• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every persons position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Washington Post: Venezuela should be rich. Instead it’s becoming a failed state.

LowDown

Curmudgeon
Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Joined
Jul 19, 2012
Messages
14,185
Reaction score
8,767
Location
Houston
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/05/04/venezuela-is-becoming-a-failed-state/

They have the largest petroleum reserves in the world, but they can't even afford imported paper and ink to print money.

Venezuela, in other words, is well past the point of worrying that its economy might collapse. It already has. That's the only way to describe an economy that the International Monetary Fund thinks is going to shrink 8 percent and have 720 percent inflation this year. And that's not even the worst of it. No, that's the fact that the state itself is near collapse. Venezuela already has the world's second-highest murder rate, and now the Chavista regime seems to be threatening violence of its own if the opposition succeeds in recalling President Nicolás Maduro. It's a grim race between anarchy and civil war.

Apparently, the government can still afford to import bullets.

Years and years ago I told anyone who would listen that this was going to happen in Venezuela. It was crystal clear when one listened to Hugo Chavez's rhetoric.

The Washington Post thinks that the Venezuelan government is on the brink of collapse outright. The sooner the pain of that is over the better.
 

Carjosse

Sit Nomine Digna
DP Veteran
Joined
Jul 14, 2012
Messages
14,512
Reaction score
6,238
Location
Montreal, QC
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Liberal
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/05/04/venezuela-is-becoming-a-failed-state/

They have the largest petroleum reserves in the world, but they can't even afford imported paper and ink to print money.



Apparently, the government can still afford to import bullets.

Years and years ago I told anyone who would listen that this was going to happen in Venezuela. It was crystal clear when one listened to Hugo Chavez's rhetoric.

The Washington Post thinks that the Venezuelan government is on the brink of collapse outright. The sooner the pain of that is over the better.

Well apparently they are having a recall election for president so it looks like Maduro will fall and be replaced with Caprilles.
 

joG

DP Veteran
Joined
Jul 27, 2013
Messages
43,839
Reaction score
9,638
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Independent
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/05/04/venezuela-is-becoming-a-failed-state/

They have the largest petroleum reserves in the world, but they can't even afford imported paper and ink to print money.



Apparently, the government can still afford to import bullets.

Years and years ago I told anyone who would listen that this was going to happen in Venezuela. It was crystal clear when one listened to Hugo Chavez's rhetoric.

The Washington Post thinks that the Venezuelan government is on the brink of collapse outright. The sooner the pain of that is over the better.

Chavez was a warning to people that would vote for socialists like Sanders, which quite a few seem to have missed.
 

poweRob

USMC 1988-1996
DP Veteran
Joined
Sep 18, 2011
Messages
64,619
Reaction score
31,565
Location
New Mexico
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Progressive
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/05/04/venezuela-is-becoming-a-failed-state/

They have the largest petroleum reserves in the world, but they can't even afford imported paper and ink to print money.



Apparently, the government can still afford to import bullets.

Years and years ago I told anyone who would listen that this was going to happen in Venezuela. It was crystal clear when one listened to Hugo Chavez's rhetoric.

The Washington Post thinks that the Venezuelan government is on the brink of collapse outright. The sooner the pain of that is over the better.

Corruption at the top. Brazil is starting to feel the same pinch. Heard on the radio the other day 60% of their parliament is under investigation for corruption. Mostly taking kick-backs for contracts.
 

poweRob

USMC 1988-1996
DP Veteran
Joined
Sep 18, 2011
Messages
64,619
Reaction score
31,565
Location
New Mexico
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Progressive
Chavez was a warning to people that would vote for socialists like Sanders, which quite a few seem to have missed.

Yeah, no. The tie you are trying to make isn't even tenuous. It's flat out non-existent.
 

Grim17

Battle Ready
DP Veteran
Joined
Jul 29, 2009
Messages
30,922
Reaction score
14,649
Location
Southwestern U.S.
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Conservative
Yeah, no. The tie you are trying to make isn't even tenuous. It's flat out non-existent.

The point is, that turning toward socialism will take the country down a road that will ultimately lead to disaster. History has shown this time and time again.
 

poweRob

USMC 1988-1996
DP Veteran
Joined
Sep 18, 2011
Messages
64,619
Reaction score
31,565
Location
New Mexico
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Progressive
The point is, that turning toward socialism will take the country down a road that will ultimately lead to disaster. History has shown this time and time again.

Nah... the point is hyperbole's are really stupid.
 

Fenton

DP Veteran
Joined
Nov 17, 2012
Messages
29,771
Reaction score
12,231
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Conservative
Corruption at the top. Brazil is starting to feel the same pinch. Heard on the radio the other day 60% of their parliament is under investigation for corruption. Mostly taking kick-backs for contracts.

Socialism and corruption go hand and hand.
 

poweRob

USMC 1988-1996
DP Veteran
Joined
Sep 18, 2011
Messages
64,619
Reaction score
31,565
Location
New Mexico
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Progressive
It goes right back to the lack of understanding of human nature that supporters of socialism suffer from.

:lol:

Well you support the opposite which means you support hitler.

Like I said, non-thinking hyperbolic idiocy is just plain stupid.
 

LowDown

Curmudgeon
Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Joined
Jul 19, 2012
Messages
14,185
Reaction score
8,767
Location
Houston
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian
Yeah, no. The tie you are trying to make isn't even tenuous. It's flat out non-existent.

Sanders would run up the federal debt trying to give everyone free stuff from the get go. Same program as Chavez. The only thing we'd be missing is printing all the funny money to remain solvent. Oops, we're already doing that.

If the implacable hostility Bernie has for corporations doesn't result in their nationalization then I don't know why he even bothers to talk about it. And, of course, nationalized corporations will immediately be run into the ground a la Chavez. Same program, same results, Venezuela redux.
 

Fenton

DP Veteran
Joined
Nov 17, 2012
Messages
29,771
Reaction score
12,231
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Conservative
cool story bro!

Its the truth. Corruption and Socialism go hand and hand

Waste, mismanagment and Socialism go hand in hand too
 

shagg

Wading Through Bull****
DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 28, 2013
Messages
1,681
Reaction score
1,219
Location
Rhode Island
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
The point is, that turning toward socialism will take the country down a road that will ultimately lead to disaster. History has shown this time and time again.

The point is, that turning toward a dictatorship will take the country down a road that will ultimately lead to disaster. History has shown this time and time again.
 

shagg

Wading Through Bull****
DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 28, 2013
Messages
1,681
Reaction score
1,219
Location
Rhode Island
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
It goes right back to the lack of understanding of human nature that supporters of socialism suffer from.

It goes right back to the lack of understanding of human nature that supporters of dictators suffer from.
 

Carjosse

Sit Nomine Digna
DP Veteran
Joined
Jul 14, 2012
Messages
14,512
Reaction score
6,238
Location
Montreal, QC
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Liberal
The point is, that turning toward a dictatorship will take the country down a road that will ultimately lead to disaster. History has shown this time and time again.

Venezuela is not a dictatorship, it is a perfectly functioning democracy, in fact they are going to have a recall election and the opposition is expected to win especially after their landslide victory in the parliamentary elections.
 

Fenton

DP Veteran
Joined
Nov 17, 2012
Messages
29,771
Reaction score
12,231
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Conservative
It goes right back to the lack of understanding of human nature that supporters of dictators suffer from.

Good to know people like Sean Penn and Bernie Sanders supports dictatorships then.
 

poweRob

USMC 1988-1996
DP Veteran
Joined
Sep 18, 2011
Messages
64,619
Reaction score
31,565
Location
New Mexico
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Progressive
Yeah, no. The tie you are trying to make isn't even tenuous. It's flat out non-existent.

Sanders would run up the federal debt trying to give everyone free stuff from the get go. Same program as Chavez. The only thing we'd be missing is printing all the funny money to remain solvent. Oops, we're already doing that.

If the implacable hostility Bernie has for corporations doesn't result in their nationalization then I don't know why he even bothers to talk about it. And, of course, nationalized corporations will immediately be run into the ground a la Chavez. Same program, same results, Venezuela redux.

Except all of what you just said is made up bull****. Nice try though.
 

poweRob

USMC 1988-1996
DP Veteran
Joined
Sep 18, 2011
Messages
64,619
Reaction score
31,565
Location
New Mexico
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Progressive
Its the truth. Corruption and Socialism go hand and hand

Waste, mismanagment and Socialism go hand in hand too

Oh... Well since Fenton says it's true then okay... That changes everything.
 

LowDown

Curmudgeon
Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Joined
Jul 19, 2012
Messages
14,185
Reaction score
8,767
Location
Houston
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian
Except all of what you just said is made up bull****. Nice try though.

We'll put this mark down as the day you said Sanders wouldn't try to nationalize industry.

You have heard of quantitative easing, right?

The only really useful function a strong government has is to serve as a source of graft and corruption. Socialist leaders all know this, or they sure as Hell appear to know it.
 

NoLeftNoRight

DP Veteran
Joined
Apr 16, 2015
Messages
1,578
Reaction score
418
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Very Liberal
:lol:
Well you support the opposite which means you support hitler.


Like I said, non-thinking hyperbolic idiocy is just plain stupid.

Ummm...yeah you were saying ......
 

poweRob

USMC 1988-1996
DP Veteran
Joined
Sep 18, 2011
Messages
64,619
Reaction score
31,565
Location
New Mexico
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Progressive
We'll put this mark down as the day you said Sanders wouldn't try to nationalize industry.

You have heard of quantitative easing, right?

The only really useful function a strong government has is to serve as a source of graft and corruption. Socialist leaders all know this, or they sure as Hell appear to know it.

"We'll"

You an industry on your own now? Lol

We'll put this tripe of yours down as you wanting America to be weak.
 

shagg

Wading Through Bull****
DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 28, 2013
Messages
1,681
Reaction score
1,219
Location
Rhode Island
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
Venezuela is not a dictatorship, it is a perfectly functioning democracy, in fact they are going to have a recall election and the opposition is expected to win especially after their landslide victory in the parliamentary elections.

Its a dictatorship under a thin veil of democracy.

Corruption in Venezuela

The government in place following the Bolivarian Revolution has been frequently accused of corruption, abuse of the economy for personal gain, spreading "Bolivarian propaganda", buying the loyalty of the military, officials involved in drug trade, assisting terrorists, intimidation of the media, and human rights abuses of its citizens.[19][20][21][22][23][24][25][26][27][28] According to Foreign Policy, Venezuela's corruption helped Hugo Chávez gain power and worsened under the Bolivarian government.[29] Though the Bolivarian government states that they have implemented strict guidelines and laws to deter corruption, enforcement of such anti-corruption laws had been weak following the centralizing powers in the government, creating less accountability for corruption and making it prevalent throughout Venezuela.[1]

Certainly closer to a dictatorship than a democracy.

Venezuelan Democracy
Chavez was elected president of Venezuela in December 1998 on the strength of three main promises: convening a Constituent Assembly to write a new constitution and improve the state, fighting poverty and social exclusion, and eliminating corruption. Nine years later, it has become evident that the Constituent Assembly primarily was a vehicle to destroy all existing political institutions and replace them with a bureaucracy beholden to his wishes. Poverty and social exclusion remain as prominent as before, while the levels of government corruption are higher than ever.
Chavez managed to appear magnanimous in defeat, but he is not a democrat, and he will keep trying to become president for life in any way he can.

Venezuela: An Election That Reeks Of Fraud | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD
Fraud Allegations in Venezuelan Elections Explained | Analysis | teleSUR English
 
Top Bottom