Wasn't it obvious? As of today US will lose a serious war.

[maxparrish]

While the military was busied itself for decades focusing on getting women into combat roles and their relentless diversity training they failed to do its real job - make sure the US wins in the next war. What has been obvious for the last 20 years in the civilian world is news to our "progressive and enlightened" military leadership, i.e.; that cutting the budget for the entire US military foolishly relied on replacing quantity and quality of material and personnel spiffy new "information systems" was self-delusional pap about technological supremacy of situational awareness (even as the west was totally blind to Russian mobilization on Ukraine's 2014 border).

Hence, when Obama and Gates were busy slashing military spending on projects like the F-22, the "better information strategy" with the F-35 was touted as a cost-effective alternative. The mantra was, in so many words, why worry about the actual combat limitations of a slow and somewhat stealthy plane or bother with the advantages of a Zumwalt destroyer when we have better information? Computers and the Internet are the cheap miracle workers...right?

Whoops...turns out just like voting machines and the entire civilian world (including the producers of the remade Battlestar Galactica) ...a smart enemy can disable this "solution" with a little study.

‘It Failed Miserably’: After Wargaming Loss, Joint Chiefs Are Overhauling How the US Military Will Fight

In a fake battle for Taiwan, U.S. forces lost network access almost immediately. Hyten has issued four directives to help change that.

www.defenseone.com

A brutal loss in a wargaming exercise last October convinced the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Gen. John Hyten to scrap joint warfighting concepts that had guided U.S. military operations for decades.

“Without overstating the issue, it failed miserably. An aggressive red team that had been studying the United States for the last 20 years just ran rings around us. They knew exactly what we're going to do before we did it,” Hyten told an audience Monday at the launch of the Emerging Technologies Institute, an effort by the National Defense Industrial Association industry group to speed military modernization.

The Pentagon would not provide the name of the wargame, which was classified, but a defense official said one of the scenarios revolved around a battle for Taiwan. One key lesson: gathering ships, aircraft, and other forces to concentrate and reinforce each other’s combat power also made them sitting ducks.

Even more critically, the blue team lost access to its networks almost immediately.

“We basically attempted an information-dominance structure, where information was ubiquitous to our forces. Just like it was in the first Gulf War, just like it has been for the last 20 years, just like everybody in the world, including China and Russia, have watched us do for the last 30 years,” Hyten said. “Well, what happens if right from the beginning that information is not available? And that’s the big problem that we faced.”

The October exercise was a test for a new Joint Warfighting Concept. But the new joint concept had been largely based on the same joint operations concepts that had guided forces for decades, Hyten said, and the red team easily defeated them.

And here's the "great news" Hyten said the US military won't be fully ready to fight with the new concept till 2030!, still using many of todays weapons, aircraft, and ships.

In other words, when Russia and China decide to attack allies, they can take what they like.

 

[ataraxia]

While the military was busied itself for decades focusing on getting women into combat roles and their relentless diversity training they failed to do its real job - make sure the US wins in the next war. What has been obvious for the last 20 years in the civilian world is news to our "progressive and enlightened" military leadership, i.e.; that cutting the budget for the entire US military foolishly relied on replacing quantity and quality of material and personnel spiffy new "information systems" was self-delusional pap about technological supremacy of situational awareness (even as the west was totally blind to Russian mobilization on Ukraine's 2014 border).

Hence, when Obama and Gates were busy slashing military spending on projects like the F-22, the "better information strategy" with the F-35 was touted as a cost-effective alternative. The mantra was, in so many words, why worry about the actual combat limitations of a slow and somewhat stealthy plane or bother with the advantages of a Zumwalt destroyer when we have better information? Computers and the Internet are the cheap miracle workers...right?

Whoops...turns out just like voting machines and the entire civilian world (including the producers of the remade Battlestar Galactica) ...a smart enemy can disable this "solution" with a little study.

‘It Failed Miserably’: After Wargaming Loss, Joint Chiefs Are Overhauling How the US Military Will Fight

In a fake battle for Taiwan, U.S. forces lost network access almost immediately. Hyten has issued four directives to help change that.

www.defenseone.com

And here's the "great news" Hyten said the US military won't be fully ready to fight with the new concept till 2030!, still using many of todays weapons, aircraft, and ships.

In other words, when Russia and China decide to attack allies, they can take what they like.

Do we know if their systems are any better?

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Do we know if their systems are any better?

It doesn’t matter. The Russians or Chinese are not recruiting women and sorority chicks with lesbian “moms” to combat roles. So if both sides suffer tech blackouts then guess who will win?

 

[Sabre]

Do we know if their systems are any better?

This is from the actual article referenced:

The Pentagon would not provide the name of the wargame, which was classified, but a defense official said one of the scenarios revolved around a battle for Taiwan. One key lesson: gathering ships, aircraft, and other forces to concentrate and reinforce each other’s combat power also made them sitting ducks.

“We always aggregate to fight, and aggregate to survive. But in today’s world, with hypersonic missiles, with significant long-range fires coming at us from all domains, if you're aggregated and everybody knows where you are, you're vulnerable,” Hyten said.

Even more critically, the blue team lost access to its networks almost immediately.

The very last line is the most telling, they were able to hack the network systems and leave the forces blind on information. Does the real enemy have better systems, maybe, maybe not but, we know from current events they are very capable of hacking secured systems and turning them off. In the simulation our forces failed big time, in real life we can not afford that, so this is a very good wake up call, change or die.

 

[maxparrish]

Do we know if their systems are any better?

We know that using our systems fail. We also know that they don't rely on information nets nearly as much as do US forces, and that they can blind us. And it didn't take a war game to discover that. In 2014 Russian war planners completely avoided detection by US surveillance in staging the invasion of Ukraine. While US officials didn't (and I'm not sure has) understand how the Russians did it, it was clear they evaded all intercepted communications nets and blinded the West as to their intentions.

In other words, they know far more how we operate down to a technical level than ever imagined, and know how to keep us blind.

So now we know, if the Chinese are as smart and knowledgeable as the Russians (and I am sure they are) my bet is that in a future conflict over Taiwan the US will suffer horribly.

 

[ataraxia]

It doesn’t matter. The Russians or Chinese are not recruiting women and sorority chicks with lesbian “moms” to combat roles. So if both sides suffer tech blackouts then guess who will win?

Lesbians don’t do as well as straights in tech blackouts? Huh. Whodathought?

 

[Jredbaron96]

In 2014 Russian war planners completely avoided detection by US surveillance in staging the invasion of Ukraine. While US officials didn't (and I'm not sure has) understand how the Russians did it, it was clear they evaded all intercepted communications nets and blinded the West as to their intentions.

They did it by hiding in plain sight.

In the summer of 2014 the Russians mobilized tens of thousands of troops along the Ukrainian border. Most of the units deployed were composed heavily of conscripts, which according to Russian law, cannot be deployed outside Russian borders.

NATO assumed Putin would find some excuse to send them across the border anyways, but while NATO was feeding the Ukrainians suggestions about possible avenues of attack and route marches, a much smaller Russian force of a few battalions crossed the border elsewhere and proceeded to smash the Ukrainian offensive into pieces. The Ukrainians got a few licks in thanks to their air assault troops and one of their artillery batteries hit a Russian convoy as it was withdrawing back across the border, but the damage had already been done and Ukraine's patchwork force fell apart. Kiev accepted the terms of the Minsk agreement not long after.

It's not the first time NATO forces have been fooled by good deception. The Serbs managed to heavily neuter NATO's combined air power in 1999, and it took bombing things the Serbians couldn't hide (like power stations, factories, and infrastructure) to finally force them to capitulate.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Lesbians don’t do as well as straights in tech blackouts? Huh. Whodathought?

Certain not In a hand to hand fight to the death.

 

[ataraxia]

Certain not In a hand to hand fight to the death.

That’s not what we were talking about though. I am not sure why you interjected with that tangential topic.

But anyway- if you want to talk about it, if any country should know about dangerous enemies, it is Israel. Combat duty has been mandatory for women in Israel, and the track record has been impressive.

Women in the Israel Defense Forces - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[EMNofSeattle]

That’s not what we were talking about though. I am not sure why you interjected with that tangential topic.

But anyway- if you want to talk about it, if any country should know about dangerous enemies, it is Israel. Combat duty has been mandatory for women in Israel, and the track record has been impressive.

Women in the Israel Defense Forces - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Women units in Israel are like women border patrol in the Canadian sectors. They are in segregated units on borders with countries that Israel has solid peace agreements with.

Besides, the telos of women is not to fight. Even if women were more effective the role they serve with pregnancy and child reading is more important then military service

 

[ataraxia]

Women units in Israel are like women border patrol in the Canadian sectors. They are in segregated units on borders with countries that Israel has solid peace agreements with.

Besides, the telos of women is not to fight. Even if women were more effective the role they serve with pregnancy and child reading is more important then military service

Israel’s border with the Palestinian Territories, or Syria, or with Hezbollah, is nothing like the Canadian territories. Stop making weird stuff up. This is not a Trump rally.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Israel’s border with the Palestinian Territories, or Syria, or with Hezbollah, is nothing like the Canadian territories. Stop making weird stuff up. This is not a Trump rally.

Women units are not on the front line in the Syrian border. They are on the border with Jordan and Egypt.

 

[Questerr]

It doesn’t matter. The Russians or Chinese are not recruiting women and sorority chicks with lesbian “moms” to combat roles. So if both sides suffer tech blackouts then guess who will win?

The Chinese do have women in combat arms roles. The Russians used to, back when they were steamrolling the Nazis.

Why do you hate women so much?

 

[ataraxia]

Women units are not on the front line in the Syrian border. They are on the border with Jordan and Egypt.

Do these women know that?

History of Women in IDF Combat Units

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

 

[Questerr]

Certain not In a hand to hand fight to the death.

Because a "tech blackout" will make bullets suddenly not work?

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Do these women know that?

History of Women in IDF Combat Units

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

Does not contradict what I wrote

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Because a "tech blackout" will make bullets suddenly not work?

men with rifles can run faster and suffer less injury then women. Plus Russian units won’t have transgenders whos suicide rates are so high that it’s about guarantee they will kill themselves in any serious conflict

 

[EMNofSeattle]

The Chinese do have women in combat arms roles. The Russians used to, back when they were steamrolling the Nazis.

Why do you hate women so much?

Women are less then 4% of Chinas military and nearly all of them are in support roles.


Some women may have seen combat service in the Soviet Army, but there is no reason to believe it was major or effective service. The Soviet Union was big on propaganda and lies and so it cannot be said for sure that claims of women performing in combat are accurate as opposed to propaganda.

 

[Questerr]

men with rifles can run faster and suffer less injury then women. Plus Russian units won’t have transgenders whos suicide rates are so high that it’s about guarantee they will kill themselves in any serious conflict

Can men with rifles run faster than bullets?

Transgender folks have high suicide rates because folks like you treat them like garbage.

 

[Questerr]

Women are less then 4% of Chinas military and nearly all of them are in support roles.


Some women may have seen combat service in the Soviet Army, but there is no reason to believe it was major or effective service. The Soviet Union was big on propaganda and lies and so it cannot be said for sure that claims of women performing in combat are accurate as opposed to propaganda.

And you claimed none of them were in combat arms. Did you knowingly lie or were you just totally ignorant?

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

And here's the "great news" Hyten said the US military won't be fully ready to fight with the new concept till 2030!,

Goodness, how on earth will we "liberate" resource-rich nations?

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Can men with rifles run faster than bullets?

I guess all our soldiers can be obese because physical exertion isn’t a part of combat. Brilliant

Transgender folks have high suicide rates because folks like you treat them like garbage.

No, they do because they’re mentally ill.

 

[Questerr]

I guess all our soldiers can be obese because physical exertion isn’t a part of combat. Brilliant

No, they do because they’re mentally ill.

You equate being a woman with being obese?

Why do you hate women so much?

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Transgender folks have high suicide rates because folks like you treat them like garbage.

Not really.
They obviously have serious issues.
I'm not ridiculing, this is serious illness obviously and cannot be easy to deal with.

For the record: I'll leave it up to the generals to decide if "transgenders" are effective and logistically feasible in the military.
If they say yes, I am certainly no one to tell them otherwise.

 

[Irredentist]

It doesn’t matter. The Russians or Chinese are not recruiting women and sorority chicks with lesbian “moms” to combat roles. So if both sides suffer tech blackouts then guess who will win?

Do you seriously not realize that the reason the US army recruits women is because they have a severe manpower shortage? Pun intended? There are simply not enough male recruits to fill all the necessary roles, so the US army couldn't give up their female soldiers even if they wanted to. So unless you're about to step up and fill their shoes yourself, I'd shut up about it.