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We would just like to remind you all that Poland was not liberated by the Soviets in 1945. Poland was forced into another occupation, under a Totalita

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The only way the Soviets "liberated" a Pole from Nazi brutality was with a bullet to the back of the head. sralin and his army had no intention of saving Polish lives or helping them to fight against the German occupation. If you think otherwise, you don't know your history.


We would just like to remind you all that Poland was not liberated by the Soviets in 1945. Poland was forced into another occupation, under a Totalitarian regime till 1989.





 
IIRC, as the Soviet army approached Warsaw, the Poles, especially the Polish Jews in the Warsaw ghetto, staged a serious uprising. The Soviets, within sight of the city, stopped. They just halted their advance and allowed the Germans and the Poles in the city to kill each other off so the coming Red Army occupation would have an easier time annexing Poland at war's end.
 
IIRC, as the Soviet army approached Warsaw, the Poles, especially the Polish Jews in the Warsaw ghetto, staged a serious uprising. The Soviets, within sight of the city, stopped. They just halted their advance and allowed the Germans and the Poles in the city to kill each other off so the coming Red Army occupation would have an easier time annexing Poland at war's end.
yes, and you can 10 years in a pootler´s prison just for mention this historical fact ...
 
The only way the Soviets "liberated" a Pole from Nazi brutality was with a bullet to the back of the head. sralin and his army had no intention of saving Polish lives or helping them to fight against the German occupation. If you think otherwise, you don't know your history.


We would just like to remind you all that Poland was not liberated by the Soviets in 1945. Poland was forced into another occupation, under a Totalitarian regime till 1989.







Considering that the Germans literally intended to entirely wipe the Poles out(after first effectively enslaving them) the Soviets driving the Germans out of Poland absolutely was a liberation.
 
IIRC, as the Soviet army approached Warsaw, the Poles, especially the Polish Jews in the Warsaw ghetto, staged a serious uprising. The Soviets, within sight of the city, stopped. They just halted their advance and allowed the Germans and the Poles in the city to kill each other off so the coming Red Army occupation would have an easier time annexing Poland at war's end.

And the West actively supported Nazi collaborators in places like Greece to keep the the communist resistance, which was the largest and most effective group there, from taking power.
 
The only way the Soviets "liberated" a Pole from Nazi brutality was with a bullet to the back of the head. sralin and his army had no intention of saving Polish lives or helping them to fight against the German occupation. If you think otherwise, you don't know your history.


We would just like to remind you all that Poland was not liberated by the Soviets in 1945. Poland was forced into another occupation, under a Totalitarian regime till 1989.







And btw, the claim that “Soviet atrocities vastly outnumbered Nazi ones” is laughably false.
 
Considering that the Germans literally intended to entirely wipe the Poles out(after first effectively enslaving them) the Soviets driving the Germans out of Poland absolutely was a liberation.
Trading one yoke for another isn’t liberation.
 
IIRC, as the Soviet army approached Warsaw, the Poles, especially the Polish Jews in the Warsaw ghetto, staged a serious uprising. The Soviets, within sight of the city, stopped. They just halted their advance and allowed the Germans and the Poles in the city to kill each other off so the coming Red Army occupation would have an easier time annexing Poland at war's end.

Read about this in Timothy Snyder's Bloodlands.
 
in commie Greece´d be not different from Tajikistan , but you are ok with it . the West saved Greece from the stalinist slavery and the eternal poverty and insecurity


Uh.....no, “commie Greece” would be very different than Tajikistan in numerous ways, most notably in that Tajikistan is a land locked desert country in Central Asia and Greece......isn’t 😂

Gee bud, instead they spent years under the rule of a fascist junta, which NATO happily supported.


The fact of the matter is that the West, much like the Soviets, engaged in blatantly underhanded actions to ensure their preferred regime took power.

And I hate to break it to you, but “insecurity” is pretty much constant in Greece and has been for quite some time.
 
Trading one yoke for another isn’t liberation.

By that logic the West didn’t liberate Italy because the US spent the next forty years sponsoring fascist terrorists in a “strategy of tension” to try and discredit local left wingers.

When one regime is planning on exterminating your people entirely—- as the Nazis were planning to do to the Poles— it absolutely is.
 
By that logic the West didn’t liberate Italy because the US spent the next forty years sponsoring fascist terrorists in a “strategy of tension” to try and discredit local left wingers.

When one regime is planning on exterminating your people entirely—- as the Nazis were planning to do to the Poles— it absolutely is.
The OP never mentioned Italy or Greece. All the Soviets did was gobble up the half of Poland that they had left for the Nazis via the Ribbentrop/Molotov Treaty.

If the Poles felt “liberated” we never would know the name Lech Walesa or Solidarity.
 
The OP never mentioned Italy or Greece. All the Soviets did was gobble up the half of Poland that they had left for the Nazis via the Ribbentrop/Molotov Treaty.

If the Poles felt “liberated” we never would know the name Lech Walesa or Solidarity.

Yes, the OP conveniently left out all sorts of inconvenient facts, like, gee, the fact that the West did the exact same thing.

Not to mention grant the Poles a rather large chunk of formerly German territory. Hmm.....I don’t seem to remember them giving that back, do you? 😂🙄

By that logic, the Germans didn’t feel liberated by the West. After all, if they did nobody would know the name Andreas Baader or the Red Army Faction.....right?🙄

The simple fact of the matter is that for a regime to exist, and remain in the power, a large majority of the population has to accept it as legitimate. Bayonets alone can not hold a regime together.
 
Bayonets can´t , MOSCOW- MARXISTS´ GULAG, Kurapaty, gas-wagons can , at least for 45 LONG YEARS ....


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_van



SHOOT THE POLES Operation No. 00485 - Shoot The Poles Anti-Polish Operation No. 00485 was a genocide of Poles


The gulags were shut down in 1955.

Communism ended in Poland in 1989.

How, exactly, does the NKVD carrying out an operation in 1938 in any way, shape or form affect people in a totally different country decades later?

Your argument is a flop.
 
Your argument is a flop.
EDIT FOR YOU Your argument is a flop.RU , NOBODY cares in Poland what you want to get in Poland, cos you are gonna get 0 IN PR, IN BELARUS, IN EUROPE IN GENERAL

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EDIT FOR YOU Your argument is a flop.RU , NOBODY cares in Poland what you want to get in Poland, cos you are gonna get 0 IN PR, IN BELARUS, IN EUROPE IN GENERAL

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Yes, Poland has made it quite clear they are clinging to a deluded fantasy version of the past.

So when are they giving Germany back its land? After all, they only own those territories because of the Soviet Union 😂
 
And the West actively supported Nazi collaborators in places like Greece to keep the the communist resistance, which was the largest and most effective group there, from taking power.
what are you talking about? The Greek government were literally partisans
 
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