We Could be Totally Wrong About the Origins of Humans

We Could be Totally Wrong About the Origins of Humans


With their analysis, researchers also concluded that apes from the Balkans and Anatolia evolved from ancestors that lived on the central and western parts of Europe. Additionally, it provides evidence that other apes were more likely to have originated in Europe and eventually diversified into Africa, rather than the other way around. In fact, African apes (chimpanzees, bonobos, and gorillas) are only known to be from Africa.

According to Begun's statement, "While the remains of early hominines are abundant in Europe and Anatolia, they are completely absent from Africa until the first hominin appeared there about seven million years ago. This new evidence supports the hypothesis that hominines originated in Europe and dispersed into Africa along with many other mammals between nine and seven million years ago, though it does not definitively prove it. For that, we need to find more fossils from Europe and Africa between eight and seven million years old to establish a definitive connection between the two groups."

The conclusion is that humans have their roots in Western Europe, not Africa.

What do you think? White Supremist fake news?

Exquisitor said:

What do you think? White Supremist fake news?

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I'm just curious: why would people come to this conclusion?

Like say the conclusion of the article is the case. Lets assume other discoveries are the case, such as early Europeans mixing with Neanderthals, early eastern Asians mixing with Denisovans, other early humans mixing with other proto humans, and so on.

Why is that conclusion, rooted in evidence, necessarily a 'white supremacist' view?

Gozaburo said:

I'm just curious: why would people come to this conclusion?

Like say the conclusion of the article is the case. Lets assume other discoveries are the case, such as early Europeans mixing with Neanderthals, early eastern Asians mixing with Denisovans, other early humans mixing with other proto humans, and so on.

Why is that conclusion, rooted in evidence, necessarily a 'white supremacist' view?

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I admit, the post would look better without the last line, but we're a political debate website and thought I'd throw the controversial thought in before I considered putting in in another post. I figured someone would come to that conclusion and post, so I beat them to it and won, chalk up another. "See, I'm a winner."

Come on, to say humans came from Western Europe rather than Africa, just rubs it in.

Let's go with Obama, tell Trump, he can run for another Term.

Gozaburo said:

I'm just curious: why would people come to this conclusion?

Like say the conclusion of the article is the case. Lets assume other discoveries are the case, such as early Europeans mixing with Neanderthals, early eastern Asians mixing with Denisovans, other early humans mixing with other proto humans, and so on.

Why is that conclusion, rooted in evidence, necessarily a 'white supremacist' view?

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Just think what dupes we've been, duyah, I come from Africa.

Exquisitor said:

We Could be Totally Wrong About the Origins of Humans

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With their analysis, researchers also concluded that apes from the Balkans and Anatolia evolved from ancestors that lived on the central and western parts of Europe. Additionally, it provides evidence that other apes were more likely to have originated in Europe and eventually diversified into Africa, rather than the other way around. In fact, African apes (chimpanzees, bonobos, and gorillas) are only known to be from Africa.

According to Begun's statement, "While the remains of early hominines are abundant in Europe and Anatolia, they are completely absent from Africa until the first hominin appeared there about seven million years ago. This new evidence supports the hypothesis that hominines originated in Europe and dispersed into Africa along with many other mammals between nine and seven million years ago, though it does not definitively prove it. For that, we need to find more fossils from Europe and Africa between eight and seven million years old to establish a definitive connection between the two groups."

The conclusion is that humans have their roots in Western Europe, not Africa.

What do you think? White Supremist fake news?

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Thanks for this- I hadn’t seen this before.

This is really interesting. It’s obviously pretty preliminary, and more evidence will be needed, but if that skull fragment holds up, it really could upend the human origins story.

Bet we won’t know for sure for a decade though- these things take lots of time.

The political take on this is just bullshit- it’s not some CPAC funded study. It’s a legitimate theory, albeit with very very limited evidence.

Exquisitor said:

We Could be Totally Wrong About the Origins of Humans

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With their analysis, researchers also concluded that apes from the Balkans and Anatolia evolved from ancestors that lived on the central and western parts of Europe. Additionally, it provides evidence that other apes were more likely to have originated in Europe and eventually diversified into Africa, rather than the other way around. In fact, African apes (chimpanzees, bonobos, and gorillas) are only known to be from Africa.

According to Begun's statement, "While the remains of early hominines are abundant in Europe and Anatolia, they are completely absent from Africa until the first hominin appeared there about seven million years ago. This new evidence supports the hypothesis that hominines originated in Europe and dispersed into Africa along with many other mammals between nine and seven million years ago, though it does not definitively prove it. For that, we need to find more fossils from Europe and Africa between eight and seven million years old to establish a definitive connection between the two groups."

The conclusion is that humans have their roots in Western Europe, not Africa.

What do you think? White Supremist fake news?

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My understanding is Homo Neanderthalis evolved in Europe, Homo Sapiens in Africa. This is why people in sub-sahara Africa have no Neanderthal DNA but the rest of us have, up to 4%.

Threegoofs said:

Thanks for this- I hadn’t seen this before.

This is really interesting. It’s obviously pretty preliminary, and more evidence will be needed, but if that skull fragment holds up, it really could upend the human origins story.

Bet we won’t know for sure for a decade though- these things take lots of time.

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It takes a lot of time for the agents to place all the fake evidence.

Well, I'll take it on the preliminary bases, let's see, what do we think very likely that is on preliminary? UFOs, the flood of 2807 BC, the Universe is 27 gyrs old, Israel is from Jericho, one gunman, all these seem to fit the mosaic, and it looks like the scientists have done their homework, so I accept them as probably true (above 90% if I had to wager I'd give those odds, better), and await more verification or dupskiis. All these are proven sufficiently for a layperson buff.

Exquisitor said:

It takes a lot of time for the agents to place all the fake evidence.

Well, I'll take it on the preliminary bases, let's see, what do we think very likely that is on preliminary? UFOs, the flood of 2807 BC, the Universe is 27 gyrs old, Israel is from Jericho, one gunman, all these seem to fit the mosaic, and it looks like the scientists have done their homework, so I accept them as probably true (above 90% if I had to wager I'd give those odds, better), and await more verification or dupskiis. All these are proven sufficiently for a layperson buff.

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Oh, sorry.

I thought this was the science forum, not the wackadoodle section.

Threegoofs said:

Oh, sorry.

I thought this was the science forum, not the wackadoodle section.

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Well, it's like two threads in one, the Supremist issue and where we came from, and I do agree it would be nice to discuss where we came from without the Supremist issue, I have confidence in your ability to read and discriminate, and if it wasn't for the gaff, which I did edit in by the way, you wouldn't even be here.

Here, I told you how to calculate probability and I'm wackadoodle.

You're just jealous I got to post this.

Yay me, chalk up another win, see, I'm a winner (don't show me my lose pile).

If we're just making shit up, then it was ancient aliens carting people around the world like Uber. However, that would be bullshit.

Exquisitor said:

Well, it's like two threads in one, the Supremist issue and where we came from, and I do agree it would be nice to discuss where we came from without the Supremist issue, I have confidence in your ability to read and discriminate, and if it wasn't for the gaff, which I did edit in by the way, you wouldn't even be here.

Here, I told you how to calculate probability and I'm wackadoodle.

You're just jealous I got to post this.

Yay me, chalk up another win, see, I'm a winner (don't show me my lose pile).

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Helix said:

If we're just making shit up, then it was ancient aliens carting people around the world like Uber. However, that would be bullshit.

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This is actually real- it’s pretty interesting.

I’d say it’s a low probability of getting proven out, but it’s a real hypothesis, published in Nature.

Threegoofs said:

This is actually real- it’s pretty interesting.

I’d say it’s a low probability of getting proven out, but it’s a real hypothesis, published in Nature.

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I suppose if that's the case, science will make it more definitive.

Exquisitor said:

We Could be Totally Wrong About the Origins of Humans

What do you think? White Supremist fake news?

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This is an older study from 2023, unsure why it is coming up now as the only correction to the study was from a month after the original release. But that said I recall reading this and it has shit to do with white supremist attitudes.

The actual study, not the hysteria...

The concept is based on findings and analysis from the "central Anatolia region" that contained traces of what has only been seen in eastern Europe, namely the mass of land from south of the Black Sea to where the Caspian Sea is today. Or Turkey up through Georgia. Considered more Mediterranean region than Europe in the western European sense. Not exactly a bunch of white people.

What the study actually suggests is the bridge of time we are talking about, the north and central African region of the evolution from several vitiations of "early hominins" (bipedalism mixed with ape-like features" to several variations of what became several variations of "homo habilis" (the earliest we can record the concept of stone based tools.) Migration throughout the region of Central and North Africa, what we call the Middle East today, eastern Europe and western Asia took hundreds of thousands of years and much like every other step of evolution there was both competition wins and losses for survivability.

The crossing points for these points of evolution over such a long period of time, now we cross from hundreds of thousands of years to the million mark or more, has to do with everything changing over such a long period of time with competition with one another, food chain, climate, reasons for migration, etc. It is possible to have different pockets of similar evolution over a large region of the planet based on similar conditions forcing that to happen.

Which is why the study never claims exclusivity of evolution to a single point on a map, just arguing the order of these evolutions might have started at one point slightly earlier than some other point relatively speaking (again over such a long period of time.)

Does not mean we rewrite the history books and say the first "human" was white (or black, or brown, or anything else?) No.

Just means evolutions allowed for similar impact over such a large area to the point that eventually civilizations started to form. And when you get down to it we have objective facts on that too, it also was more or less around the Mediterranean region, that touched eastern Europe, the Middle East, and north / central Africa. BTW, they kept going east and other earlier civilizations popped up across "Indus" Region all the way to what we call China today... and also kept going east into what we consider "Europe" today.

Shh, don't tell anyone. They kept going East to the point they crossed a land bridge (not there now) that allowed the earliest to end up in the Americas too. It all lines up where the points of evolution occurred and where civilization eventually started to form when you consider that important step of what was just before human.

It all has to be a clue... and nada to do with what "color" of human was first.

Threegoofs said:

Oh, sorry.

I thought this was the science forum, not the wackadoodle section.

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Considering this is the science section I have no idea why the OP decided to include politics into the discussion.

When people finally wake up to the fact that the human race began with Adam and Eve.

SNOWFLAKE said:

Considering this is the science section I have no idea why the OP decided to include politics into the discussion.

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Reading his other posts, I get it. The meds haven’t kicked in yet.

Gozaburo said:

I'm just curious: why would people come to this conclusion?

Like say the conclusion of the article is the case. Lets assume other discoveries are the case, such as early Europeans mixing with Neanderthals, early eastern Asians mixing with Denisovans, other early humans mixing with other proto humans, and so on.

Why is that conclusion, rooted in evidence, necessarily a 'white supremacist' view?

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The evidence for this new speculation is much less than that for the popularised generalisation of the OOA concept It merely adds a detour to Europe to grow a brain, then returns the apes to Africa from where they disperse worldwide.