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Washington 'snubbed Iran offer'

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IF and that is a huge if, this report is both accurate and truthful, then the Bush whitehouse deserves an almighty kick up it's collective a$$.
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BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | Washington 'snubbed Iran offer'
There are but 3 ways of dealing with those that you consider to be your enemy,
1) Ignore them.
2) Bomb or attack them.
3) Talk with them.
Jaw jaw is far and away better than war war.
 
IF and that is a huge if, this report is both accurate and truthful, then the Bush whitehouse deserves an almighty kick up it's collective a$$.
Link
BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | Washington 'snubbed Iran offer'
There are but 3 ways of dealing with those that you consider to be your enemy,
1) Ignore them.
2) Bomb or attack them.
3) Talk with them.
Jaw jaw is far and away better than war war.

Unless your political party is in deep kimshi and you think starting another war will get a rise in the polls. Or you are deep down a religious zealot who believes the end times are upon us and the second coming will be accelerated by starting the foretold great war in the ME.
 
Their offer :

Tehran proposed ending support for Lebanese and Palestinian militant groups and helping to stabilise Iraq following the US-led invasion.

Offers, including making its nuclear programme more transparent, were conditional on the US ending hostility.

Our reponse :

"We thought it was a very propitious moment to do that," Lawrence Wilkerson told Newsnight.

"But as soon as it got to the White House, and as soon as it got to the Vice-President's office, the old mantra of 'We don't talk to evil'... reasserted itself."

3 words. Holy Living Cheney.
 
..... we got war mongrels in office, no surprise that these morons would do such. They want war, they don't care how many ppl die, they just want all out war.
 
This is old news. From a WP story dated June 18, 2006 (and as the story notes, this approach by the Iranians had been previously reported even then):

Trita Parsi, a Middle East expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, said he obtained it from Iranian sources. The Washington Post confirmed its authenticity with Iranian and former U.S. officials.

Parsi said the U.S. victory in Iraq frightened the Iranians because U.S. forces had routed in three weeks an army that Iran had failed to defeat during a bloody eight-year war.

The document lists a series of Iranian aims for the talks, such as ending sanctions, full access to peaceful nuclear technology and a recognition of its "legitimate security interests." Iran agreed to put a series of U.S. aims on the agenda, including full cooperation on nuclear safeguards, "decisive action" against terrorists, coordination in Iraq, ending "material support" for Palestinian militias and accepting the Saudi initiative for a two-state solution in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The document also laid out an agenda for negotiations, with possible steps to be achieved at a first meeting and the development of negotiating road maps on disarmament, terrorism and economic cooperation.

Newsday has previously reported that the document was primarily the work of Sadegh Kharazi, Iran's ambassador to France and nephew of Iranian Foreign Minister Kamal Kharazi and passed on by the Swiss ambassador to Tehran, Tim Guldimann. The Swiss government is a diplomatic channel for communications between Tehran and Washington because the two countries broke off relations after the 1979 seizure of U.S. embassy personnel.

Leverett said Guldimann included a cover letter that it was an authoritative initiative that had the support of then-President Mohammad Khatami and supreme religious leader Ali Khamenei.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has stressed that the U.S. decision to join the nuclear talks was not an effort to strike a "grand bargain" with Iran. Earlier this month, she made the first official confirmation of the Iranian proposal in an interview with National Public Radio.

"What the Iranians wanted earlier was to be one-on-one with the United States so that this could be about the United States and Iran," said Rice, who was Bush's national security adviser when the fax was received. "Now it is Iran and the international community, and Iran has to answer to the international community. I think that's the strongest possible position to be in."
[...]
Richard N. Haass, head of policy planning at the State Department at the time and now president of the Council on Foreign Relations, said the Iranian approach was swiftly rejected because in the administration "the bias was toward a policy of regime change." He said it is difficult to know whether the proposal was fully supported by the "multiple governments" that run Iran, but he felt it was worth exploring.

"To use an oil analogy, we could have drilled a dry hole," he said. "But I didn't see what we had to lose. I did not share the assessment of many in the administration that the Iranian regime was on the brink."

What might have happened had we taken the Iranians up on their offer? Who knows?
 
This is old news. From a WP story dated June 18, 2006 (and as the story notes, this approach by the Iranians had been previously reported even then):

What might have happened had we taken the Iranians up on their offer? Who knows?

I would bet we wouldnt be on the brink of a showdown with them. Did you hear? They shot one of our planes.

Q: Is that an act of war? :|
 
I would bet we wouldnt be on the brink of a showdown with them. Did you hear? They shot one of our planes.

Q: Is that an act of war? :|

Why the hell do you care....you and your type would just protest against it anyways.......to people like you there is no reason EVER to go to war.......they can threaten us, attack us, attack our allies and still the anti war morons will protest........
 
Why the hell do you care....you and your type would just protest against it anyways.......to people like you there is no reason EVER to go to war.......they can threaten us, attack us, attack our allies and still the anti war morons will protest........

LOL Ooh To people like me. Please stop before you hurt yourself typing. No need to get hyped up.
 
I would bet we wouldnt be on the brink of a showdown with them. Did you hear? They shot one of our planes.

Q: Is that an act of war? :|

AFAIK, we have yet to confirm that Iran did indeed shoot down one of our unmanned spy planes. Last I read, we still maintain that we are not missing any of ours. Not regarded as an act of war: among other reasons, a recon plane is typically unarmed and flights do not threaten damage to lives or infrastructure (although some Predators are armed with Hellfire missiles, it is doubtful that a Predator on a pure recon mission would be armed).
 
AFAIK, we have yet to confirm that Iran did indeed shoot down one of our unmanned spy planes. Last I read, we still maintain that we are not missing any of ours. Not regarded as an act of war: among other reasons, a recon plane is typically unarmed and flights do not threaten damage to lives or infrastructure (although some Predators are armed with Hellfire missiles, it is doubtful that a Predator on a pure recon mission would be armed).
Doesn't matter if it's armed or unarmed, it is still a violation of the sovereign air space above another nation. Add to that it being a military aircraft.
To hell with spy plane or not, think about it, any un-identified flying object would be shot down over US airspace. During the cold war had the soviets been caught with a plane in our airspace it would've nearly resulted in nuclear nightmare. I don't care if it's Iraq, Pakistan or any other country, if your plane gets shot down by another nation while un-announced over their airspace - too bad - you're in violation of a nation's sovereignty and you got caught. We'd do the same thing.
 
Doesn't matter if it's armed or unarmed, it is still a violation of the sovereign air space above another nation. Add to that it being a military aircraft.
To hell with spy plane or not, think about it, any un-identified flying object would be shot down over US airspace. During the cold war had the soviets been caught with a plane in our airspace it would've nearly resulted in nuclear nightmare. I don't care if it's Iraq, Pakistan or any other country, if your plane gets shot down by another nation while un-announced over their airspace - too bad - you're in violation of a nation's sovereignty and you got caught. We'd do the same thing.

Almost - but not quite - correct. But its still not typically considered an act of war. Otherwise, the Soviets, would have had more of a reaction after Powers' U2 was shot down over Soviet Russia, Cuba would have had more of a reaction after a U2 was shot down over Cuba, etc. Instead, there was no "nuclear nightmare", just a huge embarrassment for the US.

Conversely, as I recall it, after they eventually developed the long-range recon version of the Bear (or was it the Badger?), there were many Soviet efforts at sending recon aircraft over the US (prior to this, the Sovs simply had no aircraft capable of the long range necessary, which was another reason they desired bases in Cuba). None are publicly acknowledged to have been successful. We had sufficiently developed radar and early-warning systems that these flights were intercepted and herded beyond the 3-mile limit.
 
Almost - but not quite - correct. But its still not typically considered an act of war. Otherwise, the Soviets, would have had more of a reaction after Powers' U2 was shot down over Soviet Russia, Cuba would have had more of a reaction after a U2 was shot down over Cuba, etc. Instead, there was no "nuclear nightmare", just a huge embarrassment for the US.

Conversely, as I recall it, after they eventually developed the long-range recon version of the Bear (or was it the Badger?), there were many Soviet efforts at sending recon aircraft over the US (prior to this, the Sovs simply had no aircraft capable of the long range necessary, which was another reason they desired bases in Cuba). None are publicly acknowledged to have been successful. We had sufficiently developed radar and early-warning systems that these flights were intercepted and herded beyond the 3-mile limit.
Indeed, we had 2 U-2's shot down over those countries, both were an embarrassment, fortunately neither were armed. What I mistakable left out was about armament inducing a nightmare for both sides.
The underlining premise still remains though, we violated the sovereignty of another nation and got shot down. Can't complain about that. As Hatuey pointed out, it's not an act of war when our plane gets shot down over another nation's air space.
Finally the most important premise of this thread, why not take up the offer?
 
Indeed, we had 2 U-2's shot down over those countries, both were an embarrassment, fortunately neither were armed. What I mistakable left out was about armament inducing a nightmare for both sides.

I am not positive, but I didn't think you could arm the u-2 spy plane. I thought it was strictly reconnasaince, and even if were able to arm it, you most certainly would have to dispose of your armaments before landing. The U-2 is hardly more than a glorified glider.
 
I am not positive, but I didn't think you could arm the u-2 spy plane. I thought it was strictly reconnasaince, and even if were able to arm it, you most certainly would have to dispose of your armaments before landing. The U-2 is hardly more than a glorified glider.
glider with jets:lol: No what I was more referring to initially would be had a plane such as the B-1 crossed over, that would be the begining of a nuke nightmare - think "Failsafe" 1964.
 
Their offer :
Our reponse :
3 words. Holy Living Cheney.

Hmm.
And what was our part of the deal?
Oh wait -- that's not specified.
 
And what was our part of the deal?

What do you mean?

I think the way it would have worked would have been, we end hostilities with them. They make their nuclear programs transparent.
 
Are you defending Cheney on this one?
What's to defend?

As far as I can tell, we dont have a clue as to what they wanted from us.
Given that, its imposible for a reasoned, rational person to judge the propriety of his response.

I note that this didnt stop you, however. Hmm.
 
AFAIK, we have yet to confirm that Iran did indeed shoot down one of our unmanned spy planes. Last I read, we still maintain that we are not missing any of ours. Not regarded as an act of war: among other reasons, a recon plane is typically unarmed and flights do not threaten damage to lives or infrastructure (although some Predators are armed with Hellfire missiles, it is doubtful that a Predator on a pure recon mission would be armed).

Could it have been an Israeli plane? :|
 
What do you mean?
I think the way it would have worked would have been, we end hostilities with them. They make their nuclear programs transparent.

You THINK.

You dont KNOW what they wanted, because as far as I can tell, what they wanted from us isnt specified in the story.

Tell me why you simply assume its something we would accept?
 
Ummm did you read the story? :|

You THINK.

You dont KNOW what they wanted, because as far as I can tell, what they wanted from us isnt specified in the story.

Tell me why you simply assume its something we would accept?

Ummm did you read the story? :|

Their offer :

Tehran proposed ending support for Lebanese and Palestinian militant groups and helping to stabilise Iraq following the US-led invasion.

In return for :

In return for its concessions, Tehran asked Washington to end its hostility, to end sanctions, and to disband the Iranian rebel group the Mujahedeen-e-Khalq and repatriate its members.
 
Aha. The version I read earlier today did not specify what they wanted from us.

Their offer :

Tehran proposed ending support for Lebanese and Palestinian militant groups and helping to stabilise Iraq following the US-led invasion.

In return for :

In return for its concessions, Tehran asked Washington to end its hostility, to end sanctions, and to disband the Iranian rebel group the Mujahedeen-e-Khalq and repatriate its members.

Thank You. Come Again.
 
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