Washington Postal Workers Defy USPS Orders And Reinstall Mail Sorting Machines

[TU Curmudgeon]

Yep, halfway there with two easy explanations. Pretty easy. Good times.

Did you know that the letter grade equivalent of 56.26% is "F".

This is NOT considered to be a passing grade for anything other than a American 20 year-olds' attempt to "graduate High School".

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

...

Leave the FU**ING machines and overtime alone until after the election. ...

That's what the legislation that the House of Representatives recently passed was intended to do.

The odds that that piece of legislation will ever actually make it to the floor of the Senate are very small.

If the unlikely happens and it does actually make it to the floor of the Senate the odds that it will be passed by the Senate are vanishingly small.

If the almost totally unlikely happens and it is passed by the Senate, the odds that it would not be vetoed are so low that the only people who would bet that Mr. Trump will NOT veto it are the people who would bet that the Sun would rise in the West (because someone gave them 10 to 1 odds if they'd bet that way).

 

[Oborosen]

So how would that work?

Simple, a fault can be found in the operation of the machine. Something that anyone, regardless of party, could use to point out that invalidates the items that passed through it.

 

[Oborosen]

Yes, but all the quiet ones are complicit and therefor guilty of the same thing. Republicans on the hill are the only people that can or could have stopped him. They have done nothing. So much for honoring the oath of office they took.

Look at the entire republican convention. It is one continuous criminal act in real time. The Hatch Act is a federal statute. It has been abandoned by the republicans. I sure hope someone is keeping track.

Wow, that hatch act is going to be a lame duck for you guys until the democrats can actually prove it. Good luck on that end.

Then again, they're too busy letting their cities burn and letting their citizens suffer to care at this point. So I don't know how they're going to find the time to snag someone from the RNC on something as far stretched as the hatch act. Because apparently no one had an issue with Obama doing it as well.

But we'll cross that bridge when we come to it I guess.

 

[TomFitz]

This is nothing more that the Trump campaign (notice I did not say Administration, since no one is actually doing actual governing), to scare the public and undermine its confidence in voting.

It’s a supercharged version of the same GOP tactic that is often used in African American neighborhoods, where they mount scare campaigns to drive voters away from the polls.

 

[NWRatCon]

From Forbes.



Washington Postal Workers Defy USPS Orders And Reinstall Mail Sorting Machines

Good job USPS workers!

Deeeepppp Staaatttte!!!! (Go, Go, Deep State, Go!)

 

[NWRatCon]

Did you know that, in America today, IF a "Democrat" developed a 100% safe and effective vaccine that would eradicate all diseases that could be extracted from a plant that used 1/10th of the amount of arable land that is now in cultivation but which provided 100% of the world's necessary food supply THEN the "Republicans" would unite in opposition to its introduction?

Did you know that, in America today, IF a "Republican" developed a 100% safe and effective vaccine that would eradicate all diseases that could be extracted from a plant that used 1/10th of the amount of arable land that is now in cultivation but which provided 100% of the world's necessary food supply THEN the "Democrats" would unite in opposition to its introduction?

The problem is, the second paragraph is a fantasy.

 

[TomFitz]

The problem is, the second paragraph is a fantasy.

Yes, but it’s Trump’s fantasy!

 

[NWRatCon]

Yes, but it’s Trump’s fantasy!

Yes, my friend, it is.

 

[poweRob]

Parcels are done on an APBS, nothing to do with a DBCS, in my location, APBS is in a different building.

I never said DBCS sorted parcels. In fact, I've repeatedly said that the DBCS frees up the time to handle your parcels as you mark them and load you truck. The lack of the DBCS steals time. Which is the whole point of what republicans are trying to do to the post office.

APBS operators do not operate DBCS,s here.

You are embarrassing yourself.

APBS = Automated PARCEL and bundle sorter.

(Used to be called a Small Parcel and Bundle Sorter.) rated at under 25 lb packages.

And all that has nothing to do with anything I said. Talk about embarrassing yourself. You guys can keep dog paddling in this topic but you will never address the fact that the mail was moving fine before this prick and now is piling up after his decisions to scrap the sorting machines among other crap decisions he's made.

Explain this near instantaneous mail slow down why don't you?

 

[Luce]

Simple, a fault can be found in the operation of the machine. Something that anyone, regardless of party, could use to point out that invalidates the items that passed through it.

So a faulty diverter could open someone's mail, change their vote, and send it on?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

So a faulty diverter could open someone's mail, change their vote, and send it on?

<SARC>[I have it directly from Winston Smith (the Acting [by Presidential Decree] Director of The Federal Legal And Civil Knowledge Bureau which publishes The Current Response And Position Bulletin that **T*H*E** **T*R*U*T*H** is that those co-called "Democrats" are all practitioners of black magic (which goes along with being godless worshipers of satan as all wacko, loony, crazy, left-wing, liberal, socialist, pinko, commies are) and that all they have to do is to touch the outside of one of those incredibly insecure so-called "mail ballots" in order to change the votes inside so that the vote inside the so-called "security envelopes" gets changed to a vote for a so-called "Democrat" candidate rather then the patriotic, right-thinking, patriotic, hard working, patriotic, honest, patriotic, real, patriotic, true, patriotic, conservative, patriotic, Christian, patriotic, White, patriotic, American, patriotic, vote for Republicans<SARC>[.

 

[Godric1970]

And when any votes that pass though those machines are discarded, or in some other way affected because of the use of those machines. They only have themselves to blame for this.

"Take the conspiracy theories to the lower threads please."

heed your own advice sunshine

 

[Oborosen]

So a faulty diverter could open someone's mail, change their vote, and send it on?

No, chance of damage, possibility of loss. It rarely takes "actual" things happening, for a politician to cause that kind of a stink.

The fact that the machines were slated to be removed due to their age/condition. Could be a point of contention for more than just a few people, especially those who know how to frame the argument.

 

[Oborosen]

"Take the conspiracy theories to the lower threads please."

heed your own advice sunshine

Were it a conspiracy, I would have gone there myself. This is politics, there are always chances for such things to happen.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Did you know that, prior to the 1960s, there were areas of the United States of America where the USPS delivered mail TWICE per day?

I didn't! Imagine how much more efficient and well run the USPS is now, that it can deliver more mail faster, and with roughly the same staffing levels as 50 years ago. Progress is great!

 

[NWRatCon]

I didn't! Imagine how much more efficient and well run the USPS is now, that it can deliver more mail faster, and with roughly the same staffing levels as 50 years ago. Progress is great!

And, imagine how much more efficient it would be if Congress and politicians didn't interfere with its operations.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I didn't! Imagine how much more efficient and well run the USPS is now, that it can deliver more mail faster, and with roughly the same staffing levels as 50 years ago. Progress is great!

If I thought that there was anything other than sarcasm in your second and third sentences I would be appalled at your lack of contact with reality.

Fortunately I do NOT think that there was anything other than sarcasm in your second and third sentences.

 

[NWRatCon]

If I thought that there was anything other than sarcasm in your second and third sentences I would be appalled at your lack of contact with reality.

Fortunately I do NOT think that there was anything other than sarcasm in your second and third sentences.

Hmm. I see a developing conflict that may not actually be a conflict. I'm not sure. I think the point that the USPS is more efficient and delivers more mail with the same staff numbers is actually a valid point. The USPS is incredibly efficient, delivering 471 million pieces of mail daily, with a 99+% accuracy rate. That explains its 91% approval rating (50 points above Trump's).

 

[Metric Mouse]

And, imagine how much more efficient it would be if Congress and politicians didn't interfere with its operations.

It would be massively better run if supported better by Congress and politicians of all levels of government. I can't fathom why one of the few agencies in the United States' government that provides pure non political service to the country, and does so with relatively little cost (until recently) is not only not supported, but actively hampered. It's depressing.

 

[Metric Mouse]

If I thought that there was anything other than sarcasm in your second and third sentences I would be appalled at your lack of contact with reality.

Fortunately I do NOT think that there was anything other than sarcasm in your second and third sentences.

Does it not deliver many more pieces of mail with fewer staff than it did in the late 1960s?

Edit: 2019 versus 1967: 96% of the staff delivering 130.8% of the mail. Sounds like a pretty efficient operation. Unless the employees today are just harder workers.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Does it not deliver many more pieces of mail with fewer staff than it did in the late 1960s?

Edit: 2019 versus 1967: 96% of the staff delivering 130.8% of the mail. Sounds like a pretty efficient operation. Unless the employees today are just harder workers.

Find me one place in the US (other than government offices) that has twice a day delivery. The improvement in efficiency works out to 0.646% per year.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Find me one place in the US (other than government offices) that has twice a day delivery. The improvement in efficiency works out to 0.646% per year.

Why would they need 2x daily delivery when the USPS can now ship, sort and deliver more mail with fewer people with one daily delivery? If they can get all the daily mail finished in one daily drop off, why would they send an empty truck back a second time? Sounds like they can now sort fast enough that mail is ready for the morning truck and a second drop off isn't needed.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Why would they need 2x daily delivery when the USPS can now ship, sort and deliver more mail with fewer people with one daily delivery? If they can get all the daily mail finished in one daily drop off, why would they send an empty truck back a second time? Sounds like they can now sort fast enough that mail is ready for the morning truck and a second drop off isn't needed.

Since 1967 the "efficiency" of the USPS has "improved" from ~3 days for a delivery to ~20 days for a delivery.

Now if the USPS was still delivering a piece of first class mail in ~3 days, I would have absolutely no hesitation in agreeing the it was doing a MUCH better job today than it was in 1967. It isn't. Do I agree that the USPS is doing a better job today than it was in 1967? Do the math for yourself.

And, if Congress had not deliberately placed restrictions on the USPS that were guaranteed to ensure that it went bankrupt, I would agree that the US government actually had some interest in maintaining an efficient and effective postal service. It has. Do I agree that the US government has some interest in maintaining an efficient and effective postal service? Do the math for yourself.

If the USPS were to be privatized (as some "[American] conservatives" would like) do you think that the requirement for that privatized mail service to put up the entire cost of a 20 year old new hire's healthcare until they reached the age of 100 (38.37 [the average for males and females] years longer than they can actually expect to live) as soon as they were hired would remain in place? It is to laugh.