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'We Don't Want You Here': Mexicans Protest Against Migrant Caravan

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Hundreds of residents of the Mexican border city of Tijuana protested the thousands of Central American migrants who have arrived in the hope of starting a new life in the US. On Sunday, local residents waved Mexican flags, sang the national anthem and chanted 'Out! Out!' At one point, police formed a barrier between the Central American migrants and protesting locals. Protesters have called the migrant caravan an 'invasion' and are accusing the migrants of being messy, ungrateful and a danger to Tijuana. They are concerned Mexican taxes might be spent to care for the group as they wait, possibly months, to apply for asylum in the US.

https://www.theguardian.com/global/...exicans-protest-against-migrant-caravan-video

Now here's my favorite part:

Some protesters said they had previously disagreed with Trump on issues — but not this one. Francis Belmontes, who brought his two children to the protest, said his seven-year-old daughter told him that some of the migrants were urinating outside of her school and asking for money. He said not all the migrants were mothers seeking a better life for their children, and he had seen young men with tattoos who he believed were gang members. He said he worried for his children’s safety.

“It’s chaos,” he said. “We’re sounding like Trump’s America here in Mexico.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/protesters-tijuana-mexico-want-migrant-caravan-leave-n937761

Are American liberals now going to demonize Mexicans as 'white supremacists' and 'racists' for not wanting the migrant caravan in their country???
 

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Now here's my favorite part:



Are American liberals now going to demonize Mexicans as 'white supremacists' and 'racists' for not wanting the migrant caravan in their country???

American liberals will cherry pick the story and say it does not represent all Mexicans.
They would be right.
The other Mexicans helped them merely passing through their communities.
It is TJ where they have arrived to stay.
Stay and make an even bigger mess than it was before.

BUT...they can thank their own government for the mess.
 

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'We Don't Want You Here': Mexicans Protest Against Migrant Caravan
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Surely you don't think it's hard to find instances of folks wanting to have their cake and eat it too? Surely you aren't shocked that Mexicans do so every bit as much as Americans.

What's important to note is whether "we don't want you" is a state policy or a sentiment expressed by the public.


It makes sense that Mexicans/Mexico doesn't want a huge influx of low-skilled labor. It doesn't have enough low-skill jobs for the low-skill laborers it already has. That's a very different economic situation than we have in the US which has ample demand for low-skill labor but not enough people to fill those positions.

Economically:
  • Producers produce whatever it is they do and, to be profitable, they need to do so at a given COGS, a portion of which is labor cost. To be profitable they need to buy labor at $X/hr, and that wage rate translates into their demand for labor at $X/hr.
  • What products, thus firms and their profitability, are most sensitive to changes in wage rates? Products/sellers of goods that are elastically demanded. The more elastic the demand, the more sensitive the profits are to COGS increases. Why? Because as prices increase, buyers will purchase alternatives that either are absolutely lower in price and that provide enough utility, or that are comparably priced and provide more utility, or that are absolutely higher in price but also provide more utility. Who decides what utility any given good provides? The buyer.
 

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I have just watched a video of those "migrants" acting loudly and rudely in the streets of TJ. Some were even carrying flags of their countries, countries that they claim have no jobs for them and countries that are full of violent crime.

More Americans would have some sympathy for them if they conducted themselves in a HUMBLE and RESPECTFUL manner. Just walk quietly. No yelling. No placards. No foreign flags.

When they reach the American border, show respect to the American authorities. Do not demand anything. Quietly and docilely explain that they are requesting asylum in accordance with current American law. Do not threaten any illegal action, such as rushing the border or hopping over any fence.
 

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Now here's my favorite part:

Are American liberals now going to demonize Mexicans as 'white supremacists' and 'racists' for not wanting the migrant caravan in their country???


Who can blame them for not wanting the caravan. Imagine your city or your town to be swamped by hordes.....and not only that, these migrants don't want to follow any rules! They want to impose their will.



Violence breaks out as first group from migrant caravan arrives in Tijuana

Members of a migrant caravan currently in Mexico clashed with residents in Tijuana on Thursday night after residents demanded that the migrants leave public spaces and report to shelters.

Local officials called on migrants to obey local laws and regulations, adding that they could only provide assistance to the caravan if members followed guidelines.

“The message to the migrant population is very clear,” Francisco Rueda Gómez, secretary of government of Baja California, said in a statement according to USA Today. “We are providing them with humanitarian support, health care and food, however the need to take into consideration the rules of the shelters so they can coexist in harmony with the local population.”

Some members of the caravan likened local shelters to prisons, explaining that it was more comfortable for them to avoid the shelters entirely.

“For this reason — because this is oppression — we prefer to be in the streets, in the cold, rather than in a jail,” immigrant activist Irineo Mujica, who is working with the caravan, told the newspaper.

https://thehill.com/latino/417091-v...group-from-migrant-caravan-arrives-in-tijuana



Of course, you don't see mainstream tv news channel showing this side of the migrants. CTV and CBC in Canada never brought this up.

Trump is right. They are a violent lot.

Tiajuana should round them up and push them out of the place (back to where they came from)!
That should teach them to at least, respect the laws and regulations of the places they disrupt!
 
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I have just watched a video of those "migrants" acting loudly and rudely in the streets of TJ. Some were even carrying flags of their countries, countries that they claim have no jobs for them and countries that are full of violent crime.

More Americans would have some sympathy for them if they conducted themselves in a HUMBLE and RESPECTFUL manner. Just walk quietly. No yelling. No placards. No foreign flags.

When they reach the American border, show respect to the American authorities. Do not demand anything. Quietly and docilely explain that they are requesting asylum in accordance with current American law. Do not threaten any illegal action, such as rushing the border or hopping over any fence.

Considering that the people waving the Mexican flag were Mexicans doing so in Mexico, it doesn't bother me.
 

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Not sitting on the border fence mocking the border patrol would be a nice start.
 

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Surely you don't think it's hard to find instances of folks wanting to have their cake and eat it too? Surely you aren't shocked that Mexicans do so every bit as much as Americans.

What's important to note is whether "we don't want you" is a state policy or a sentiment expressed by the public.


It makes sense that Mexicans/Mexico doesn't want a huge influx of low-skilled labor. It doesn't have enough low-skill jobs for the low-skill laborers it already has. That's a very different economic situation than we have in the US which has ample demand for low-skill labor but not enough people to fill those positions.

Economically:
  • Producers produce whatever it is they do and, to be profitable, they need to do so at a given COGS, a portion of which is labor cost. To be profitable they need to buy labor at $X/hr, and that wage rate translates into their demand for labor at $X/hr.
  • What products, thus firms and their profitability, are most sensitive to changes in wage rates? Products/sellers of goods that are elastically demanded. The more elastic the demand, the more sensitive the profits are to COGS increases. Why? Because as prices increase, buyers will purchase alternatives that either are absolutely lower in price and that provide enough utility, or that are comparably priced and provide more utility, or that are absolutely higher in price but also provide more utility. Who decides what utility any given good provides? The buyer.

Sure there are jobs in the USA........but, that's not up to the migrants to decide for the USA how they'll come to fill up those jobs!



It's not like as if they're the only ones who want to come to the USA.
USA can have its pick of immigrants - why settle for would-be trouble and head-aches?

If they can't - and they won't - want to follow Tiajuana's rules, what makes you think they'd respect and follow USA's laws?

Imposing your will against the country you want to migrate to - huh, that should be a big flashing red flag what kind of mentality and attitude these people have. Not good for any country!

They're only proving one thing: they're the kind of immigrants you don't wanna have!
 
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Does anybody else consider it odd that this caravan was hundreds of miles south of Texas and took a big left turn of hundreds of miles to suddenly end up in Tijuana, walking right past open desert so they could climb a wall?
 

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Does anybody else consider it odd that this caravan was hundreds of miles south of Texas and took a big left turn of hundreds of miles to suddenly end up in Tijuana, walking right past open desert so they could climb a wall?
No California is a sanctuary state and Texas is not and if you are riding in a bus or a truck the distance is much less important.
 

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Does anybody else consider it odd that this caravan was hundreds of miles south of Texas and took a big left turn of hundreds of miles to suddenly end up in Tijuana, walking right past open desert so they could climb a wall?

Walking?

These people were bussed and trucked to Tijuana.
 

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No California is a sanctuary state and Texas is not and if you are riding in a bus or a truck the distance is much less important.

I noticed they weren’t able to shut down the gold/silver mines in Mexico like they’ve done in hondurus. What makes me laugh is had they headed south, Nicaragua would’ve shot them for entering their country.
 

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They are just trying to go to a state that will help them illegally enter and stay in the US . Texas will not do that.
 

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Jim Acosta wants to argue with the citizens of Tijuana. :lol:
 

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Does anybody else consider it odd that this caravan was hundreds of miles south of Texas and took a big left turn of hundreds of miles to suddenly end up in Tijuana, walking right past open desert so they could climb a wall?

CA was deemed far more likely than TX to roll out the welcome mat. CA has (world famous?) sanctuary cities and TX has added military re-enforcements to the border making the via CA route into the land of rainbows and unicorns the better bet.

BTW, these folks are not walking (except for press photo OPs).
 

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Surely you don't think it's hard to find instances of folks wanting to have their cake and eat it too? Surely you aren't shocked that Mexicans do so every bit as much as Americans.

What's important to note is whether "we don't want you" is a state policy or a sentiment expressed by the public.


It makes sense that Mexicans/Mexico doesn't want a huge influx of low-skilled labor. It doesn't have enough low-skill jobs for the low-skill laborers it already has. That's a very different economic situation than we have in the US which has ample demand for low-skill labor but not enough people to fill those positions.

Economically:
  • Producers produce whatever it is they do and, to be profitable, they need to do so at a given COGS, a portion of which is labor cost. To be profitable they need to buy labor at $X/hr, and that wage rate translates into their demand for labor at $X/hr.
  • What products, thus firms and their profitability, are most sensitive to changes in wage rates? Products/sellers of goods that are elastically demanded. The more elastic the demand, the more sensitive the profits are to COGS increases. Why? Because as prices increase, buyers will purchase alternatives that either are absolutely lower in price and that provide enough utility, or that are comparably priced and provide more utility, or that are absolutely higher in price but also provide more utility. Who decides what utility any given good provides? The buyer.

If what you say is true, why are wages stagnant? Why are there 100s of applicants for every job?
 

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CA was deemed far more likely than TX to roll out the welcome mat. CA has (world famous?) sanctuary cities and TX has added military re-enforcements to the border making the via CA route into the land of rainbows and unicorns the better bet.

BTW, these folks are not walking (except for press photo OPs).

Yeah, but it would be way easier to cross the border where there is no wall/fence. You can head for California once you cross the border.

And even if you're not walking, why would you take that kind of detour? I don't go hundreds of extra miles even if I am in a car.
 

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CA was deemed far more likely than TX to roll out the welcome mat. CA has (world famous?) sanctuary cities and TX has added military re-enforcements to the border making the via CA route into the land of rainbows and unicorns the better bet.

BTW, these folks are not walking (except for press photo OPs).

Also, Texas didn't add the troops. Trump did. If we knew they were coming, wouldn't we have noticed if they took a big left turn?
 

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i'd rather have Hondurans here than white nationalists. i wonder if there's a way to trade.
 

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Now here's my favorite part:



Are American liberals now going to demonize Mexicans as 'white supremacists' and 'racists' for not wanting the migrant caravan in their country???

I've a thread with the same theme posted in Breaking-https://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news-non-msm/337468-migrants-caravan-begin-climbing-border-fence-tijuana.html

Some of the replies are rather interesting.
 

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If what you say is true, why are wages stagnant? Why are there 100s of applicants for every job?

Red:
For the time being, I'll use your term "stagnant;" however, note that stagnant (unmoving) isn't at all what the price of labor has been. What wages have been is "slower moving that some wage earners would like." That said, you're hardly the only person who uses the term "stagnant" synonymously with "slow" or "slowly with regard to some reference point."

Wages that are stagnant -- not all wages are so -- because buyers of labor are unwilling to forbear/offer price increases for labor. They aren't willing to pay the higher prices because the specific productivity of the labor they buy hasn't increased.
  • Overall, worker productivity has increased; however, the productivity of low-to-medium skill labor, which is the kind of labor many (most?) immigrants such as the Hondurans in the "Caravan" will seek -- has not, and, quite frankly, will not. For example:
    • How much more productive today is an agricultural physical laborer, a housekeeper or construction crew physical laborer than was a comparable worker 40 years ago? Not much, if at all. Physically harvesting plants, cleaning spaces, laying bricks, etc. happens no faster per period of time, and with no lower error rates, than they did 40 years ago. Those physical processes can happen faster when they are enhanced with technology; however, the worker operating that technology would then have to have more skills than does a purely physical laborer, and that higher skilled worker can command a higher price for his/her labor than can the purely physical laborer.
    • How much more productive today is an auditor, writer, engineer, or researcher/analyst, for example, than s/he was 40 years ago? A lot more. Why? Because technology has been added to the productivity mix and that technology allows the worker to produce more output in a given period of time than a similar worker 40 years ago could.
  • There are a number of labor types for which prices show strong rates of increase. It's important to note, however, sometimes occupations with rapidly increasing prices may not the highest price jobs, they are types of labor buyers demand and will forbear price increases to obtain.

Blue:
There are many reasons for that phenomenon, but all of them boil down to (1) an extant gap between the nature and extent of labor supplied and that of labor demanded, (2) sellers of labor seeking greater returns, and (3) sellers ability to distribute information about their willingness to purchase labor of "this or that" nature. There are also micro rather than macro level reasons, such as:
  • Inept/inapt information consumption/application:
  • Increasing technological enhancement has reduced the demand for certain kinds of labor, thus hightening the competition for any given job in a discipline that's been technologically enhanced.
Whatever the reasons for there being many applicants for "this" job, there remain plenty of jobs in myriad places for which too few folks apply.
 
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