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Meta-news media. I think we have reached a point where MSM and FOX are so bad that we need news media thats only job is to fact check everything reported in news media. MSM has become freakishly reactionary and is jumping the gun too often to be taken seriously. FOX is now blatant propaganda state media for the Trump Administration. Partisans are more interested in playing whataboutism on the other side than evaluating the bias in the media they are consuming. Nobody has time to critically evaluate everything they see and hear in the media but people still make snap judgements or are swept up in the moment. None of the news organizations dedicate much time to coverage for mistakes they reported to correct the misconceptions they sowed. We need a 24/7 factchecker that is purely about keeping the commentators accountable for what they say. Fewer people would probably take commentators seriously if they knew how often they were full of crap and just saying the types of things people want to hear. A better informed public would also be less politically polarized because they would not be as subject to being in a partisan bubble.
 

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Meta-news media. I think we have reached a point where MSM and FOX are so bad that we need news media thats only job is to fact check everything reported in news media. MSM has become freakishly reactionary and is jumping the gun too often to be taken seriously. FOX is now blatant propaganda state media for the Trump Administration. Partisans are more interested in playing whataboutism on the other side than evaluating the bias in the media they are consuming. Nobody has time to critically evaluate everything they see and hear in the media but people still make snap judgements or are swept up in the moment. None of the news organizations dedicate much time to coverage for mistakes they reported to correct the misconceptions they sowed. We need a 24/7 factchecker that is purely about keeping the commentators accountable for what they say. Fewer people would probably take commentators seriously if they knew how often they were full of crap and just saying the types of things people want to hear. A better informed public would also be less politically polarized because they would not be as subject to being in a partisan bubble.

"Ministry of Truth here we come!"

Hell NO.
 

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"Ministry of Truth here we come!"

Hell NO.

The Ministry of Truth doctored historical events to make things more government approved. That is pretty much what FOX is doing now and what CNN did under Obama. I am looking for an anti Ministry of Truth. A private media company that is willing to point out falsehoods, omittences, and distortions similar to how Snopes and Factcheck work but in real time.
 

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The Ministry of Truth doctored historical events to make things more government approved. That is pretty much what FOX is doing now and what CNN did under Obama. I am looking for an anti Ministry of Truth. A private media company that is willing to point out falsehoods, omittences, and distortions similar to how Snopes and Factcheck work but in real time.

Your "Fact Checker of record" would become the Ministry of Truth in no time, because humans are what we are....learning what humans are was what the education was for.

Western Civilization is in very deep trouble, and the New Chinese Empire that is on the march and intends to clean our clocks has already gone far towards setting up a Ministry of Truth....with the power to destroy the citizens that it wishes to destroy...
 
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Money buys anything now. Eventually the news media of the news media will also need its own news media to fact check it.

Anything with influence gets bought and corrupted so that someone powerful gets to control the language... whether it's a news story, or the fact checker who checks the news story.

As long as money matters more than people, it will never end. The fiduciary responsibility has to change otherwise the system won't come to its senses.

Anti-trust law in the U.S. could be doing a better job of breaking up monopolies. I'd like to see some new laws in place that specifically target institutions of the First Amendment: corporate-religious megachurches and corporate conglomerate news. Don't oppress them, just split them into smaller companies so that you don't have 5 or 6 CEOs owning the news world.
 

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Your "Face Checker of record" would become the Ministry of Truth in no time, because humans are what we are....learning what humans are was what the education was for.

Western Civilization is in very deep trouble, and the New Chinese Empire that is on the march and intends to clean our clocks has already gone far towards setting up a Ministry of Truth....with the power to destroy the citizens that it wishes to destroy.

We don't need a Ministry of Truth. Sean Hannity literally has a direct line to Donald Trump. He is an advisor to the president on policy and he spins it on his show. 1984 was a good book, but it relied on the idea of government controlling media, when the reality is our media is now controlling our government.

We just got through a 35 day government shut down that was the direct result of Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter.
 

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How about just engaging your brain and giving stories time to develop?
 

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We don't need a Ministry of Truth. Sean Hannity literally has a direct line to Donald Trump. He is an advisor to the president on policy and he spins it on his show. 1984 was a good book, but it relied on the idea of government controlling media, when the reality is our media is now controlling our government.

We just got through a 35 day government shut down that was the direct result of Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter.

You got it ass backwards....the so-called journalists had long fancied themselves the gate keepers of state and grew to love the power....to the point that it corrupted them.....and they have yet to adjust their heads to the reality that tech took that away by allowing the citizens to go around them......and many of us do because...well....THEY SUCK.

Plus we just had a front row seat to what a heck of a time they are having driving Trumps reputation down, and that is with most of them working together to pump out Anti Trump Propaganda.....over years....

The so-called journalists are mentally ill from their lack of ability to deal with their lack of power.
 

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You got it ass backwards....the so-called journalists had long fancied themselves the gate keepers of state and grew to love the power....to the point that it corrupted them.....and they have yet to adjust their heads to the reality that tech took that away by allowing the citizens to go around them......and many of us do because...well....THEY SUCK.

Plus we just had a front row seat to what a heck of a time they are having driving Trumps reputation down, and that is with most of them working together to pump out Anti Trump Propaganda.....over years....

The so-called journalists are mentally ill from their lack of ability to deal with their lack of power.

The funny thing is the left wing media is using the playbook that the right wing media used for Obama. Every election cycle it gets more sophisticated and more insidious. But I think we are officially in an era where the line between state and media is almost indistinguishable. FOX is state media. There is no getting around that because their chief export is pro Trump propaganda. CNN played that role for Obama.
 

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Meta-news media. I think we have reached a point where MSM and FOX are so bad that we need news media thats only job is to fact check everything reported in news media. MSM has become freakishly reactionary and is jumping the gun too often to be taken seriously. FOX is now blatant propaganda state media for the Trump Administration. Partisans are more interested in playing whataboutism on the other side than evaluating the bias in the media they are consuming. Nobody has time to critically evaluate everything they see and hear in the media but people still make snap judgements or are swept up in the moment. None of the news organizations dedicate much time to coverage for mistakes they reported to correct the misconceptions they sowed. We need a 24/7 factchecker that is purely about keeping the commentators accountable for what they say. Fewer people would probably take commentators seriously if they knew how often they were full of crap and just saying the types of things people want to hear. A better informed public would also be less politically polarized because they would not be as subject to being in a partisan bubble.

Two versions of the facts would then only become 4 versions of the facts.
 

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The funny thing is the left wing media is using the playbook that the right wing media used for Obama. Every election cycle it gets more sophisticated and more insidious. But I think we are officially in an era where the line between state and media is almost indistinguishable. FOX is state media. There is no getting around that because their chief export is pro Trump propaganda. CNN played that role for Obama.

You dont know what you are talking about...... Obama rolled over the media, he took the power away from them because he would rather have Public Relations that drives his agenda than the transparency that journalism provides.

Here is a place for you to start:

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...administration-making-us-media-its-mouthpiece
 

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we are the fact checkers. i help to point out bull**** daily.
 
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