please read more carefully next time. The words used DOES matter, especially in the abortion forum.
And i'm sick of hearing people say things like the fetus is hurting the women's rights or coming at the expense of the women.
But it is. I am sorry that you are sick of hearing facts, sick of hearing reality. That doesn't bode well for your ability to handle discussions in this forum.
Not until birth, it isn't. Remember how I said that the words you use do matter here? "Child" is a developmental stage beginning after birth. Please don't misrepresent it this way, thanks.
Sure sounds like "her property," then.
It really isn't an "offspring" until it has "sprung off," until it is born.
And yes the fetus's right do come at cost to the mother
Again, she really isn't a mother until the birth. But other than that, thank you for FINALLY being a PL who admits that their position involved placing the embryo's rights at the expense of the woman's rights. So few PL are willing to admit such misogyny.
but don't poor people rights come at a cost to the wealthy people who pay taxes that go to welfare, don't illegal immigrants rights to go to public school cost every student by giving them less funding and a worste education, yes. people all over this country make sacrifices that at times do infringe on one's rights but it is for the good of something else
You are talking about financial sacrifice, not being forced to give of your bodily resources. If you had examples of people being forced to give blood or give their extra kidney, THEN you would have a point.
That aside, the embryo or fetuses are not persons, so your argument frankly doesn't matter.