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We grow the same amount of food on 30% of the land area

Threegoofs said:
You just said they are ‘hiding the numbers’.
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Sorry, no one is hiding numbers, I meant that with 56 million people dying each year,
we do not know how many of those deaths were aggravated by malnutrition.
 
longview said:
How so?
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Well, one would need....common sense.


I gave you the death breakdown, and given that a substantial chunk of deaths comes from developed nations, where protein/calorie malnutrition is rare, plus the fact that in the developing world it’s not very common anymore leads to the obvious conclusion that 40% of the worlds deaths cannot be from malnutrition.

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The other basic fact on this might be the fact that literally NO references stating anything like this have ever been produced by anyone.

For Tim’s supposition to be true, you would then need to somehow show biofuels are causing this excess death, and again..no evidence has been produced.

I suppose you could just make stuff up though. That seems to be a big thing with deniers.
 
Threegoofs said:
Well, one would need....common sense.


I gave you the death breakdown, and given that a substantial chunk of deaths comes from developed nations, where protein/calorie malnutrition is rare, plus the fact that in the developing world it’s not very common anymore leads to the obvious conclusion that 40% of the worlds deaths cannot be from malnutrition.

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The other basic fact on this might be the fact that literally NO references stating anything like this have ever been produced by anyone.

For Tim’s supposition to be true, you would then need to somehow show biofuels are causing this excess death, and again..no evidence has been produced.

I suppose you could just make stuff up though. That seems to be a big thing with deniers.
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So you are assuming that none of those other conditions could be aggravated by malnutrition?
 
Threegoofs said:
20 MM.

Focus.
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So you start off by assuming that a poor diet and heart disease have no connection,
or that malnutrition would not contribute to a whole hosts of the listed causes of death?
 
longview said:
How about some minor data.
World Child Hunger Facts - World Hunger Education - World Hunger News
Approximately 3.1 million children die from undernutrition each year (UNICEF, 2018a).
Wow, how can that be, your chart said that only 269,000 people die from malnutrition,
yet here is another source saying that 3.1 million Children die each year from malnutrition.
The number is only 11 times greater, and only includes children.
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20MM.

Focus, man.

And remember... it’s 20 MM *excess deaths* from a) increased food prices AND b) food prices SPECIFICALLY increased by biofuels.
 
Threegoofs said:
20MM.

Focus, man.
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I am not saying 20 million, only that the number is not out of the question.
People die from lots of things, not having enough calories every day, could be a large contributor.
 
longview said:
I am not saying 20 million, only that the number is not out of the question.
People die from lots of things, not having enough calories every day, could be a large contributor.
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It’s out of the question, as explained above.
 
Threegoofs said:
It’s out of the question, as explained above.
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Believe as you will, but limiting the amount of fuel our heat engines get, will eventually cause problems.
 
longview said:
Believe as you will, but limiting the amount of fuel our heat engines get, will eventually cause problems.
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That’s...nonsensical.

But thanks for noting that you literally cant support Tim’s stupid argument, after some weak attempts.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Corn as animal feed should be banned it is horrible for soil. It should be swapped for soy beans, which can help fix nitrogen in the soil
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Consider the idea that corn is horrible for the soil because it is very efficient at turning soil into food.

Less efficient crops don't feed as many people, animals, etc.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Consider the idea that corn is horrible for the soil because it is very efficient at turning soil into food.

Less efficient crops don't feed as many people, animals, etc.
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Which is great in the short term, but requires mass amounts of fertilizer to keep going. Turning good quality soil into finely ground sand
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Which is great in the short term, but requires mass amounts of fertilizer to keep going. Turning good quality soil into finely ground sand
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There is a reason we rotate crops!
 
longview said:
There is a reason we rotate crops!
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Which farmers are willing to forgot when corn prices are high

Which is why there is Round up resistance in a lot of weeds in the US, why bT resistance is growing in worms in the US.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Which farmers are willing to forgot when corn prices are high

Which is why there is Round up resistance in a lot of weeds in the US, why bT resistance is growing in worms in the US.
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Not really, owning farm land is a long term investment, and most farmers understand that wearing out the soil is bad business
in the long term.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Which is great in the short term, but requires mass amounts of fertilizer to keep going. Turning good quality soil into finely ground sand
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LOL...

Where do you think the biomass comes from?

Thin air?

This is why we put compost back into the soil we use.
 
longview said:
Not really, owning farm land is a long term investment, and most farmers understand that wearing out the soil is bad business
in the long term.
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They should but don’t always

Herbicide resistance, insecticide resistance are all huge issues because farmers don’t rotate crops and pesticides as they should

Bayer added Dicamba to RoundUp to combat resistance to glyphosate. Farmers use fertilizer to combat soil depletion and lots of it
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
They should but don’t always

Herbicide resistance, insecticide resistance are all huge issues because farmers don’t rotate crops and pesticides as they should

Bayer added Dicamba to RoundUp to combat resistance to glyphosate. Farmers use fertilizer to combat soil depletion and lots of it
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I think the USDA disagrees with you.

USDA ERS - While Crop Rotations Are Common, Cover Crops Remain Rare

While 82-94 percent of most U.S. crops are grown in some sort of rotation, conservation crop rotations that incorporate cover crops remain rare. Only about 3 to 7 percent of farms use cover crops in rotations, and, since they do not put all of their land into cover crops, only 1 percent of...
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"The majority of cropland in the U.S. is farmed using crop rotations. Based on recent data from USDA’s Agricultural Resource Management Survey (ARMS), only about 18 percent of cropland planted to corn in 2010 was in corn continuously over the previous 3 years. "
No the soil would quickly become unproductive, without crop rotation, and most farmers know to practice rotation.
 
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