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Watch RNC Security Literally Quash Free Speech With Actual Symbol of Free Speech

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Watch RNC Security Literally Quash Free Speech With Actual Symbol of Free Speech


There have been metaphors of varying quality and degree thrown around at this year’s Republican National Convention in Cleveland, Ohio, but the Award for Most Absurdly On-the-Nose Imagery has to go to the RNC security staff who dealt with a Code Pink protester holding a ”No Racism, No Hate” banner following Dr. Ben Carson‘s speech Tuesday night. Now, Code Pink annoys everyone, so I get it, but if you’re going to eject someone for exercising free speech (which you’re allowed to do at your own event), don’t do it by literally assaulting that person with the physical embodiment of our right to free speech




I dont know this website (seems like a biased fluff and hype site) nor do I think Im familiar with "code pink" but that aside it looks like the circus of politics continues!!!!

What do you think of this video? The even people have every right to remover her but what about the actions of others here?

Do you think its assault?
Do you think they are infringing on her free speech?
Do you think its attempted theft?

I read A LOT of fluff and hype on this and I want to know what you think.

after you have your own personal answers now ask yourself if they change if that was your friend, sister, mom, daughter, wife or girlfriend etc?

For my take I think its crazy that a sign that says no racism no hate bothers people, I think what they did to here is horrible and if that was my mom, sister, daughter, wife girlfriend etc I don't know if I could control myself. I also think things turn out lucky, she could have been pulled to the ground or worse yet over a rail or over seats.

Again SECURITY or STAFF removing her I have zero issues with, but the pulling at her and covering her head with the flag and surrounding her is something I would never tolerate as a person or by stander in that situation whether i agree with her or not.

Like I said The circus show made up of fluff and hype continues . . . .so said.
 

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No, she's trespassing on a private event and they don't have to let her stay.

Her sign is also a big lie and insulting.

She can be arrested and she should be......it's stupid and rude behavior.
 

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No, she's trespassing on a private event and they don't have to let her stay.

Her sign is also a big lie and insulting.

She can be arrested and she should be......it's stupid and rude behavior.

How, exactly, is a sign that says, "No Racism, No Hate" in any way a 'big lie' or 'insulting'?

It isn't...except for in the eyes of those who have reason to feel insecure about what the sign says.
 

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How, exactly, is a sign that says, "No Racism, No Hate" in any way a 'big lie' or 'insulting'?

That's obvious, she's accusing Trump of being a hateful racist.....which is a lie.

That was easy.

:)
 

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The sign accused no one. But certain individuals apparently had reason to feel insecure about what it said. Gee, wonder why?

Well this may explain it
 

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Code Pink is obviously just there to cause problems. They can kick them out if they want.
 

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I dont know this website (seems like a biased fluff and hype site) nor do I think Im familiar with "code pink" but that aside it looks like the circus of politics continues!!!!

What do you think of this video? The even people have every right to remover her but what about the actions of others here?

Do you think its assault?
Do you think they are infringing on her free speech?
Do you think its attempted theft?

I read A LOT of fluff and hype on this and I want to know what you think.

after you have your own personal answers now ask yourself if they change if that was your friend, sister, mom, daughter, wife or girlfriend etc?

For my take I think its crazy that a sign that says no racism no hate bothers people, I think what they did to here is horrible and if that was my mom, sister, daughter, wife girlfriend etc I don't know if I could control myself. I also think things turn out lucky, she could have been pulled to the ground or worse yet over a rail or over seats.

Again SECURITY or STAFF removing her I have zero issues with, but the pulling at her and covering her head with the flag and surrounding her is something I would never tolerate as a person or by stander in that situation whether i agree with her or not.

Like I said The circus show made up of fluff and hype continues . . . .so said.

You don't have an implicit right to be on someone else's property to protest anything.
Assault, ehh I don't know.
Seems like she was forcing herself through the small crowd and other than people pulling on her sign, I didn't really see any instances of assault.

If it was a female family member, I'd think they were stupid, stupidity does not start with non blood relations.
 

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1.)No, she's trespassing on a private event and they don't have to let her stay.
2.)Her sign is also a big lie and insulting.
3.)She can be arrested and she should be......
4.) it's stupid and rude behavior.

1.) I have no issue with her being mad to leave by security/staff and said so twice, that doesnt answer any questions i asked at all
2.) thats factually not true and that opinion is also meaningless to my questions and doesnt answer them
3.) in the video she broke no law, she cant be arrested so, no she shouldnt. That also doesnt answer
4.) you are free to that opinion but again for a fourth time that doesnt answer anything lol
 

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Code Pink is obviously just there to cause problems. They can kick them out if they want.

100% true, I agree security/staff can make her leave and said so twice. Do you have an opinion on my questions though?
 

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For my take, I think its crazy that a sign that says no racism no hate bothers people.

The RNC and/or Trump's camp might say that the woman parading around holding up such a banner might be viewed as a distraction for convention goers. However, the bigger problem here is the optics!

The Trump campaign, as well as, the Republican Party both have a race/religious tolerance, anti-feminist problem. You'd think that a message of tolerance would be welcomed especially given how much the GOP has lamented being a "big tent party".

All these does is re-enforce the belief that the GOP is a white populist club.
 

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1.)You don't have an implicit right to be on someone else's property to protest anything.
2.) Assault, ehh I don't know.
Seems like she was forcing herself through the small crowd and other than people pulling on her sign, I didn't really see any instances of assault.
3.) If it was a female family member, I'd think they were stupid, stupidity does not start with non blood relations.

1.) I agree 100% and said staff/security does have the right to remove her and im absolutely fine with that
2.) so if she was standing on the street and random people came up to her surrender her, tried to guide her in directions against her will, drape things over her head and block her direction that wouldnt be assault? again mind you im not sayign its black or white im just saying it seems like a definite grey area.

When is it ok for me to block your movement based on my wants against your will or cover you with something of mine or try to take your property from you? none of that is assault?

3.) well truer words could not be spoken and I agree 100%!!! lol but that doesnt answer my question.

If you had a daughter and somebody did what i just said how would you feel about that. heck lets totally change the situation to try and remove politicas out of it but we will keep everything the same based on legality.

your daughter goes to a sporting event, she has a shirt she is holding up and people dont like for some reason. Guys come up to her and literally cover her with say their shirts or a blanket, she trys to move away from them, they block her, now the blanket is over her head pulling on her, she removes it and again more people try to block her and not let her through. a couple of people now snatch at her shirt trying to tak it from her, almost causing her to stumble and she has to have a tug of war with them.

no assault? her property doesnt matter? . . again not being a smart ass just trying to get people to look at the reality of the situation and ignore things that dont actually matter to the premise of law and threat and property etc.

also let me be clear, security and staff can infact escort her from the building and impede her direction if she is not leaving, this is about random people.
 

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The RNC and/or Trump's camp might say that the woman parading around holding up such a banner might be viewed as a distraction for convention goers. However, the bigger problem here is the optics!

The Trump campaign, as well as, the Republican Party both have a race/religious tolerance, anti-feminist problem. You'd think that a message of tolerance would be welcomed especially given how much the GOP has lamented being a "big tent party".

All these does is re-enforce the belief that the GOP is a white populist club.

Well i partially agree, i dont think this changes anybody's mind but it is weird that the sign bothered anybody . . .
to be fair Its possible something happened before hand we missed or she was chanting something people didnt like too . . that doesnt justify anybody not staff touching her or blocking her im just saying there are thigns we dont know.
 

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1.) I agree 100% and said staff/security does have the right to remove her and im absolutely fine with that
2.) so if she was standing on the street and random people came up to her surrender her, tried to guide her in directions against her will, drape things over her head and block her direction that wouldnt be assault? again mind you im not sayign its black or white im just saying it seems like a definite grey area.

When is it ok for me to block your movement based on my wants against your will or cover you with something of mine or try to take your property from you? none of that is assault?

3.) well truer words could not be spoken and I agree 100%!!! lol but that doesnt answer my question.

If you had a daughter and somebody did what i just said how would you feel about that. heck lets totally change the situation to try and remove politicas out of it but we will keep everything the same based on legality.

your daughter goes to a sporting event, she has a shirt she is holding up and people dont like for some reason. Guys come up to her and literally cover her with say their shirts or a blanket, she trys to move away from them, they block her, now the blanket is over her head pulling on her, she removes it and again more people try to block her and not let her through. a couple of people now snatch at her shirt trying to tak it from her, almost causing her to stumble and she has to have a tug of war with them.

no assault? her property doesnt matter? . . again not being a smart ass just trying to get people to look at the reality of the situation and ignore things that dont actually matter to the premise of law and threat and property etc.

also let me be clear, security and staff can infact escort her from the building and impede her direction if she is not leaving, this is about random people.

Honestly it's a nonissue for me.
She was trying to get in CSPANs view, people blocked it because the GOP already has enough **** to deal with this year.
The army of protesters, counter protesters, counter-counter protesters, etc.

I don't think those people were security, but convention goers who tried to block her.
 

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Honestly it's a nonissue for me.
She was trying to get in CSPANs view, people blocked it because the GOP already has enough **** to deal with this year.
The army of protesters, counter protesters, counter-counter protesters, etc.

I don't think those people were security, but convention goers who tried to block her.

oh i agree she was trying to make a statement and the GOP/politics has enough to deal with. Its a circus on both sides and its pathetic!!!
but again what bout my scenario and if it was your daughter? I think most people ignore the emotional part of politics and in the case of their family while blood doesn't excuse dumb they would look at it just based on law, threat and property and it would be unacceptable.

I can only speak for me but if i was there and there close I would have come to the ladies aid because the actions were wrong and I do view it as assault.
 

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Well i partially agree, i dont think this changes anybody's mind but it is weird that the sign bothered anybody . . .
to be fair Its possible something happened before hand we missed or she was chanting something people didnt like too . . that doesnt justify anybody not staff touching her or blocking her im just saying there are thigns we dont know.

I agree that we probably don't know all the facts here. We only know how she was treated during the short video. We don't know if she was disruptive in any other way other than her walking around holding up a sign that read anything other than "Vote Trump" or "Make America Great Again". My point, however, is that if nothing else happened why would such a sign be worthy of covering up and its holder being booed and/or kicked out? You'd think she'd be welcomed.
 

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I agree that we probably don't know all the facts here. We only know how she was treated during the short video. We don't know if she was disruptive in any other way other than her walking around holding up a sign that read anything other than "Vote Trump" or "Make America Great Again". My point, however, is that if nothing else happened why would such a sign be worthy of covering up and its holder being booed and/or kicked out? You'd think she'd be welcomed.

I agree 100%
and while i mention it to be fair it really doesn't matter if she was disruptive, i view it as assault either way.
unless she was assaulting people before the video stated theres no call for her treatment
 

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What do you think of this video? The even people have every right to remover her but what about the actions of others here?

Compared to the sort of violence and "in your face" militancy we've seen against Trump supporters in cities like Chicago, Phoenix, Richmond, Burlingame, Salt Lake City, San Jose, Costa Mesa, etc. the "assault" on her appears pretty mild.

Do you think its assault?

Compared to what? This?



Do you think they are infringing on her free speech?

No. The First Amendment doesn't give her the right to be an asshat at a private convention.

Do you think its attempted theft?

Probably, but I can't get worked up over it.

after you have your own personal answers now ask yourself if they change if that was your friend, sister, mom, daughter, wife or girlfriend etc?

I'd tell her if that's what she wants to do go ahead and do it, but don't be surprised if she's accosted.

For my take I think its crazy that a sign that says no racism no hate bothers people, I think what they did to here is horrible and if that was my mom, sister, daughter, wife girlfriend etc I don't know if I could control myself. I also think things turn out lucky, she could have been pulled to the ground or worse yet over a rail or over seats.

The unstated inference we're left with is "You people are haters--bigots." Who wants to see that crap? I know I don't. And I'll bet she didn't walk into the arena holding that sign. She had to unfurl it once inside because she knew she wouldn't be making any friends with it.
 

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1.)Compared to the sort of violence and "in your face" militancy we've seen against Trump supporters in cities like Chicago, Phoenix, Richmond, Burlingame, Salt Lake City, San Jose, Costa Mesa, etc. the "assault" on her appears pretty mild.
2.)Compared to what? This?




3.)No. The First Amendment doesn't give her the right to be an asshat at a private convention.
4.)Probably, but I can't get worked up over it.
5.) I'd tell her if that's what she wants to do go ahead and do it, but don't be surprised if she's accosted.
6.)The unstated inference we're left with is "You people are haters--bigots." Who wants to see that crap? I know I don't. And I'll bet she didn't walk into the arena holding that sign. She had to unfurl it once inside because she knew she wouldn't be making any friends with it.

1.) notice how i did not condemn the group or any group just the people involved so other cases are meaningless to my question and strawmen.
2.) again, not compared to any strawmen, the question is general, do you have an answer?
3.) and a third strawman, who said she had the right to be asshat? so covering somebody up against their will is not an infringement of speech or assault?
4.) not asking anybody to get worked up over it, im not, politics is a circus and this is just one of many acts, its just a general question so your answer is yes, thanks
5.) i asked if it sways your original answers not what you would tell her
6.) oddly that sign would NEVER have the effect on me but to each thier own. It would never make me think she think im a bigot simply cause im not" even if it did i wouldnt assault her, hinder her speech or try to take her property.
 

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Does anyone see the irony of those who hate the First Amendments protections of free speech whining that they're not getting their free speech?
 

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Do you think its assault?
Do you think they are infringing on her free speech?
Do you think its attempted theft?

Actually, it might be assault and battery. Battery is just an unlawful intentional touching, to simplify it. Doesn't require a punch or actual injuries. Hard to see it clearly here though. If he's using a flag held taut to actually push her away using that flag, then I suppose it's technically an A&B, but given how inconsequential the touching was, I doubt anyone actually facing trial over it. But it isn't clear that the guy actually made contact - looks more like he was trying to block her from view or...something.

Could be an assault (attempted battery version), but again, not the kind of thing I would expect anyone to get prosecuted over.

It's definitely not an infringement of her right to free speech because the Trump supporters are not state actors.

Attempted theft would be trickier. Can you really infer intent to permanently deprive her of the sign? Seems at least equally inferable that they wanted to pull it down until security removed her.
 
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That's obvious, she's accusing Trump of being a hateful racist.....which is a lie.

The words would be too small if she'd had to write, "no racism, no hatred; and if you're not a hateful racist, don't pretend to be one in order to pander to people who are while simultaneously trying to generate outrage on the left so you can tell your right wing supporters that the big mean leftists are victimizing them with "political correctness".

I mean, it's practically a run on sentence.
 

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No, she's trespassing on a private event and they don't have to let her stay.

Was it a ticket-only event and she snuck in without a ticket?
 

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Was it a ticket-only event and she snuck in without a ticket?

When she disrupts a private event she becomes an unwelcome guest and they can throw her out.
 

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The sign accused no one. But certain individuals apparently had reason to feel insecure about what it said. Gee, wonder why?

So let's see if I can help you with this since you are struggling with it. The sign reads "no racism, no hate."

Who do you think the message was directed at? Hillary Clinton?

Here's a clue for you.

“What Trump is doing is an affront to human decency and a threat to our democracy.” said Chelsea Byers, a CODEPINK Campaign Director and the activist who disrupted Trump during his speech. “His hateful words against Muslims are insidious and the manifestation of those words will be aggression, violence, and ultimately war.”

CODEPINK Activists Disrupt Donald Trump Rally in Las Vegas | CODEPINK
 
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