We're done for

[Helix]

Tweety has been ruining our national reputation for years. It isn't a new thing.

 

[sjmay]

No but he should respect international agreements and treaties and follow agreed procedures and processes. He can act unilaterally if he wants but as we can see he loses trust and an ability to partner.

If like Trump you think the US can do what it wants then just watch where that goes, for example the bulk of the world's rare earth elements are mined in China...

Curious, if that's the case, WTF are you doing here, wouldn't you be much better in China, because apparently, they are beloved world round?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

America First -- not hard to understand. :rock

But we're not first.

For example we are dependent on China for rare earth elements without these you can kiss goodbye to your precious cellphone.

 

[nitroexpress]

This thread is about America's reputation under Trump, not a pissing contest. Try to keep up.

America's reputation? Everyone loves us when we give them money. When they have to pay the bills, they get pissy.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Curious, if that's the case, WTF are you doing here, wouldn't you be much better in China, because apparently, they are beloved world round?

If what's the case? do you dispute something I wrote? also please don't get emotional, if you can't stand the head then get out of the kitchen.

 

[sjmay]

If what's the case? do you dispute something I wrote? also please don't get emotional, if you can't stand the head then get out of the kitchen.

Well ****, if you think that America's reputation is stained, why the **** are you there? It's a simple enough question....

But yea, in a pandemic where Trump is being **** on for not moving fast enough, you wanted him to stop, ask permission, follow treaty's etc, because ****...time isn't of the essence, until you bitch that it is?

Sorry, countries like France and Germany are hurt that travel was stopped, boo ****ing hoo, grow a pair.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

America's reputation? Everyone loves us when we give them money. When they have to pay the bills, they get pissy.

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This is laughable, the US has a huge national debt, we OWE huge amounts to foreign nations China among them.

We have been borrowing vast amounts to finance our escapades and we owe huge amounts, if you actually think we owed by others then you need to do some reading about our national debt.

 

[KevinKohler]

Fact is a new world will emerge and it will be one where the US has less control over, fewer nations willing to work with it.

By the time Dumald is gone it will be too late, the US will become an also-ran and the new international structures will not include the US as a dominant player, while Dumald is having seizures on camera these nations are already planning this, it will be too late.

We had a strong position and Dumald has thrown it away, we'll never get it back.

As long as companies want American consumers for customers, your prediction will not come true.

 

[Michael Cole]

America First -- not hard to understand. :rock

Ok. Don't know ya and don't see any clues. Sarcasm? Please tell me it's sarcasm.

If not, get back to me at the Olympics. We're discussing foreign policy.

 

[Michael Cole]

Oh wait, so in order to stop a pandemic, you think he should have asked permission first? What the **** is that?

:lamo

No. That's not what I wrote, nor think. Maybe you should read the article before we discuss it.

 

[KevinKohler]

But we're not first.

For example we are dependent on China for rare earth elements without these you can kiss goodbye to your precious cellphone.

What good are those resources without someone to buy them?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Well ****, if you think that America's reputation is stained, why the **** are you there? It's a simple enough question....

I live here.

But yea, in a pandemic where Trump is being **** on for not moving fast enough, you wanted him to stop, ask permission, follow treaty's etc, because ****...time isn't of the essence, until you bitch that it is?

The speed or lack thereof, that Dumald has moved at home is not constrained in any way by international treaties but by his arrogance and stubbornness.

No foreign nation made Dumald refer to this as a "hoax" no foreign nation made Dumald waffle and stumble around during his press conferences, no foreign nation made Dumald whine about "nasty" questions when he doesn't want to answer.

Sorry, countries like France and Germany are hurt that travel was stopped, boo ****ing hoo, grow a pair.

Again you're getting emotional.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

What good are those resources without someone to buy them?

You miss the point, we are very dependent on many other countries, institutions, governments for our quality of life here, the world is interdependent.

When the leader of a once respected nation starts having tantrums and throwing his toys out of the crib then others are going to move on.

If the US cannot be relied upon then it won't be relied upon, others will take that place and you'll be left out in the cold.

This is already underway but you probably won't know because Fox don't cover such news.

 

[Michael Cole]

This thread is about America's reputation under Trump, not a pissing contest. Try to keep up.

Some of the replies - everywhere around here - are so removed from relevance that it's hard to believe a human wrote it. Is it straight up AI? An app? A Trumpist handbook?

I always look for sarcasm. Wildly obtuse dry humor can be hilarious. Some of the less obtuse statements can be poe-ish. I just fell for one, and had to ask. Awaiting an answer now. :lol:

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Not one to be outdone by any adversary, Donald Trump has upped the ante in a rapidly escalating trade war with China, threatening an additional $100 billion of tariffs on top of the initial round of $50 billion. In doing so, the Trump administration is failing to appreciate a crucial reality: The United States needs China more than China needs the U.S.

Yes, China is still an export-led economy, and the American consumer is its largest customer. But China’s export share of its gross domestic product has fallen from 37 percent in 2007 to slightly less than 20 percent today, an important outgrowth of a decade-long rebalancing. By drawing increased support from domestic demand, China is better able to withstand the pressure of tariffs and other actions that are aimed at its exporters.

Not so with the United States. The U.S. depends heavily on China for providing the low-cost goods that enable income-constrained American consumers to make ends meet. The U.S. also depends on China to support its own exports; next to Mexico and Canada, China is America’s third largest and by far its most rapidly growing major export market.

And, of course, the U.S. depends on China to provide funding for its budget deficits. It is the largest foreign holder of U.S. Treasury securities – some $1.3 trillion in direct ownership and at least another $250 billion of quasi-government paper. A lack of Chinese buying could turn the next Treasury auction into a rout.

America depends on China because of a fundamental weakness in the structure of the U.S. economy -- a profound and worrisome lack of domestic saving. In the fourth quarter of 2017, the net domestic saving rate (depreciation-adjusted saving of households, businesses and the government sector, combined) was just 1.3% of national income.

Lacking in savings at home, and wanting to consume and grow, the U.S. must import surplus foreign saving from abroad – and run massive balance-of-payments and trade deficits to import this capital. In 2017, the United States had merchandise trade deficits with 102 nations!

President Donald Trump continues to single out China as the villain in the great American tragedy, when in fact he should take a careful look in the mirror.

From here.

Please feel free to point out any suspected factual errors.

 

[apdst]

When was the last time you did that-and think carefully before you answer because I already know what you're going to say.

The past 100-odd-years: WW1, WW2, The Cold War, The War on Terrorism and now, kung flu. You're welcome in advance.

 

[apdst]

This thread is about America's reputation under Trump, not a pissing contest. Try to keep up.

Our reputation will become even more glorious, after we save the planet from the kung flu.

 

[KevinKohler]

You miss the point, we are very dependent on many other countries, institutions, governments for our quality of life here, the world is interdependent.

When the leader of a once respected nation starts having tantrums and throwing his toys out of the crib then others are going to move on.

If the US cannot be relied upon then it won't be relied upon, others will take that place and you'll be left out in the cold.

This is already underway but you probably won't know because Fox don't cover such news.

Back at you.

When leaders of other once respected nations renege on agreements, manipulate their currency, make policy that favors their domestic goods over others in international trade, impose tariffs, etc etc etc...

...like most of Europe has done for the last half century...

You can expect someone like Trump to get into office.

You're either a complete globalist, or severely uninformed.

 

[MSgt]

And they'll change their tune when we come to save their asses, again. We'll be the saviors of the planet.

You see, this is exactly why you have lost your way.

You have tied your shallow ideas of patriotism to a draft-dodging piece of **** like Donald Trump, who has absolutely no idea what it takes to wear what you did, in such a way that a criticism towards him equals an attack on you. Because of this, you immediately rush to "defend America" as if the article is about criticizing America.

And saviors of the planet?

- We are the idiots who exaggerated the Soviet Union threat to such a degree that we regarded nationalist and non-aligned movements as communist threats, thereby legitimizing our crusade to ruin democracies and strengthen strong-men all over the planet.

- We are the idiots who once led the world into the scientific truth of Global Warming in the 1970s and 1980s, but fifteen years later began pretending that it is all a hoax because the science wasn't in the best interests of Big Business energy companies.

- We are the idiots who once believed that simply taking out a dictator in the Middle East would magically create perfect democracy, thus sparking region-wide democracy, but when the Arab Spring gave us exactly that possibility seven years later, we simply shrugged and declared that "they can't do democracy."

- We are the idiots who cheered for massive permanent tax-cuts for the wealthy in 2017, giving them license to escape paying taxes on almost a trillion dollars in 2018, while accompanying that with significant increases in government spending, sending debt unsustainable through the roof with no end in sight.

- We are the idiots who pretended that the Coronavirus was an exaggerated hoax for months, even as foreign governments were settling into actually trying to address it, with a Chinese billionaire offering to donate 500,000 test kits to Americans because their government would rather play domestic partisan games.

Saviors of the planet? We don't have a lot to be proud of anymore, especially because conservatives have made it a two decade point to take what was great about America and began crapping all over it in the name of a perverted sense of "patriotism." The whole thing makes me think of De Gaulle's almost two-decade desperation to cling to what used to pass for glory in the expired French empire. We are no where near our end, but you conservatives seem dead-set on getting us their faster.

 

[Michael Cole]

Back at you.

When leaders of other once respected nations renege on agreements, manipulate their currency, make policy that favors their domestic goods over others in international trade, impose tariffs, etc etc etc...

...like most of Europe has done for the last half century...

You can expect someone like Trump to get into office.

You're either a complete globalist, or severely uninformed.

The economy is global, regardless of what any of us thinks about it. Free trade is a conservative issue, supported by Republicans for decades. What changed?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Back at you.

When leaders of other once respected nations renege on agreements, manipulate their currency, make policy that favors their domestic goods over others in international trade, impose tariffs, etc etc etc...
...like most of Europe has done for the last half century...

So the nasty world has been picking on itw Amewica? Please give some example of this just for the record at least.

The US has been the driving force behind the decimation of numerous Arab nations leading to huge refugee problems within the EU, it even stooped to supporting the terrorist Islamic KLA who were running around bombing police stations in Serbia, the final phase of the destruction of Yugoslavia, a geopolitical project headed by the US.

Every military escapade that has involved the EU or NATO members has been initiated, driven and dominated by the US.

You can expect someone like Trump to get into office.

Dumald wasn't elected because of anything to do with foreign relations but because of domestic voter disillusionment with the tired two party dictatorship where Republicans and Democrats are largely indistinguishable. The US public are the least informed when it comes to foreign news so I don't see how that could have ever influenced the election.

You're either a complete globalist, or severely uninformed.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

You see, this is exactly why you have lost your way.

You have tied your shallow ideas of patriotism to a draft-dodging piece of **** like Donald Trump, who has absolutely no idea what it takes to wear what you did, in such a way that a criticism towards him equals an attack on you. Because of this, you immediately rush to "defend America" as if the article is about criticizing America.

And saviors of the planet?

- We are the idiots who exaggerated the Soviet Union threat to such a degree that we regarded nationalist and non-aligned movements as communist threats, thereby legitimizing our crusade to ruin democracies and strengthen strong-men all over the planet.

- We are the idiots who once led the world into the scientific truth of Global Warming in the 1970s and 1980s, but fifteen years later began pretending that it is all a hoax because the science wasn't in the best interests of Big Business energy companies.

- We are the idiots who once believed that simply taking out a dictator in the Middle East would magically create perfect democracy, thus sparking region-wide democracy, but when the Arab Spring gave us exactly that possibility seven years later, we simply shrugged and declared that "they can't do democracy."

- We are the idiots who cheered for massive permanent tax-cuts for the wealthy in 2017, giving them license to escape paying taxes on almost a trillion dollars in 2018, while accompanying that with significant increases in government spending, sending debt unsustainable through the roof with no end in sight.

- We are the idiots who pretended that the Coronavirus was an exaggerated hoax for months, even as foreign governments were settling into actually trying to address it, with a Chinese billionaire offering to donate 500,000 test kits to Americans because their government would rather play domestic partisan games.

Saviors of the planet? We don't have a lot to be proud of anymore, especially because conservatives have made it a two decade point to take what was great about America and began crapping all over it in the name of a perverted sense of "patriotism." The whole thing makes me think of De Gaulle's almost two-decade desperation to cling to what used to pass for glory in the expired French empire. We are no where near our end, but you conservatives seem dead-set on getting us their faster.

What a truly sobering post, sad but true.

 

[Glitch]

That's not what the article is about.

You should read it. It's 100% anti-Trump and 100% non-partisan. (The words "democrat" and "republican" appear nowhere in the text.)

It is by the Guardian for pete sake. I mean is it even possible to find a source that is less credible than the Guardian? They habitually lie as often as CNN, and twice as much as NBC, ABC, or CBS. It is understandable why the OP chose not to include the link to his source, it would have been laughed at for believing such blatant stupidity.

The Guardian as a source. ROFLMAO! :lamo

You really have to be dumber than stupid to cite the Guardian as a credible source.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

It is by the Guardian for pete sake. I mean is it even possible to find a source that is less credible than the Guardian? They habitually lie as often as CNN, and twice as much as NBC, ABC, or CBS. It is understandable why the OP chose not to include the link to his source, it would have been laughed at for believing such blatant stupidity.

The Guardian as a source. ROFLMAO! :lamo

You really have to be dumber than stupid to cite the Guardian as a credible source.

All newspapers are biased, Noam Chomsky demonstrated this with detailed analysis and data many years ago, it's old news.

But this doesn't mean that everything within them is false, if you beleive that Guardian article contains a factual error (and it might) then please tell us all about it so we can research it ourselves.

I've written and complained to the Guardian and numeorus newspapers over the years, yes they are biased but you cannot use that fact to then argue that they everything they say is false!

 

[Glitch]

All newspapers are biased, Noam Chomsky demonstrated this with detailed analysis and data many years ago, it's old news.

But this doesn't mean that everything within them is false, if you beleive that Guardian article contains a factual error (and it might) then please tell us all about it so we can research it ourselves.

I've written and complained to the Guardian and numeorus newspapers over the years, yes they are biased but you cannot use that fact to then argue that they everything they say is false!

Actually, I can. I dismiss the Guardian and numerous other blatantly leftist rags out of hand. I won't click any of their links, read any of their articles, or believe anyone who cites from such disreputable leftist publications. It is a shame that you do.