Well the false flag has begun

[Razoo]

I'll be fighting traitor Republicans before I fight Russians. After all, Trumpsters are the bigger threat to our democracy.

I love that thought ........

 

[RaleBulgarian]

I think it's time for you to enlist and show some genuine resolve against all those GoPutins.

The Army needs a few good men.

That’s the Marines. Damn, man.

 

[ElChupacabra]

What is the 'if accurate' you mention? If Russia's making the claims is accurate? Or if the acts they allege are accurate? I don't think there's much 'if accurate' involved. It seems clearly to be the pretenses the US has been saying they'd do.

The bolded. I don't put much stock in what Russia claims, but there's always some benefit of the doubt I allow.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Wars never start when an aggressor pushes. Wars start when a defender pushes back.

WTF??

 

[CaughtInThe]

Yes indeed.

that's interesting. some peoples are simply not worth it.

 

[WIGDViking]

I'll be fighting traitor Republicans before I fight Russians. After all, Trumpsters are the bigger threat to our democracy.

Fight one hour fighting them both…

 

[independentusa]

The bolded. I don't put much stock in what Russia claims, but there's always some benefit of the doubt I allow.

Today Putin said what he really wants, Ukraine as part of Russia. That is what this is all about. his troops, the peacekeepers, will push West into land occupied by the Ukraine government and say they are taking back land belonging to the new countries he has made. Then he will continue on until he has taken the whole country.

 

[Airyaman]

I have no idea what specifics context the OP is referring to, but for those of you who are interested, Putin has just ordered troops to the separatist regions to act as "peacekeepers".

Luhansk and Donetsk regions recognised as independent states by Russia – as it happened

Russian president has recognised Ukraine’s Luhansk and Donetsk regions as independent states: Zelenskiy says ‘we are not afraid’. Follow the latest updates

www.theguardian.com

Has Russia One-Upped the United States?

U.S intelligence says Russia is likely invading Ukraine. U.S. intelligence was wrong on Afghanistan and it appears they are going to be wrong on Russia. Has Putin exposed the West as weak peacocking leaders? Justin Trudeau is going to war against peaceful truckers, doing things that a...

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Is Russian Invasion of Ukraine the False Flag Biden talked About?

Could be. The only ones who have been talking invasion is Biden. Why you ask? So he can claim victory later by proclaiming he adverted WW3 if these are indeed just drills. So if no invasion look for that message to be pushed by the WH and MSM. Totally feasible

debatepolitics.com

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

[Jay59]

Sorry but that might just be the dumbest statement about war I have ever heard

I'm sorry that your education was deficient. Hopefully, you can learn to cope without the advantages others may have.

"short leash" and "let loose" are mutually contradictory stances to hold.

They are not contradictory or mutually exclusive. You will note that there was an exception made to the short leash comment.

Trump did not prefer "diplomacy", he preferred unilateral action. His sole major diplomatic overture towards North Korea ended up accomplishing nothing.

Now you are being contradictory. Unilateral action to produce an advantageous agreement is exactly diplomacy.

 

[Craig234]

The bolded. I don't put much stock in what Russia claims, but there's always some benefit of the doubt I allow.

You said you mean, whether it's accurate that Russia made the claims, but your comments suggest you meant whether the claims are accurate.

 

[Craig234]

maybe we can talk China into annexing North Korea.

China is getting more and more like North Korea.

 

[Jredbaron96]

They are not contradictory or mutually exclusive. You will note that there was an exception made to the short leash comment.

The "exception" was the "norm".

Now you are being contradictory. Unilateral action to produce an advantageous agreement is exactly diplomacy.

Diplomacy requires two parties. Unilateral action does not, hence the "uni" in "unilateral".

 

[Jay59]

The "exception" was the "norm".

Unfortunately, you aren't joking. It should be sufficient to say that you need to check more closely but I doubt it would work. Pity.

I can lead you to facts but I cannot make you think.

Diplomacy requires two parties. Unilateral action does not, hence the "uni" in "unilateral".

We had two parties and shows of strength/resolve are part of the process. Ultimately, it was a successful process based on the accomplishments.

 

[Jredbaron96]

I can lead you to facts but I cannot make you think.

First you would need to have facts.

We had two parties and shows of strength/resolve are part of the process. Ultimately, it was a successful process based on the accomplishments.

Trump's diplomacy did not see any significant success. Neither Russia, nor China, nor North Korea, nor Iran were cowed or curtailed in any capacity.

 

[Integrityrespec]

It's war.

A rose by any other name,

 

[Integrityrespec]

Speaking on CNN, Secretary Blinken said "everything we are seeing suggests that this is dead serious" and that "we are on the brink of an invasion".

"Until the tanks are actually rolling, and the planes are flying, we will use every opportunity and every minute we have to see if diplomacy can still dissuade President Putin from carrying this forward," he added.

But Ukraine's Defence Minister Oleksii Reznikov said an attack "tomorrow or the day after tomorrow" was unlikely as no Russian "strike groups" had yet formed near the border.

His comments came as unverified reports in the US media suggested Washington believed an attack could be launched imminently.

CBS News reported the US had intelligence that Russian commanders on the ground had received orders to proceed with an invasion and were now making specific battle plans on how to attack.
The report said an invasion would begin with a cyber-assault followed by a campaign of missile and airstrikes, before ground units attempted to take the capital Kyiv.

And an unnamed intelligence official told CNN close to 75% of Russia's conventional forces were now poised at the Ukrainian border. The concentration of Russian forces within striking distance of Ukraine was highly unusual, the source said.

Again Ukraine's Defence Minister Oleksii Reznikov said an attack "tomorrow or the day after tomorrow" was unlikely as no Russian "strike groups" had yet formed near the border.

In other developments:

Ukraine tensions: Biden agrees in principle to summit with Putin

The meeting, proposed by France, will only take place if Russia does not invade Ukraine, the US says.

www.bbc.com

Diplomacy fails against a person who is determined to use force to gain his objective. The only thing they understand is a stronger force. Putin understands that the Europeans don't have the stomach for war and Biden doesn't have the guts to lead. Joe Biden is so glad that Ukraine is not a NATO member, because he would have to put up or shut up. He did very little to discourage Putin. Putin didn't care about diplomacy, he just wanted to see what Biden would do, he knows now. Nothing.
Bidne mishandled Afghanistan, now Ukraine. He is a poor leader.

 

[Jay59]

First you would need to have facts.

I pointed you in the right direction. Go get them. You are sorely in need of practice at digging for your own facts.

Trump's diplomacy did not see any significant success. Neither Russia, nor China, nor North Korea, nor Iran were cowed or curtailed in any capacity.

This is cult dogma but it's bullshit.

Trump was very successful in negotiating agreements, both trade and otherwise. The long list of trade agreements you may peruse at leisure. The Abrahamic Accords are a landmark. Isolating Iran, revealing China's history of aggression, improving relations with both Israel and Saudi Arabia, getting Kim Jung Un out of hiding, etc. It's a history of success. Only haters and those in a fact-free zone try to deny it.

 

[Jredbaron96]

I pointed you in the right direction.

No you didn't. You made a foolish claim you cannot back up.

Trump was very successful in negotiating agreements,

No he wasn't. His biggest effort ended in complete failure.

The Abrahamic Accords...

Began before Trump took office.

 

[Jay59]

No you didn't. You made a foolish claim you cannot back up.

No he wasn't. His biggest effort ended in complete failure.

Began before Trump took office.

I can lead you to facts but I cannot make you think.

The reality is that Trump was the best foreign policy President since Reagan and it is not close.

 

[Jredbaron96]

The reality is that Trump was the best foreign policy President since Reagan and it is not close.

I get it; a Trump fan has to lie to pretend like his Presidency wasn't a disaster.

In reality Trump cannot claim credit for any real foreign policy successes, which is why Russia, China, Iran and North Korea were not curtailed by his efforts.

 

[Jay59]

I get it

You start with a false statement. Not only do you not get it, but you also don't get that there was a point flying over your head.

a Trump fan has to lie to pretend like his Presidency wasn't a disaster.

This is factually inaccurate. I am not a Trump fan though I like his work. The guy is an asshole.

Saying that his Presidency was a disaster is one of the most uninformed statements in a thread full of uninformed statements. I challenge you to defend the statement without a reference to things Trump said.

In reality Trump cannot claim credit for any real foreign policy successes, which is why Russia, China, Iran and North Korea were not curtailed by his efforts.

This not just wrong, it's 180° backward.

Since you clearly have a fact allergy, I gift you the last word. Tell the rest of the cult to drink up.

 

[Jredbaron96]

You start with a false statement. Not only do you not get it, but you also don't get that there was a point flying over your head.

Yawn.

Saying that his Presidency was a disaster is one of the most uninformed statements in a thread full of uninformed statements. I challenge you to defend the statement without a reference to things Trump said.

COVID-19, the Iran Deal, giving Kim Jong-Un the limelight while accomplishing nothing in negotiations.

This not just wrong, it's 180° backward.

Since you clearly have a fact allergy, I gift you the last word. Tell the rest of the cult to drink up.

Notice how Jay59 can't actually bring up anything to counter this, so he just flees instead.

 

[independentusa]

You start with a false statement. Not only do you not get it, but you also don't get that there was a point flying over your head.


This is factually inaccurate. I am not a Trump fan though I like his work. The guy is an asshole.

Saying that his Presidency was a disaster is one of the most uninformed statements in a thread full of uninformed statements. I challenge you to defend the statement without a reference to things Trump said.


This not just wrong, it's 180° backward.

Since you clearly have a fact allergy, I gift you the last word. Tell the rest of the cult to drink up.

I love how those who are a Trumpster now say something negative about Trump but say how they liked his policies or what he did as president. Seeing Trump had no ral policies beyond tax cuts for the wealthy and trying to make himself richere and even failing that, I do not understand what policies they like. And he put a growing economy into the crapper with his actions as well as almost ruined our countries relationships with our allie. Oh, I forgot his failed trading war that just about killed our farmers.

 

[Peacenik]

I know at least one poster who made a thread that they thought an invasion was unlikely. Of course with hindsight, we might find many who forget that, though I think the poster I have in mind is honest and will admit that. Unfortunately, I don't doubt many Republican propagandists are looking right now how to turn it into attacks on Biden.

My observation is that most Republicans have a very difficult time admitting their mistakes.