Western arms convoys to Ukraine are ‘legitimate targets,’ Muscovite warns

[Litwin]

Western arms convoys to Ukraine are ‘legitimate targets,’ Muscovite warns​

Western arms convoys to Ukraine are 'legitimate targets,' Russia warns

Russia has warned the West against sending further weapons to Ukraine, saying such arms convoys could now be considered "legitimate targets" for Russian forces.

www.cnbc.com

Nigeria with snow (with 1% of the world GDP) has belied that its still a supper power

 

[TheParser]

To be fair, the monster may have a point.

Even some Americans are asking, "Why is it OK to send other weapons to Ukraine but not jet fighters?"

Yes, jet fighters could shoot down Russian planes, and then we would be in World War III, it is claimed.

But other weapons can also kill Russian soldiers (supposedly many have already been killed).

So if the monster attacks other weapons (besides any jet planes), maybe we should not be surprised.

His attacking civilians seems to be the main bone of contention. As it should be!

 

[Litwin]

To be fair, the monster may have a point.

Even some Americans are asking, "Why is it OK to send other weapons to Ukraine but not jet fighters?"

Yes, jet fighters could shoot down Russian planes, and then we would be in World War III, it is claimed.

But other weapons can also kill Russian soldiers (supposedly many have already been killed).

So if the monster attacks other weapons (besides any jet planes), maybe we should not be surprised.

His attacking civilians seems to be the main bone of contention. As it should be!

many good points

whats about anti- air defense ? maned by our professionals , as far as i know Brits send some modern systems to Ukraine .

 

[VySky]

Western arms convoys to Ukraine are ‘legitimate targets,’ Muscovite warns​

Western arms convoys to Ukraine are 'legitimate targets,' Russia warns

Russia has warned the West against sending further weapons to Ukraine, saying such arms convoys could now be considered "legitimate targets" for Russian forces.

www.cnbc.com

Nigeria with snow (with 1% of the world GDP) has belied that its still a supper power

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Isn’t this obvious?

I’m surprised Putin has let the West feed Ukraine. But governments do stupid things like relying on adversaries for our critical needs.

 

[PoS]

I guess this makes the issue of whether to send Polish MIGs to the Ukrainians as an escalation is now moot.

Personally, I think that if a single Russian shell or missile lands in NATO territory, then its on. No more turning back.

 

[VySky]

I guess this makes the issue of whether to send Polish MIGs to the Ukrainians as an escalation is now moot.

Personally, I think that if a single Russian shell or missile lands in NATO territory, then its on. No more turning back.

I agree. The no fly zone is how we inch in. Just like the one we put in Iraq early on. It was routinely violated.

 

[Litwin]

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

Western arms convoys to Ukraine are ‘legitimate targets,’ Muscovite warns​

Western arms convoys to Ukraine are 'legitimate targets,' Russia warns

Russia has warned the West against sending further weapons to Ukraine, saying such arms convoys could now be considered "legitimate targets" for Russian forces.

www.cnbc.com

Nigeria with snow (with 1% of the world GDP) has belied that its still a supper power

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This may be how we are drug into this war. In his desperation putin may attack convoys of weapons before they reach Ukraine as in within a NATO country. What do we do then?

 

[Litwin]

This may be how we are drug into this war. In his desperation putin may attack convoys of weapons before they reach Ukraine as in within a NATO country. What do we do then?

+1, desperation ....

 

[The Mark]

To be fair, the monster may have a point.

Even some Americans are asking, "Why is it OK to send other weapons to Ukraine but not jet fighters?"

Yes, jet fighters could shoot down Russian planes, and then we would be in World War III, it is claimed.

But other weapons can also kill Russian soldiers (supposedly many have already been killed).

So if the monster attacks other weapons (besides any jet planes), maybe we should not be surprised.

His attacking civilians seems to be the main bone of contention. As it should be!

Jet fighters are more obvious and blatant?

Also, depending on what exact plane we're talking about, you might only get a few for the price of the arms sent so far.

And they have to have a base, which then needs to be protected from Russia taking it out.

Jet fighters/bombers are more of a conventional arm, and the Ukrainian war may transition to unconventional warfare at some point, making them less applicable.

 

[slavablueberryjam]

They say the Russians supplied Iraq during the '03 campaign and the Americans told them to stop or else. The Russians stopped. America won't stop because the power differences are really noticeable. Russia is going to lose a lot of soldiers, if their strategy is to go into cities instead of starving them.

 

[jgarden47]

1) Apparently Vladimir Putin didn't get the memo that when a supposed world-class military power has been reduced to standstill by the armed forces of a "LIGHTWEIGHT" like Ukraine, Russia has already lost all credibility that it's capable of threatening anybody - especially NATO!

2) Given that America, just one of NATO's 30 members, budgets more for it's military in a month, than Russia spends in a year, apparently Putin is the only one who's unaware that he's picking a fight "far beyond his weight class!"

3) History is repeating itself - in 1939, the USSR attempted to invade Finland, suffering 400,000 casualties in 3 1/2 months!

4) This humiliating fiasco, on the international stage, didn't pass unnoticed - convinced the USSR incapable of mounting a credible defense against a real world-class military, just 15 months after Russia signed a peace treaty with Finland. Hitler unleashed "Operation Barbarossa!"

5) Just as with Stalin's attack on Finland, the "unintended consequences" of Putin's attempt to invade the Ukraine could be to embolden Russia's neighbors in general, and China in particular, to make their own demands on the Kremlin!

 

[Metric Mouse]

I guess this makes the issue of whether to send Polish MIGs to the Ukrainians as an escalation is now moot.

Personally, I think that if a single Russian shell or missile lands in NATO territory, then its on. No more turning back.

Unfortunately, drones have already flown over NATO airspace, with at least one exploding inside a city. Thankfully, NATO hasn't escalated.

 

[dcsports]

To be fair, the monster may have a point.

Even some Americans are asking, "Why is it OK to send other weapons to Ukraine but not jet fighters?"

Yes, jet fighters could shoot down Russian planes, and then we would be in World War III, it is claimed.

But other weapons can also kill Russian soldiers (supposedly many have already been killed).

So if the monster attacks other weapons (besides any jet planes), maybe we should not be surprised.

His attacking civilians seems to be the main bone of contention. As it should be!

That's a good question. It's not really clear why Russia would be so concerned either - given that these would be a handful (23) of 30-40 year old fighters developed in the `970s -flown by second string pilots. It seems like Russian fighters and air defense systems could easily detect and take them out,

An American who owns a MiG-29 isn't sure the fighter jets would help Ukraine much

A billionaire astronaut who helped train U.S. fighter pilots loves his high-performance Soviet jet but thinks it's no match for Russia's newer planes.

www.nbcnews.com

Poland's MiG-29 fighter jets unlikely to be used in Ukraine due to Nato alliance

The US has rejected Poland's offer of the Mig-29s claiming it would not be 'tenable' to fly them from Nato territory into a war zone

inews.co.uk

 

[PoS]

Unfortunately, drones have already flown over NATO airspace, with at least one exploding inside a city. Thankfully, NATO hasn't escalated.

If any of those drone crashes were intentional, I would say NATO ought to act.

 

[Metric Mouse]

If any of those drone crashes were intentional, I would say NATO ought to act.

Well, that's good motivation for NATO to not worry if they were intentional and simply classify all of them as happy little accidents.

 

[DerekD]

They say the Russians supplied Iraq during the '03 campaign and the Americans told them to stop or else. The Russians stopped. America won't stop because the power differences are really noticeable. Russia is going to lose a lot of soldiers, if their strategy is to go into cities instead of starving them.

The war is now changing because the Russians advances have been thwarted in most of the cities. They aren't concerning themselves really in engaging in urban warfare, especially in regard to Kyiv. However, they have surrounded Mariupol and are causing starvation-it's brutal. As you may have noticed, Putin is now hellbent on firing long range missiles and shelling into cities. It now appears that his strategy is to level all of them. The destruction and suffering is immeasurable-I'm so frustrated because Ukraine needs better anti-missile systems immediately. Actually a whole host of weapons above what they've been getting. Putin will continue on and destroy most of the infrastructure of the country is he isn't stopped.

 

[slavablueberryjam]

The war is now changing because the Russians advances have been thwarted in most of the cities. They aren't concerning themselves really in engaging in urban warfare, especially in regard to Kyiv. However, they have surrounded Mariupol and are causing starvation-it's brutal. As you may have noticed, Putin is now hellbent on firing long range missiles and shelling into cities. It now appears that his strategy is to level all of them. The destruction and suffering is immeasurable-I'm so frustrated because Ukraine needs better anti-missile systems immediately. Actually a whole host of weapons above what they've been getting. Putin will continue on and destroy most of the infrastructure of the country is he isn't stopped.

If you saw what he did to Chechnya the second time. It would not have come as a surprise that he was going to level the cities as much as he can. That was his plan the whole time...after figuring out the Ukrainians did not bend over.

 

[roguenuke]

So the movie Tank seriously is what I think of when it comes to this situation.

Spoiler: Tank movie info

It is the end of the movie, and they are stuck in the mud just before the Tennessee state line. The tank has a disabled track, so can't move itself, and there is a huge crowd on the other side of the line, rooting on Garner's character and his son, but if they cross the line, into Georgia, they now could be seen as aiding a criminal. The sheriff (antagonist) has his guys trying to wait out those in the tank, hoping to get them to surrender because he knows he has the judge (his brother in law) on his side and has already played absolutely dirty, more than willing to kill people, make it look like they were shot trying to escape if they don't agree to what he wants.

One part in particular stands out here as relating, when the crowd finally works together to start pulling it over the state line, after a biker risked his own hide to cross the line and get them hooked up. The sheriff orders his deputies to shoot into the crowd and the officers from Tennessee basically say they will shoot back at the maybe dozen deputies and the sheriff for doing that. But no other actual authority will stop this sheriff. Not the federal government, not the state government of Georgia.

They have to make it to Tennessee to get any assistance.

And that is why the situation in Ukraine makes me think of this movie because of the metaphor that can be shown between a situation today and a movie that was made in 1984. The similarities between them having to reach this goal in order to get assistance or having the antagonist cross that one line for any sort of action to be taken against him by those others who hold authority.

Tank

Tank is a 1984 action-dramedy film starring James Garner (from The Great Escape and The Rockford Files primarily, but also the antagonist of Atlantis: The Lost Empire), Shirley Jones (The Partridge Family; Oklahoma!) and C. Thomas Howell (Red …

tvtropes.org

 

[MauiMan]

I guess this makes the issue of whether to send Polish MIGs to the Ukrainians as an escalation is now moot.

Personally, I think that if a single Russian shell or missile lands in NATO territory, then its on. No more turning back.

How far would you go? Drive Russia out of Ukraine, or go all the way to Moscow and capture Putin?

 

[Deuce]

Posturing. Putin knows better than to actually fire on NATO members.

 

[PoS]

How far would you go? Drive Russia out of Ukraine, or go all the way to Moscow and capture Putin?

Just get Russia out of Ukraine, but if Putin wants to keep on going, then keep up the pressure until he gets overthrown by his own people.

 

[MauiMan]

Just get Russia out of Ukraine, but if Putin wants to keep on going, then keep up the pressure until he gets overthrown by his own people.

How do you feel about Putin’s tactical nuclear weapons strategy?

 

[PoS]

How do you feel about Putin’s tactical nuclear weapons strategy?

We've got nukes too.

 

[MauiMan]

We've got nukes too.

If NATO forces entered the conflict and Putin responded with tactical nuclear strikes, what would come next? Would we risk Washington and New York to dislodge Putin from Ukraine?