Watch what You ask For- 200% surge in Illegal Border Crossings Reported

[Perotista]

Hmm... if a foreign national enters (or remains) in the US without permission, yet is permitted (allowed?) to stay, are they really illegal or simply undocumented (or under-documented)?

Hmm, perhaps both or all three. I think allowing them to stay certainly disrespects the existing law that they broke to enter. But if one is a realist, different administrations enforces existing laws differentiating, some are enforced to the extreme and others completely ignored. They call this prosecutors discretion. A lot of folks say we are a country of laws. But depending on the administration, some are ignored, other enforced, are we really a country of laws?

There's plenty of ways to deal with this illegal or undocumented problem without a wall. Each employer should be required to verify each employee is either a citizen of this country or has documented proof that an immigrant is here legally. Green card, passport with visa, etc. Also no benefits for anyone who is here illegally. Harsh, perhaps, but a cheap way of sorting things out. Then the fines for employing an illegal also must be very harsh, steep if you will.

We need total immigration reform and not a patch work of different laws we have now. Now that isn't about to happen as both parties see advantages with the way things are now. Cheap labor for the Republicans, potential voters for the Democrats, illegal, undocumented are all pawns in this massive political game being played by both sides of the aisle.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Hmm, perhaps both or all three. I think allowing them to stay certainly disrespects the existing law that they broke to enter. But if one is a realist, different administrations enforces existing laws differentiating, some are enforced to the extreme and others completely ignored. They call this prosecutors discretion. A lot of folks say we are a country of laws. But depending on the administration, some are ignored, other enforced, are we really a country of laws?

There's plenty of ways to deal with this illegal or undocumented problem without a wall. Each employer should be required to verify each employee is either a citizen of this country or has documented proof that an immigrant is here legally. Green card, passport with visa, etc. Also no benefits for anyone who is here illegally. Harsh, perhaps, but a cheap way of sorting things out. Then the fines for employing an illegal also must be very harsh, steep if you will.

We need total immigration reform and not a patch work of different laws we have now. Now that isn't about to happen as both parties see advantages with the way things are now. Cheap labor for the Republicans, potential voters for the Democrats, illegal, undocumented are all pawns in this massive political game being played by both sides of the aisle.

A (relatively) small change to the federal income tax laws would almost git-r-done. Demand that employers document the allocation of direct labor costs to specific W-2 and/or 1099 employees - each of which would be run through the eVerify system by the IRS. Amounts found not to have been allocated to (eVerify) eligible workers would no longer be accepted as tax deductible (direct labor cost) expenses. Employers have little fear of the limited power of ICE, but very much fear the great power of the IRS.

 

[VySky]

Well that all happened on Trump's watch, so you probably should take it up with him. Once he's done being impeached again.

Nah, it’s in Beijing Joeys lousy immigration amnesty It’s all good if Americans want open borders. Have at it.

 

[Ikari]

Nah, it’s in Beijing Joeys lousy immigration amnesty It’s all good if Americans want open borders. Have at it.

I don't think you quite understand the term "open borders".

 

[HonestJoe]

It makes a huge difference whether “apprehended” means removed (or locked up pending removal) or allowed to remain in the US while not in custody.

To the individuals involved certainly, and to the citizens of the country too. As I said, that is a relevant question, just not one the OP apparently cared about.

To the claim of a literal "open border", it doesn't really make much difference. I'm challenging rhetoric, not policy. You can't address the latter (or see if any even exists) unless you cut away the former.

 

[VySky]

I don't think you quite understand the term "open borders".

Sure I do. ICE has been rendered useless

 

[VySky]

Your numbers are all from before Biden even took office, so how can his EOs be the cause?

They knew the EO’s were coming. Anyone with an ounce of integrity knew it too

 

[JMB802]

Good grief...... And open borders were called a conspiracy theory
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TEXAS - There recently has been a nearly 200% increase in attempts to cross the U.S. border in Texas, according to Customs and Border Protection.

Border Patrol stations in the Del Rio Sector reported encounters with over 31,000 people since October, roughly a 193% increase over the same time a year earlier.

200% surge in illegal border crossings reported

Border Patrol stations in Texas have encountered over 31,000 people trying to cross the border illegally since October.

www.fox5ny.com

Open borders. Only supported by fringe elements. Will never, ever pass the House or Senate. Quit trying to make it a "thing". Racist ranting about open borders is foolish.

 

[VySky]

Open borders. Only supported by fringe elements. Will never, ever pass the House or Senate. Quit trying to make it a "thing". Racist ranting about open borders is foolish.

It's not racist when it is a logistical metric. Sorry, the race card is worthless here

 

[JMB802]

It's not racist when it is a logistical metric. Sorry, the race card is worthless here

A logistical metric? lol

Open borders. Not going to be a thing. Ever. It never will pass the House or Senate. Why repeat a falsehood? What is your intent if not to throw shade on people trying to immigrate to this country?

 

[Perotista]

A (relatively) small change to the federal income tax laws would almost git-r-done. Demand that employers document the allocation of direct labor costs to specific W-2 and/or 1099 employees - each of which would be run through the eVerify system by the IRS. Amounts found not to have been allocated to (eVerify) eligible workers would no longer be accepted as tax deductible (direct labor cost) expenses. Employers have little fear of the limited power of ICE, but very much fear the great power of the IRS.

Very good point, something I'd never thought of. Let's do it.

 

[GolfingChef]

They knew the EO’s were coming. Anyone with an ounce of integrity knew it too

 

[GolfingChef]

They knew the EO’s were coming. Anyone with an ounce of integrity knew it too

Your numbers go back to Oct, before the election.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Very good point, something I'd never thought of. Let's do it.

Yep, most considered making eVerify a tool for use by the employer only. Basically, even making that ‘mandatory’ would just put the fox in charge of guarding the henhouse. Admittedly, my idea would place more record keeping burden on the employer, but cheating (using illegal labor) would be much harder to do and the savings in interior immigration law enforcement costs could allow lower taxation of employers to help offset the increased regulatory (record keeping) costs of such a system.

 

[Chomsky]

This is what happens when you don't secure the border, forcing yourself to provide amnesty.

 

[Chomsky]

Good grief...... And open borders were called a conspiracy theory
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TEXAS - There recently has been a nearly 200% increase in attempts to cross the U.S. border in Texas, according to Customs and Border Protection.

Border Patrol stations in the Del Rio Sector reported encounters with over 31,000 people since October, roughly a 193% increase over the same time a year earlier.

200% surge in illegal border crossings reported

Border Patrol stations in Texas have encountered over 31,000 people trying to cross the border illegally since October.

www.fox5ny.com

Looks like that Trump wall ain't working like claimed.

 

[mike2810]

Good grief...... And open borders were called a conspiracy theory
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TEXAS - There recently has been a nearly 200% increase in attempts to cross the U.S. border in Texas, according to Customs and Border Protection.

Border Patrol stations in the Del Rio Sector reported encounters with over 31,000 people since October, roughly a 193% increase over the same time a year earlier.

200% surge in illegal border crossings reported

Border Patrol stations in Texas have encountered over 31,000 people trying to cross the border illegally since October.

www.fox5ny.com

What is interesting with the news release is the time period it covers. Guess who was President at the time of the increase? Hint: it was not Biden.
In fact the start of the increase happened before the election. Isn't it amazing how data can be presented depending on ones agenda.

" Since the beginning of Fiscal Year 2021, Oct. 1, Del Rio Sector has encountered more than 31,000 individuals, approximately a 193 percent increase over the same time last year. For some, the journey proves to be dangerous. Agents in the Del Rio Sector have rescued more than 275 individuals attempting to illegally enter the United States, a 425 percent increase over Fiscal Year 2020.
Del Rio Sector Border Patrol Sees Increase in Encounters | U.S. Customs and Border Protection (cbp.gov)

 

[ttwtt78640]

Looks like that Trump wall ain't working like claimed.

We will never fix the supply (illegal worker) problem if we do not address the demand side (employers hiring illegal labor).

 

[Perotista]

Yep, most considered making eVerify a tool for use by the employer only. Basically, even making that ‘mandatory’ would just put the fox in charge of guarding the henhouse. Admittedly, my idea would place more record keeping burden on the employer, but cheating (using illegal labor) would be much harder to do and the savings in interior immigration law enforcement costs could allow lower taxation of employers to help offset the increased regulatory (record keeping) costs of such a system.

And I would add hefty fines for any employer who hires an illegal to go along with your idea. Say $500 per illegal the first time, if caught a second hiring illegals, double it to a $1,000 per illegal, a third time, double it again along with a 6 month closure. The fourth time, would be permanent along with a $10,000 fine per illegal.

 

[Chomsky]

We will never fix the supply (illegal worker) problem if we do not address the demand side (employers hiring illegal labor).

It was a facetious comment.

Can't stand Trump and his bragging., but very much want the border sealed. Just as bad, we need to stop overstayed visas - too! Amnesty means nothing, without a sealed border.

 

[ttwtt78640]

And I would add hefty fines for any employer who hires an illegal to go along with your idea. Say $500 per illegal the first time, if caught a second hiring illegals, double it to a $1,000 per illegal, a third time, double it again along with a 6 month closure. The fourth time, would be permanent along with a $10,000 fine per illegal.

That should not be necessary. Since (legitimate) direct labor costs are 100% tax deductible expenses, a $30K annual direct labor cost being denied (assuming a 20% marginal federal income tax rate) would cost the employer $6K/year per illegal worker (payable to the US Treasury). That would only make sense to an employer if they could get illegal labor to work for less than 80% of the local prevailing wage. I doubt that many employers would have a hard time finding legal people to work for $36K/year ($17.30/hour) or under.

 

[ttwtt78640]

It was a facetious comment.

Can't stand Trump and his bragging., but very much want the border sealed. Just as bad, we need to stop overstayed visas - too! Amnesty means nothing, without a sealed border.

Overstayed visas are not a border security issue.

 

[Chomsky]

Overstayed visas are not a border security issue.

No, but they're an illegal immigration issue. 60% of illegal immigration is overstayed visas. Only 40% is illegal border crossings. You've got to stop both, if you want to solve the problem.

Trump, for whatever reason, only wanted to address the border issue.

 

[Visbek]

Good grief...... And open borders were called a conspiracy theory

That's because... it is a conspiracy theory.

Notice how border crossings peaked about 20 years ago?

Notice the big spike during Trump's administration? Why didn't you call that an "open border" policy?

But hey, don't let a pesky thing like facts get in the way of a baseless rant.

 

[jonny5]

Trump isnt President. Whats BIDEN and congress doing about this?