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Well Is Sealed; Tale Isn't Over

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Thank God it's plugged for good, now Obama can finely get some rest. He did say he wouldn't rest until it was plugged for good.

Yes it must have been pure HELL for him on his 7 vacations he has taken while the oil was leaking not to be able to rest. Poor, poor thing.

Now if he would get off the idiotic idea that he's doing a good thing by throwing all the oil workers out of a job because he banded all drilling.

It is actually very good news for the animal life and the future of fishing etc, if they can get most of the oil off the bottom.




Gulf Well Is Sealed - WSJ.com

BP PLC's rogue Gulf of Mexico well was declared permanently sealed Sunday as a page turned on a disaster that fouled huge swaths of the Gulf Coast, damaged the Obama White House and rocked the U.S. oil industry.

The U.S. government's point man for the spill-response effort said Sunday that BP had killed the well by pumping in mud and cement from below through a relief well.

BP's well "is effectively dead," said Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen in a statement after tests verified the strength of a cement plug placed at its bottom.

"Additional regulatory steps will be undertaken, but we can now state, definitively, that the Macondo well poses no continuing threat to the Gulf of Mexico," he said.
 
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lets play "what if?"...What if Obama doesn't issue the moratorium on off shore drilling and yet another spill happens, unlikely yes, impossible no, imagine exactly what would happen to him then.. There would be a lynch mob lined up from Louisiana to the White House calling for his head.
 

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lets play "what if?"...What if Obama doesn't issue the moratorium on off shore drilling and yet another spill happens, unlikely yes, impossible no, imagine exactly what would happen to him then.. There would be a lynch mob lined up from Louisiana to the White House calling for his head.
If you have been listening to what Governor Bobby Jindal of Louisiana is saying they are just about to that point right now. There is no reason to shut down all the drilling. Obama did this because in my opinion it fits his agenda to completely wreck the economy as outlined in the Cloward & Pevin strategy, so he can turn this into a total Socialist/Marxist Nation.

So far everything he has done points that way, but with a little luck his is about to run out come Nov.
 

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Well ignoring the obvious fact that Obama can only do so much personally regarding an oil cap operation, what do you want him to do exactly? Swim down there himself?

Anyway, I think its a prudent move. There's a reason that when a product goes wrong, all units are recalled, because they are all made the exact same way, so if there's a problem with the equipment on that rig than there could be similar problems on the other. So until an investigation is done, I think its a safe move.

And I forgot, you're a complete conspiracy nut on par with 9/11 truthers.
 
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Well ignoring the obvious fact that Obama can only do so much personally regarding an oil cap operation, what do you want him to do exactly? Swim down there himself?

Anyway, I think its a prudent move. There's a reason that when a product goes wrong, all units are recalled, because they are all made the exact same way, so if there's a problem with the equipment on that rig than there could be similar problems on the other. So until an investigation is done, I think its a safe move.

And I forgot, you're a complete conspiracy nut on par with 9/11 truthers.
of course. they want him to swim down there and plug it with his ass. :p
 

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Even aboard the Development Driller III - the ship that drilled the relief well and allowed crews to pump in the cement for the plug - celebrations were muted.

"It's kind of bittersweet because we lost 11 men out here," said Rich Robson, the offshore installation manager on the vessel. "There isn't going to be any real celebration. To a lot of people, the water out here is a cemetery."
RIP
 

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Obama did this because in my opinion it fits his agenda to completely wreck the economy as outlined in the Cloward & Pevin strategy, so he can turn this into a total Socialist/Marxist Nation.
Yeah, yeah, and George Bush hates black people, we get it...
 

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lets play "what if?"...What if Obama doesn't issue the moratorium on off shore drilling and yet another spill happens, unlikely yes, impossible no, imagine exactly what would happen to him then.. There would be a lynch mob lined up from Louisiana to the White House calling for his head.
I think you're being a little too dramatic, but the message he did send the nation, with the moratoirum, is that he's not afraid to kill jobs, if it supports his agenda. And, if he's not afraid to kill ours, then he's not afraid to kill your's.
 

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Well ignoring the obvious fact that Obama can only do so much personally regarding an oil cap operation, what do you want him to do exactly? Swim down there himself?

Anyway, I think its a prudent move. There's a reason that when a product goes wrong, all units are recalled, because they are all made the exact same way, so if there's a problem with the equipment on that rig than there could be similar problems on the other. So until an investigation is done, I think its a safe move.

And I forgot, you're a complete conspiracy nut on par with 9/11 truthers.
Fine, recall all the products from this line. Don't shutdown every product like it, regardless of make, model and maufacturer.

But, since it's Obama, it makes perfect sense.
 

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Fine, recall all the products from this line. Don't shutdown every product like it, regardless of make, model and maufacturer.

But, since it's Obama, it makes perfect sense.
Its not even entirely clear what went wrong and what systems and machines failed. The only investigation out so far is BP's own, which is of questionable reliability. Now personally I don't know everything or much about deep sea oil drilling, same as you, however I do know that the technology is very high tech and there's not a lot of room for diversity, as it they all work relatively the same way. Its not like a car where you have a million and one ways to build it, its very specific precision technology.

Plus its not just about the technology involved there's strong evidence of lack of serious oversight for that technology, so the technology may work perfectly fine but the oversight in the government which makes sure companies like BP aren't cutting corners may not be up to snuff. That has to be reevaluated too. And pending that investigation into those oversight agencies, there may be a lot of head rolling and restructuring.

Lastly, the "ban" isn't a ban on oil drilling at all. Its a ban on new expansion, current wells in the Gulf will continue without interruption.

Now I disagree with a permanent ban, I think the US should do all it can to lessen or remove foreign energy dependency. However I don't know enough about the industry or the technology to estimate what would be an acceptable time period for completing these tasks. But yes sooner rather than later I'd like to see the drilling resume in the Gulf and in Alaska. Both for energy and people's jobs.
 

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Its not even entirely clear what went wrong and what systems and machines failed. The only investigation out so far is BP's own, which is of questionable reliability. Now personally I don't know everything or much about deep sea oil drilling, same as you, however I do know that the technology is very high tech and there's not a lot of room for diversity, as it they all work relatively the same way. Its not like a car where you have a million and one ways to build it, its very specific precision technology.

Plus its not just about the technology involved there's strong evidence of lack of serious oversight for that technology, so the technology may work perfectly fine but the oversight in the government which makes sure companies like BP aren't cutting corners may not be up to snuff. That has to be reevaluated too. And pending that investigation into those oversight agencies, there may be a lot of head rolling and restructuring.

Lastly, the "ban" isn't a ban on oil drilling at all. Its a ban on new expansion, current wells in the Gulf will continue without interruption.

If that's the case, why isn't the MMS issueing drilling permits in the GOM?

Now I disagree with a permanent ban, I think the US should do all it can to lessen or remove foreign energy dependency. However I don't know enough about the industry or the technology to estimate what would be an acceptable time period for completing these tasks. But yes sooner rather than later I'd like to see the drilling resume in the Gulf and in Alaska. Both for energy and people's jobs.
Agreed, however why aren't the politicos listening to the experts who said that a drilling ban wasn't necessary?
 

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I think you're being a little too dramatic, but the message he did send the nation, with the moratoirum, is that he's not afraid to kill jobs, if it supports his agenda. And, if he's not afraid to kill ours, then he's not afraid to kill your's.
Obama is the best thing that ever happened to Canada.

We're exporting huge amounts of oil to the United States to the point where Nancy Pelosi, among others, have even visited to discourage us. Other US groups have tried to discourage American tourism to Alberta as a result of their exports of oil.

Obama''s "tax the rich policy", as well as Obamacare, has encouraged Canadian trained doctors to return, as well as other "rich" doctors leaving the US for Canada. We're also getting the "rich" entrepreneurs. The corporate rate in the US hovers around 39% while in some areas, like New Brunswick, it's 12%. The Canadian average is 24%.

I say all this with no satisfaction whatsoever. I want our neighbours to prosper, but on a level playing field. Right now Obama has stacked the cards against the American people, and I don't want to profit at someone else's misfortune, despite them voting this man into office.
 

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Well ignoring the obvious fact that Obama can only do so much personally regarding an oil cap operation, what do you want him to do exactly? Swim down there himself?

Anyway, I think its a prudent move. There's a reason that when a product goes wrong, all units are recalled, because they are all made the exact same way, so if there's a problem with the equipment on that rig than there could be similar problems on the other. So until an investigation is done, I think its a safe move.

And I forgot, you're a complete conspiracy nut on par with 9/11 truthers.
I guess that your response and the response by 1069, roughdraft274, spud_meister, and Your Star, points out vividly how much the truth gets to Liberals and some wackos alike.

I guess next one of them will claim how spending $28,000 per Toyota sold in the "Cash for Clunkers debacle was good for the Nation, or maybe how the stimulus ahs created jobs like the 54 in L.A. and it only cost 111 million dollars.

Do a bit of research, Obama is a failure and he did take 7 Vacations and killed a lot of jobs for political not environmental reasons. Not conspiracy FACT!
 
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Well ignoring the obvious fact that Obama can only do so much personally regarding an oil cap operation, what do you want him to do exactly? Swim down there himself?

Anyway, I think its a prudent move. There's a reason that when a product goes wrong, all units are recalled, because they are all made the exact same way, so if there's a problem with the equipment on that rig than there could be similar problems on the other. So until an investigation is done, I think its a safe move.

And I forgot, you're a complete conspiracy nut on par with 9/11 truthers.
Imagine the approval rating of a president who put a wrench in his teeth and swam down there to fix the thing by hand...
 

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I guess that your response and the response by 1069, roughdraft274, spud_meister, and Your Star, points out vividly how much the truth gets to Liberals and some wackos alike.

I guess next one of them will claim how spending $28,000 per Toyota sold in the "Cash for Clunkers debacle was good for the Nation, or maybe how the stimulus ahs created jobs like the 54 in L.A. and it only cost 111 million dollars.

Do a bit of research, Obama is a failure and he did take 7 Vacations and killed a lot of jobs for political not environmental reasons. Not conspiracy FACT!
Since you've done the research, I suppose you have evidence of these numbers you tossed out, and proof that Obama had "political reasons" for "killing jobs." Show me the memo where Obama writes "I'm going to kill these jobs because it suits me politically."

You're saying it's FACT but your claim is essentially unprovable because it speaks to what goes on inside someone's head.
 

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Imagine the approval rating of a president who put a wrench in his teeth and swam down there to fix the thing by hand...
It'd bump up to about 50% because right wingers would have you believe that he started the leak only so that he could rescue us from it.
 

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Since you've done the research, I suppose you have evidence of these numbers you tossed out, and proof that Obama had "political reasons" for "killing jobs." Show me the memo where Obama writes "I'm going to kill these jobs because it suits me politically."

You're saying it's FACT but your claim is essentially unprovable because it speaks to what goes on inside someone's head.
Either the man is ruining the American economy deliberately or he is irretrievably stupid.

Which do you think it is?
 

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Since you've done the research, I suppose you have evidence of these numbers you tossed out, and proof that Obama had "political reasons" for "killing jobs." Show me the memo where Obama writes "I'm going to kill these jobs because it suits me politically."

You're saying it's FACT but your claim is essentially unprovable because it speaks to what goes on inside someone's head.
Killing the oilfield and forcing a reliance on green energy doesn't help Obama's green agenda? I think we all know better than that.
 

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In my opinion saying that Obama is supporting this drilling ban for secret reasons, whatever they are, rather than his stated reasons is a conspiracy theory. You are attempting to state as fact what an individual is thinking as if you can see inside their head.

I don't think he's doing it to secretly help his green agenda, not because enviromentalists wouldn't support the ban, but because he has to be secret about it he can't claim it as a green victory. And thats the thing, no green groups or enviromentalist individuals on these forums or anywhere else really where I've looked, although I realize thats not a complete view, aren't talking about how great Obama is for this drilling ban. And he's not going out there attempting to use it for votes. What I see is that it would gather votes for people who would already vote for him, but to other people who aren't as enviromentally extreme they need to be convinced its a good thing. In other words if he wants this ban to be politically useful he needs to go out and woo those who don't view every single "green" policy as a good thing.

Lastly, when Obama took office he removed a similar ban on deepwater, Gulf, Atlantic, Pacific, and Alaskan oil drilling. It wasn't until the oil rig accident that he re-established the ban, although he called it only temporary pending the investigations. Now why would he remove the ban, only to place it back into effect when the first ban was exactly what many here claim he wanted? Why the reversal, that serves no purpose politically or to serve his 'agenda.' If he wanted the ban all along he could have simply left the ban in place and many people would have made a fuss, but certainly less of a fuss if he didn't start a new ban right after ending the old one.

President Obama opens new areas to offshore drilling - washingtonpost.com

So unless one is going to claim special insight into Obama and make this a conspiracy theory, I just don't see it.
 

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In my opinion saying that Obama is supporting this drilling ban for secret reasons, whatever they are, rather than his stated reasons is a conspiracy theory. You are attempting to state as fact what an individual is thinking as if you can see inside their head.

I don't think he's doing it to secretly help his green agenda, not because enviromentalists wouldn't support the ban, but because he has to be secret about it he can't claim it as a green victory. And thats the thing, no green groups or enviromentalist individuals on these forums or anywhere else really where I've looked, although I realize thats not a complete view, aren't talking about how great Obama is for this drilling ban. And he's not going out there attempting to use it for votes. What I see is that it would gather votes for people who would already vote for him, but to other people who aren't as enviromentally extreme they need to be convinced its a good thing. In other words if he wants this ban to be politically useful he needs to go out and woo those who don't view every single "green" policy as a good thing.

Lastly, when Obama took office he removed a similar ban on deepwater, Gulf, Atlantic, Pacific, and Alaskan oil drilling. It wasn't until the oil rig accident that he re-established the ban, although he called it only temporary pending the investigations. Now why would he remove the ban, only to place it back into effect when the first ban was exactly what many here claim he wanted? Why the reversal, that serves no purpose politically or to serve his 'agenda.' If he wanted the ban all along he could have simply left the ban in place and many people would have made a fuss, but certainly less of a fuss if he didn't start a new ban right after ending the old one.

President Obama opens new areas to offshore drilling - washingtonpost.com

So unless one is going to claim special insight into Obama and make this a conspiracy theory, I just don't see it.
You're either ignorant, or dishonest. Nice try, though!

Why do I say that? Because 1) There are many's a treehugger that support the moratorium and 2) There was no ban on deepwater drilling. You did well, skirting around the issue, but I knew the big enchilada was coming, sooner, or later.
 

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You're either ignorant, or dishonest. Nice try, though!

Why do I say that? Because 1) There are many's a treehugger that support the moratorium and 2) There was no ban on deepwater drilling. You did well, skirting around the issue, but I knew the big enchilada was coming, sooner, or later.
Perhaps I should have been clearer. I meant that the oil drilling ban hasnt become a huge rallying cry for enviromental groups around Obama, specifically because its not entirely what they want because offically its temporary. What I'm trying to say is that if Obama was doing this for political reasons, I haven't seen what I consider to be a large enough response from the green community. Normally when a politican does something to win votes it becomes something he campaigns on and trumps as a success, Obama hasn't done either of these and is not using the moratorium.

Regarding the other point. I admitally made a mistake in my post, I used the word "drill" when I meant "production." Whats been halted is new wells, or expansion of existing wells, which operate at a depth of over 500 Ft, which is how the moratorium defines "Deepwater." However existing wells which are producing will continue to operate, and any expansion or existing wells in waters less than 500 ft are unaffected.
http://www.doi.gov/news/pressreleases/loader.cfm?csModule=security/getfile&PageID=33716&p=.pdf

So yes there is a ban on drilling in some areas, but there is no ban on production.

Now that you've caught my mistake, which is perfectly fair I said it after all, are we going to continue a discussion or would you rather indulge in self-righteous snobbery?
 

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Either the man is ruining the American economy deliberately or he is irretrievably stupid.

Which do you think it is?
I dispute the idea that Obama's actions are "ruining the economy." For starters, it was already pretty ruined. Also, the decline shifted from "OH GOD FREEFALL" to "wobbly flat maybe gonna dip we're not sure yet." We're better off now than we were when he took office, although we're rating "better off" in terms of "not falling apart as quickly," so it's not like this is optimism speaking.

But nice, if blatantly obvious, attempt at framing the debate. Let me try!

You're either a rapist or a murderer. Which is it?
 

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Perhaps I should have been clearer. I meant that the oil drilling ban hasnt become a huge rallying cry for enviromental groups around Obama, specifically because its not entirely what they want because offically its temporary. What I'm trying to say is that if Obama was doing this for political reasons, I haven't seen what I consider to be a large enough response from the green community. Normally when a politican does something to win votes it becomes something he campaigns on and trumps as a success, Obama hasn't done either of these and is not using the moratorium.
Wiseone, it sounds like you're being making an honest attempt at fairness, but I think you are being naive. Since he doesn't know anything about offshore drilling, why would he ignore an expert panel whose advice he asked for and then attach their names to a set of recommendations that they didn't review?

Does this sound like political gamesmanship to you?
Power Line - Another Stumble in the Gulf

That aside, is it a big secret that his agenda includes deconstructing the carbon economy? He's on record saying his plans will cause electricity prices to necessarily skyrocket. How much of a stretch is it for someone to say he is shutting down drilling jobs in order to further his agenda?
 

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Wiseone, it sounds like you're being making an honest attempt at fairness, but I think you are being naive. Since he doesn't know anything about offshore drilling, why would he ignore an expert panel whose advice he asked for and then attach their names to a set of recommendations that they didn't review?

Does this sound like political gamesmanship to you?
Power Line - Another Stumble in the Gulf

That aside, is it a big secret that his agenda includes deconstructing the carbon economy? He's on record saying his plans will cause electricity prices to necessarily skyrocket. How much of a stretch is it for someone to say he is shutting down drilling jobs in order to further his agenda?
It seems clear enough that Obama is intent on ruining America's energy independence just as he is destroying the economy.

This has been a boon for Canadian exporters but his Greens are also putting pressure to question Canada's oil production.

U.S. green groups attack Alberta tourism industry | Reuters

Pelosi is getting involved also.

Alberta premier defends oilsands in meeting with Pelosi

Canada is quite able to look after its environment without the American green party or Nancy Pelosi. Conspiracy theories aren't usually my thing but it seems they want an energy crisis in the USA in order to pass some very restrictive legislation. I can see no other reason for this craziness, but am prepared to listen to other possibilities.
 
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