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We have a Spending Problem, NOT a tax revenue problem

Thunder said:
unemployment increased even after all of the stimulus funds had been spent?

prove it.
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LOL

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Thunder said:
our deficit would be much less if Bush has not lowered taxes on the wealthy WHILE put us in two-wars that we have no money to spend on.

honestly, who starts two wars AND cuts taxes at the same time?

surely not a fiscal conservative. more like a fiscal clown.
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Prove it? The U.S. Treasury shows govt. revenue growing AFTER the Bush tax cuts. Explain how that happened?
 
Conservative said:
What is the fair share that the rich should pay since..
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let's start by bringing the rich back to the pre-Bush tax-cut levels.

and remove all the silly tax-breaks for private jets, hedge-funds, farm subsidies, etc etc.

..or will cutting tax-breaks for private jets, destroy the economy. ;)
 
liblady said:
clinton raised taxes, and nobody can argue that we had a good economy for quite a period of time.
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Clinton had a GOP Congress that eliminated most of the Clinton tax increases.
 
Thunder said:
let's start by bringing the rich back to the pre-Bush tax-cut levels.

and remove all the silly tax-breaks for private jets, hedge-funds, farm subsidies, etc etc.

..or will cutting tax-breaks for private jets, destroy the economy. ;)
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I already explained to you that the Bush tax cuts led to increased revenue paid by the Rich and you have yet to explain how income tax revenue grew with those tax cuts? Don't know where you get your information but I find it concerning that you do such poor research. The Treasury Dept. gives the data

U.S. Treasury
Current Report: Combined Statement of Receipts, Outlays, and Balances of the United States Government (Combined Statement): Publications & Guidance: Financial Management Service
 
Conservative said:
Subsidies all allow business to keep their income instead of sending it to the govt. Why do you have a problem with people and businesses keeping more of what they earn? how does that hurt the economy?
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What? Subsidies don't allow people to keep their income. It allows them to keep somebody else's income. Subsidies to farmes are transfer payments just like any other.
 
Thunder said:
oh look, unemployment has been slowly going down..due to the stimulus.

thanks for proving my point.
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You really don't know how to read a chart. Amazing that liberalism creates such loyalty in the face of actual facts to the contrary.
 
RStringfield said:
What? Subsidies don't allow people to keep their income. It allows them to keep somebody else's income. Subsidies to farmes are transfer payments just like any other.
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What the hell are you talking about? Whose income is it that the businesses keep with their subsidies? My, I cannot beleive this, what a bunch of crap liberalism has spewed.
 
Conservative said:
You really don't know how to read a chart. Amazing that liberalism creates such loyalty in the face of actual facts to the contrary.
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once the stimulus dollars had all been spent, unemployment has been going down. its not at 10% still..is it?

no, I thought not.
 
Conservative said:
We are in trouble because the govt. spends too much money, raising their credit limit doesn't solve the problem. That is like giving a cocaine user a fix to solve their problems.

Why do you care how much the rich pay and what exactly is their fair share in your world. Stop buying the lies Obama tells you. If you want to pay more in taxes, send more into the govt. Write them a check
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i completely agree that spending has to reined in. i also care how much the rich pay when republicans want to kill programs that help the poor to balance the budget. oh yeah, let's allow the poor to suffer, and god forbid the rich have to pay anything like a fair share. my mom is just now going onto medicaid.......let's just put her on the street, why don't we, while trust fund babies continue to live off their investments that are taxed at 15%.

bush completely ****ed this country, and you guys handed him the dildo to do it with. and now, you want to continue the handouts to the corporations and the very wealthy, while some military members get food stamps which they may not continue to qualify for, BECAUSE OF REPUBLICAN REFUSAL TO COMPROMISE?
 
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Conservative said:
What the hell are you talking about? Whose income is it that the businesses keep with their subsidies? My, I cannot beleive this, what a bunch of crap liberalism has spewed.
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please explain to us how tax-breaks for hedge funds and private jets, is a fiscal neccessity.


WHY is it that the Democrats are willing to compromise on spending and taxes, but the GOP is not?

if we go into default, it will be due to the GOP's refusal to compromise at all on taxes. they would rather see the USA lose its credit rating, then raise taxes on Michael Bloomberg and Bill Gates.
 
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Conservative said:
Barack Obama's News Conference today is typical Obama, demonize the private sector and those evil corporations. The minions that support Obama will continue to buy the rhetoric and ignore the actual results and reality



Interesting that Obama is talking about how low revenue is but ignoring the problem that there are 15 million unemployed Americans that are paying very little in taxes because they are UNEMPLOYED. There is your revenue problem, Obama's failure to motivate job creation by providing incentives to the private sector to grow. Obama's answer? RAISE TAXES

Liberals today show their ignorance and partisanshp by promoting elimination of tax subsidies which aren't payments to companies but instead are allowing companies to keep more of what they earn. The ignorant by the claim that the govt. sends private business checks. No wonder we have the problems we have today with such ignorance.
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Funny, your hero, President Reagan, raised taxes on those *evil* corporations, in fact he stated they needed to pay "their fair share." Also, he realized his initial tax cuts were so deep that he raised taxes 11 times. And for most of his presidency the top marginal rate was at 50% far above what it is today.
 
Thunder said:
once the stimulus dollars had all been spent, unemployment has been going down. its not at 10% still..is it?

no, I thought not.
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Wrong, there are more people unemployed today than when Obama took office so how is that a reduction in unemployment? You continue to buy the liberal lies. BLS.gov proves those lies. Stimulus dollars were supposed to go to shovel ready jobs so explain to me why there are over 2 million more unemployed today than when he took office?
 
Conservative said:
Subsidies all allow business to keep their income instead of sending it to the govt. Why do you have a problem with people and businesses keeping more of what they earn? how does that hurt the economy?
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funny........let's subsidize the corporate farms, but allow kids to go hungry.
 
Republicans believe that Bill Gates, Michael Bloomberg, and Oprah Winfrey simply CANNOT afford to pay any more in taxes.

Why is this?
 
pbrauer said:
Funny, your hero, President Reagan, raised taxes on those *evil* corporations, in fact he stated they needed to pay "their fair share." Also, he realized his initial tax cuts were so deep that he raised taxes 11 times. And for most of his presidency the top marginal rate was at 50% far above what it is today.
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this thread isn't about Reagan, it is about Obama. You want to discuss Reagan then start a thread on Reagan. Reagan created 18 million jobs in 8 years, Obama has a net job loss of over 3 million in two plus. Nothing Obama has done indicates there will be any job growth during his Administration
 
Thunder said:
Republicans believe that Bill Gates, Michael Bloomberg, and Oprah Winfrey simply CANNOT afford to pay any more in taxes.

Why is this?
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Why don't you answer the question. Jealousy of what others have is going to be your downfall.
 
Thunder said:
what about before and after the Obama stimulus funds were spent?
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Today there are 14.7 million unemployed Americans, when he took office there were 12.6 million unemployed. That is an increase in unemployment
 
Conservative said:
this thread isn't about Reagan, it is about Obama. You want to discuss Reagan then start a thread on Reagan. Reagan created 18 million jobs in 8 years, Obama has a net job loss of over 3 million in two plus. Nothing Obama has done indicates there will be any job growth during his Administration
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and there is no indication that refusing to increase taxes on the rich, has saved any jobs.
 
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