Washington United States Senate election, 2006 (1 Viewer)

[Navy Pride]

This is a critical race in Washington State if Democrats have any chance to win back the Senate:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_United_States_Senate_election,_2006

In the most likely scenario of a Cantwell-McGavick matchup in the general election, Cantwell retains a small lead, although nationwide her seat is regarded as one of the most vulnerable this election cycle due to her razor thin win in 2000 and her votes supporting the Iraq war; the National Journal has picked Cantwell as the Democratic Senator most likely to lose her seat in 2006

 

[Navy Pride]

um...okay?

Other than a seat that democrats might potentially lose, is there anything exciting that this brings up that we should discuss? I mean, what is there to debate? She'll win...no she won't...grrrrrrr

Well its kind of like Leiberman and Lamont, Allen and Webb, Santorum and Caey only probably more important because the thinking is the dems have to run the table to take over the senate and if Cantwell lost that could be devestating.

Tell me Galen were you just as outraged over Lamont and Leiberman, Webb and Allen, Santorum and Casey?

Oh wait those are dems trying to win seats............By bad......

 

[Alex]

Rasmussen Polling has Cantwell in the lead.

Cantwell: 46%
McGavick: 40%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2006/State%20Polls/August%202006/WashingtonSenate.htm

Stategic Vision Polling has Cantwell in the lead.

Cantwell: 48%
McGavick: 44%

http://strategicvision.biz/political/washington_poll_072606.htm

Zogby/WSJ has Cantwell in the lead.

Cantwell: 49.4%
McGavick: 41.7%

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-flash06.html?project=elections06-ft&h=495&w=778&hasAd=1&mod=blogs




Cantwell has an approval rating of 55%.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=dd3c02fd-0dbb-4e73-8ffe-63badacafd81



I say she will stay.

 

[Navy Pride]

Rasmussen Polling has Cantwell in the lead.

Cantwell: 46%
McGavick: 40%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2006/State%20Polls/August%202006/WashingtonSenate.htm

Stategic Vision Polling has Cantwell in the lead.

Cantwell: 48%
McGavick: 44%

http://strategicvision.biz/political/washington_poll_072606.htm

Zogby/WSJ has Cantwell in the lead.

Cantwell: 49.4%
McGavick: 41.7%

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-flash06.html?project=elections06-ft&h=495&w=778&hasAd=1&mod=blogs




Cantwell has an approval rating of 55%.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=dd3c02fd-0dbb-4e73-8ffe-63badacafd81



I say she will stay.

Most polls are within the margin of error and she is the incumbent........

I live in Washington and I can tell you that away from Seattle she does not have a 55% approval rating............

 

[Alex]

Most polls are within the margin of error and she is the incumbent........

I live in Washington and I can tell you that away from Seattle she does not have a 55% approval rating............

Margins of error can go both ways.

Do you have a source for a different approval rating? I provided one for my information.

 

[Navy Pride]

Margins of error can go both ways.

Do you have a source for a different approval rating? I provided one for my information.

I don't know if there was and official approval rating on her but I can tell you judging by the things I hear people say about her in Kitsap County which most are not even printable here her approval rating is about 40.......People are still pissed off at her for stealing the election from Slade Gordon the last time........

 

[Indy]

I don't know if there was and official approval rating on her but I can tell you judging by the things I hear people say about her in Kitsap County which most are not even printable here her approval rating is about 40.......People are still pissed off at her for stealing the election from Slade Gordon the last time........

So NP, now your interested in approval ratings huh? Funny though but your boy Bush was an incumbent AND had an approval rating below 50% and was still elected. Go figure. So what's to stop this senator to getting re-elected?

 

[Navy Pride]

So NP, now your interested in approval ratings huh? Funny though but your boy Bush was an incumbent AND had an approval rating below 50% and was still elected. Go figure. So what's to stop this senator to getting re-elected?

No my liberal friend I don't have a lot of use for approval ratings.......Someone else brought up the 55 percent.......Believe what you like but I live here in Washington and Cantwell is in trouble here.........She barely won in the last election athat was so close the first time when the Republican won they had to have a recount.............The second time through the dems got all the dead voters and felons counted so she by a small margin........

That won't happen again.....

 

[southern_liberal]

This is a critical race in Washington State if Democrats have any chance to win back the Senate:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_United_States_Senate_election,_2006

In the most likely scenario of a Cantwell-McGavick matchup in the general election, Cantwell retains a small lead, although nationwide her seat is regarded as one of the most vulnerable this election cycle due to her razor thin win in 2000 and her votes supporting the Iraq war; the National Journal has picked Cantwell as the Democratic Senator most likely to lose her seat in 2006

It doesn't matter if cantwell supported the war or not, Tacoma, Olympia and most importantly, Seattle will never let that seat go to the republicans. Western Washington State, which is the most populous area of the state leans democratic. In fact, most of the Puget Sound leans democrat.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/WA/P/00/map.html

I hope the reps. throw a lot of money at this race. It'll just be another example of republican wastefull spending.

 

[Alex]

I don't know if there was and official approval rating on her but I can tell you judging by the things I hear people say about her in Kitsap County which most are not even printable here her approval rating is about 40.......People are still pissed off at her for stealing the election from Slade Gordon the last time........

I do not doubt you when you state that the area you live in does not approve of her, but the mood of your area does not set the mood of the state. That is what will matter in November. From all the data I have seen, I believe that she will stay. Also, the other Senator is a Democrat, so that says something more about the mood of the state.

 

[Alex]

It doesn't matter if cantwell supported the war or not, Tacoma, Olympia and most importantly, Seattle will never let that seat go to the republicans. Western Washington State, which is the most populous area of the state leans democratic. In fact, most of the Puget Sound leans democrat.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/WA/P/00/map.html

I hope the reps. throw a lot of money at this race. It'll just be another example of republican wastefull spending.

Cantwell has more money to spend on the election.

Cantwell-
Receipts :$10,664,450
Cash on hand:$6,434,894



McGavick, Mike (Republican)-
Receipts:$4,443,124
Cash on hand:$1,086,931

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_United_States_Senate_election%2C_2006

 

[southern_liberal]

Cantwell has more money to spend on the election.

Cantwell-
Receipts :$10,664,450
Cash on hand:$6,434,894



McGavick, Mike (Republican)-
Receipts:$4,443,124
Cash on hand:$1,086,931

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_United_States_Senate_election%2C_2006

Exactly. There's no need for Cantwell to even consider cleaning out her desk; She will be employed for another 4 years.

 

[Navy Pride]

It doesn't matter if cantwell supported the war or not, Tacoma, Olympia and most importantly, Seattle will never let that seat go to the republicans. Western Washington State, which is the most populous area of the state leans democratic. In fact, most of the Puget Sound leans democrat.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/WA/P/00/map.html

I hope the reps. throw a lot of money at this race. It'll just be another example of republican wastefull spending.

Did you ever hear of a 2 term Senator a Republican by the name of Slade Gorton who was the previous senator and who actually won the first count with Cantwell and lost on the second count because as they did in the governor's election this past year on the third count the democratic election committee counted the votes of felons and people who have been dead for years....

We have had campaign reform so hopefully that won't happen again........

Don't worry they will throw a lot of money into it becasue the race is mostly with in the margin of error and if Cantwell lost it would be devestating for the dems in trying to take back the senate.....

 

[Navy Pride]

I do not doubt you when you state that the area you live in does not approve of her, but the mood of your area does not set the mood of the state. That is what will matter in November. From all the data I have seen, I believe that she will stay. Also, the other Senator is a Democrat, so that says something more about the mood of the state.

You basically have the Seattle Tacoma area which is Liberal and democrat and the rest of the state which is more moderate and conservative....................The last time she won by a couple thousand votes with not that good of a turn out from the Republicans becaause Gorton thought he had it in the bag..........This time they are not making that mistake and there is and all out effort to get out the vote and the dems in Seattle will not be able to count dead people or felons........

 

[Alex]

Did you ever hear of a 2 term Senator a Republican by the name of Slade Gorton who was the previous senator and who actually won the first count with Cantwell and lost on the second count because as they did in the governor's election this past year on the third count the democratic election committee counted the votes of felons and people who have been dead for years....

We have had campaign reform so hopefully that won't happen again........

Don't worry they will throw a lot of money into it becasue the race is mostly with in the margin of error and if Cantwell lost it would be devestating for the dems in trying to take back the senate.....

I have never heard of this election fraud. Provide evidence and a source please.

 

[Alex]

Did you ever hear of a 2 term Senator a Republican by the name of Slade Gorton who was the previous senator and who actually won the first count with Cantwell and lost on the second count because as they did in the governor's election this past year on the third count the democratic election committee counted the votes of felons and people who have been dead for years....

I just looked for evidence of your accusations and found none. All I found were blogs that only believed this to be true, without evidence. I did find this, however:

"The election results were extremely close. Early on, Cantwell enjoyed a lead, and TV networks projected a Cantwell victory. As absentee ballots streamed in, Gorton overtook Cantwell and achieved a lead of 15,000 votes. When the liberal Puget Sound area finished counting ballots and the county totals were certified on November 23, Cantwell had regained the lead; she was ahead by 1,953 votes out of 2.5 million cast, about .08%. A mandatory recount increased her lead to 2,229 votes, or .09%."

She won the election from the initial count and the recount.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Cantwell

 

[Navy Pride]

I just looked for evidence of your accusations and found none. All I found were blogs that only believed this to be true, without evidence. I did find this, however:

"The election results were extremely close. Early on, Cantwell enjoyed a lead, and TV networks projected a Cantwell victory. As absentee ballots streamed in, Gorton overtook Cantwell and achieved a lead of 15,000 votes. When the liberal Puget Sound area finished counting ballots and the county totals were certified on November 23, Cantwell had regained the lead; she was ahead by 1,953 votes out of 2.5 million cast, about .08%. A mandatory recount increased her lead to 2,229 votes, or .09%."

She won the election from the initial count and the recount.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Cantwell

Most of the fraud and corruption was caught in the 2004 Governor's race where the Republican Rossi won the first 2 counts and on the third count the Democrat Gregoire won thanks to the counting of felons and dead people.....There were accusations that the same thing happened in the senate race of 2000...................In any case there has been election reform in King County where all the corruption and fraud took place so only legitimate votes can be counted this time...........As close as 2000 was and with the get out the vote for McGavick in 2006 who knows what will happen.......

 

[Alex]

Most of the fraud and corruption was caught in the 2004 Governor's race where the Republican Rossi won the first 2 counts and on the third count the Democrat Gregoire won thanks to the counting of felons and dead people.....There were accusations that the same thing happened in the senate race of 2000...................In any case there has been election reform in King County where all the corruption and fraud took place so only legitimate votes can be counted this time...........As close as 2000 was and with the get out the vote for McGavick in 2006 who knows what will happen.......

I just read about that governor election. I bet you guys in Washington were very confused for awhile.

Anyway, the problem started from absentee ballots being denied by voting machines.

"King County Council Chairman Larry Phillips was at a Democratic Party office in Seattle on Sunday December 12, reviewing a list of voters whose absentee votes had been rejected due to signature problems, when to his surprise he found his own name listed."

This caused a machine recount and then a manual recount. I think this was well justified. People's votes were not being counted and they should have been. This is another example of failing voting machines. Get rid of them!

After the necessary recounts, Gregoire won, and rightfully so. The majority of the votes were in her favor.




I found information about the felons votes.

"A substantial number of the felon-voters were convicted as juveniles and were legally permitted to vote. Conservative columnists suggested that felons were more likely to vote for Gregoire, but most of the felon-voters resided in counties won by Rossi"

Totally legal!



After testimony by some of the "unlawful" voting felons, it turns out that they voted for Rossi! What is amusing to me is that the Republicans brought about this lawsuit! It caused votes to be taken away from the Republican candidate.

"Bridges also removed five votes from the final count after receiving testimony from convicted felons who had voted: four for Rossi and one for Ruth Bennett. No evidence was brought before the court of anyone illegally voting for Gregoire."

"The judge admitted nearly every piece of evidence the Republican Party offered and then wrote a thorough, tough opinion rejecting the Republicans' claims"

I found nothing to suggest that dead people's votes were counted. If they were, they probably would have voted Republican because they have more in common.... death! :rofl (just kidding Navy)




Gregoire won fair and square.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_gubernatorial_election,_2004

 

[Navy Pride]

I just read about that governor election. I bet you guys in Washington were very confused for awhile.

Anyway, the problem started from absentee ballots being denied by voting machines.

"King County Council Chairman Larry Phillips was at a Democratic Party office in Seattle on Sunday December 12, reviewing a list of voters whose absentee votes had been rejected due to signature problems, when to his surprise he found his own name listed."

This caused a machine recount and then a manual recount. I think this was well justified. People's votes were not being counted and they should have been. This is another example of failing voting machines. Get rid of them!

After the necessary recounts, Gregoire won, and rightfully so. The majority of the votes were in her favor.




I found information about the felons votes.

"A substantial number of the felon-voters were convicted as juveniles and were legally permitted to vote. Conservative columnists suggested that felons were more likely to vote for Gregoire, but most of the felon-voters resided in counties won by Rossi"

Totally legal!



After testimony by some of the "unlawful" voting felons, it turns out that they voted for Rossi! What is amusing to me is that the Republicans brought about this lawsuit! It caused votes to be taken away from the Republican candidate.

"Bridges also removed five votes from the final count after receiving testimony from convicted felons who had voted: four for Rossi and one for Ruth Bennett. No evidence was brought before the court of anyone illegally voting for Gregoire."

"The judge admitted nearly every piece of evidence the Republican Party offered and then wrote a thorough, tough opinion rejecting the Republicans' claims"

I found nothing to suggest that dead people's votes were counted. If they were, they probably would have voted Republican because they have more in common.... death! :rofl (just kidding Navy)




Gregoire won fair and square.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_gubernatorial_election,_2004

Here you go.I did a quick Google.....

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/206969_dead07.html
Friday, January 7, 2005

Dead voted in governor's race
King County investigating 'ghost voter' cases

By PHUONG CAT LE AND MICHELLE NICOLOSI
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER INVESTIGATIVE REPORTERS

At least eight people who died well before the November general election were credited with voting in King County, raising new questions about the integrity of the vote total in the narrow governor's race, a Seattle Post-Intelligencer review has found.

The evidence of votes from dead people is the latest example of flaws in an election already rocked by misplaced votes and allegations that there were thousands more votes counted than actual voters.

Mind you now this is in the heavily democrat King County.......

 

[Alex]

Here you go.I did a quick Google.....

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/206969_dead07.html
Friday, January 7, 2005

Dead voted in governor's race
King County investigating 'ghost voter' cases

By PHUONG CAT LE AND MICHELLE NICOLOSI
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER INVESTIGATIVE REPORTERS

At least eight people who died well before the November general election were credited with voting in King County, raising new questions about the integrity of the vote total in the narrow governor's race, a Seattle Post-Intelligencer review has found.

The evidence of votes from dead people is the latest example of flaws in an election already rocked by misplaced votes and allegations that there were thousands more votes counted than actual voters.

Mind you now this is in the heavily democrat King County.......

From your source:

"Bob Holmgren said yesterday that he voted on behalf of his late wife, Charlette Holmgren, who died Sept. 29. The West Seattle man filled out his own ballot and hers, and signed both of them.

"Her vote was important to her," Holmgren said. "She was very strongly against Governor-elect Gregoire." Election officials said all signatures on absentee ballots were doubled-checked against the signature on record."

So the votes of the dead could count against the Republican candidate also. Nothing in that article suggested that votes were for Democrats.

Nothing in that article suggests that the Democrat or Republican candidates, or their parties, had anything to do with the votes of the dead people. The examples listed point to spouses voting for their dead husband or wife.

 

[southern_liberal]

Did you ever hear of a 2 term Senator a Republican by the name of Slade Gorton who was the previous senator and who actually won the first count with Cantwell and lost on the second count because as they did in the governor's election this past year on the third count the democratic election committee counted the votes of felons and people who have been dead for years....

We have had campaign reform so hopefully that won't happen again........

Don't worry they will throw a lot of money into it becasue the race is mostly with in the margin of error and if Cantwell lost it would be devestating for the dems in trying to take back the senate.....

But your forgetting, there is now a fired up democratic base. 6 years of rep. rule has taken it's toll on the country. Not only that, Dubya has lost the independent vote. Cantwell doesn't have a thing to worry about.

 

[Navy Pride]

But your forgetting, there is now a fired up democratic base. 6 years of rep. rule has taken it's toll on the country. Not only that, Dubya has lost the independent vote. Cantwell doesn't have a thing to worry about.

You know with all respect I live here SD and I know who is trying to get out the vote and its the Independents in the state who are mostly moderate and conservatives who would never vote for a liberal.........

 

[Navy Pride]

From your source:

"Bob Holmgren said yesterday that he voted on behalf of his late wife, Charlette Holmgren, who died Sept. 29. The West Seattle man filled out his own ballot and hers, and signed both of them.

"Her vote was important to her," Holmgren said. "She was very strongly against Governor-elect Gregoire." Election officials said all signatures on absentee ballots were doubled-checked against the signature on record."

So the votes of the dead could count against the Republican candidate also. Nothing in that article suggested that votes were for Democrats.

Nothing in that article suggests that the Democrat or Republican candidates, or their parties, had anything to do with the votes of the dead people. The examples listed point to spouses voting for their dead husband or wife.

What about the thousands of people who voted who were not even registered? What about the bags of ballots they found in corners and behind desks after the count? This was all done in King Country which covers the Seattle Area, the most liberal and populous county in th state......

 

[Alex]

What about the thousands of people who voted who were not even registered? What about the bags of ballots they found in corners and behind desks after the count? This was all done in King Country which covers the Seattle Area, the most liberal and populous county in th state......

I did not find any evidence of this. Probably just be a myth started by the winner's opponent(s).

All the evidence that I found points to Gregoire winning the election because she got the majority of the vote, as I clearly showed in this thread.

 

[Navy Pride]

I did not find any evidence of this. Probably just be a myth started by the winner's opponent(s).

All the evidence that I found points to Gregoire winning the election because she got the majority of the vote, as I clearly showed in this thread.

Come on man get real............I posted a link from the Seattle Post Intelligencer saying that there were thousands of people voting that were actually registered in King County.........