West promised not to expand NATO – Der Spiegel

[mrjurrs]

Does the US have the right to turn over Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq, Syria? It seems that no one has ever given such a right anywhere.

I'm not going to defend American intervention in any of those areas, but being there as a result of an invitation or an attack on American forces does give a nation the 'right' to go in. Any examples of Ukrainians attacking Russia or inviting them in?

 

[Rexedgar]

Which proves that Putin is one dumb son of a bitch.

Not a Russia supporter, but Putin may be many things, but dumb isn’t one of them, imo.

 

[Roadvirus]

Not a Russia supporter, but Putin may be many things, but dumb isn’t one of them, imo.

He has zero idea (or it could be he doesn't care) how this burr up his ass is going to negatively effect the Russian people.

 

[Rexedgar]

He has zero idea (or it could be he doesn't care) how this burr up his ass is going to negatively effect the Russian people.

He recently upped the retirement age in his country. Which of your two choices do you reckon is it?

 

[bomberfox]

Please show the treaty or other document that has the force of law.

Also it is the duty of the western world to spread human rights to countries of a lesser moral order.

We make treaties like this all the time with dictatorial countries.

 

[Slartibartfast]

We make treaties like this all the time with dictatorial countries.

yeah i know, I hate it

 

[bomberfox]

He has zero idea (or it could be he doesn't care) how this burr up his ass is going to negatively effect the Russian people.

Seems like a tradition in Russian heads of state. Having a burr up their ass.

 

[bomberfox]

yeah i know, I hate it

Some work and some dont. The Iran nuclear treaty worked.

 

[Grand Mal]

We make treaties like this all the time with dictatorial countries.

Yeah, but this particular agreement was made with a different country, not Russia. Or does every agreement with the USSR now apply to each of the former Soviet republics?

 

[noonereal]

German magazine Der Spiegel on Friday < ---source

West promised not to expand NATO – Der Spiegel

Newly discovered document proves existence of pledge not to expand NATO eastward towards Russia, proving Moscow right

www.rt.com

The minutes of a March 6, 1991 meeting in Bonn between political directors of the foreign ministries of the US, UK, France, and Germany contain multiple references to “2+4” talks on German unification in which the Western officials made it “clear” to the Soviet Union that NATO would not push into territory east of Germany.

“We made it clear to the Soviet Union – in the 2+4 talks, as well as in other negotiations – that we do not intend to benefit from the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Eastern Europe,” the document quotes US Assistant Secretary of State for Europe and Canada Raymond Seitz.

“NATO should not expand to the east, either officially or unofficially,” Seitz added.

A British representative also mentions the existence of a “general agreement” that membership of NATO for eastern European countries is “unacceptable.”

“We had made it clear during the 2+4 negotiations that we would not extend NATO beyond the Elbe [sic],” said West German diplomat Juergen Hrobog. “We could not therefore offer Poland and others membership in NATO.”

I am not sure what kind of propaganda you have dug up here but this is nonsense. Just a few hours ago I read about this in depth. Russia had asked this during fall of the USSR and again of Clinton. He offer no such guarantees in even in "gentlemen" terms. It was asked because no formal agreement from NATO came forth as wanted.

That said, this has clearly been a security issue for Russia since the early 90s and understandably so.

 

[bomberfox]

Yeah, but this particular agreement was made with a different country, not Russia. Or does every agreement with the USSR now apply to each of the former Soviet republics?

Good point.

 

[Schrott]

Yeah, but this particular agreement was made with a different country, not Russia. Or does every agreement with the USSR now apply to each of the former Soviet republics?

There is no agreement. They talked about it, but nothing more. Nowhere in the final contract, does it say " no NATO expansion ".
The final contract is about East Germany, about which weapons could be stationed there. No nukes for example. When this contract was signed there was still a Warsaw pact and a Soviet Union and a East Germany.
East Germany thought, that they could keep the country going, which was not possible, it collapsed. West Germany just took over, annexed East Germany.
Ended the farce quiet rudely, no military involved, just the power of money and that stubborn Kanzler Kohl.