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Washington Post "Trump won the night. Schumer and Pelosi lost."

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While Trump spoke calmly and rationally from behind the Resolute Desk, the Democratic leaders accused him of “pounding the table” and having a “temper tantrum.” While Trump told human stories, they complained about . They accused him of arguing that the women and children at the border were “a security threat” when he had just explained to the American people that they were victims, too. They charged him with using the “backdrop of the Oval Office to manufacture a crisis, stoke fear and divert attention from the turmoil in his administration.” They were partisan and petty, while Trump came across as reasonable and even compassionate.

To normal Americans watching in the heartland, and who are not steeped in Trump hatred, the president must have seemed like the adult in the room.

And, most important, Pelosi and Schumer failed to use the one word that millions of Americans were longing to hear — compromise. But Trump did. That is why the president won the night. Schumer and Pelosi appealed to their base, while Trump made an effective appeal to persuadable Americans.

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https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/opinions-trump-won-the-night-schumer-and-pelosi-lost/ar-BBRZLKt


Well at least some of our liberal friends are being rational. Trump specifically lays out the cost and dangers of rampant illegal immigration while also extending compassion to those who come into our country illegally. Democratic leadership responds by throwing out insults and cheap political rhetoric while not once addressing a single issue.


We'll see in the coming days and weeks how the American public responds.
 

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https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/opinions-trump-won-the-night-schumer-and-pelosi-lost/ar-BBRZLKt


Well at least some of our liberal friends are being rational. Trump specifically lays out the cost and dangers of rampant illegal immigration while also extending compassion to those who come into our country illegally. Democratic leadership responds by throwing out insults and cheap political rhetoric while not once addressing a single issue.


We'll see in the coming days and weeks how the American public responds.

This is the most telling part of your citation:

And, most important, Pelosi and Schumer failed to use the one word that millions of Americans were longing to hear — compromise. But Trump did. That is why the president won the night. Schumer and Pelosi appealed to their base, while Trump made an effective appeal to persuadable Americans.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/opinions-trump-won-the-night-schumer-and-pelosi-lost/ar-BBRZLKt

That has always been the problem with many in "The Resistance," their unwillingness to see any glimmer of positivity...so steeped are they in their negative mindset regarding the "Great Liar" Trump.
 

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Conservative author writes opinion piece saying Trump won the war of ****ty speeches.

Big news, if true!
 

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This is the most telling part of your citation:

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/opinions-trump-won-the-night-schumer-and-pelosi-lost/ar-BBRZLKt

That has always been the problem with many in "The Resistance," their unwillingness to see any glimmer of positivity...so steeped are they in their negative mindset regarding the "Great Liar" Trump.



Right now all the pressure seems to be on Trump over the shutdown. If this drags out I believe Democratic leadership's unwillingness to compromise will shift that pressure and blame.
 

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https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/opinions-trump-won-the-night-schumer-and-pelosi-lost/ar-BBRZLKt


Well at least some of our liberal friends are being rational. Trump specifically lays out the cost and dangers of rampant illegal immigration while also extending compassion to those who come into our country illegally. Democratic leadership responds by throwing out insults and cheap political rhetoric while not once addressing a single issue.


We'll see in the coming days and weeks how the American public responds.

That's an opinion piece by a Conservative commentator; not breaking news.
 

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Right now all the pressure seems to be on Trump over the shutdown. If this drags out I believe Democratic leadership's unwillingness to compromise will shift that pressure and blame.

He's desperately hanging on for three more days so he can go down in history as having the longest shutdown.
 

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The loser here is the american public. Neither side won and if they claim they did it's a phyrric victory. We're still saddled with endless ME War, endless tax payer handjobs to Israel, endless prohibition, etc.

Thanks, elected leaders.
 

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https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/opinions-trump-won-the-night-schumer-and-pelosi-lost/ar-BBRZLKt


Well at least some of our liberal friends are being rational. Trump specifically lays out the cost and dangers of rampant illegal immigration while also extending compassion to those who come into our country illegally. Democratic leadership responds by throwing out insults and cheap political rhetoric while not once addressing a single issue.


We'll see in the coming days and weeks how the American public responds.

The majority of the "cost and danger" from immigration (most of which arrives "legally" through ports of entry) is not from other crime and/or illegal drugs - it is from depressed (stagnant or declining) wages for employment which used to be able to support (well above the poverty level) not only the US worker but their dependents as well.

In the span of a few decades, Los Angeles area construction went from an industry that was two-thirds white, and largely unionized, to one that is overwhelmingly Latino, mostly nonunion and heavily reliant on immigrants, according to a Los Angeles Times review of federal data.

At the same time, the job got less lucrative. American construction workers today make $5 an hour less than they did in the early 1970s, after adjusting for inflation.

https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-fi-construction-trump/
 

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The majority of the "cost and danger" from immigration (most of which arrives "legally" through ports of entry) is not from other crime and/or illegal drugs - it is from depressed (stagnant or declining) wages for employment which used to be able to support (well above the poverty level) not only the US worker but their dependents as well.



https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-fi-construction-trump/


It does seem ironic that Democrats who clamor for higher wages for middle and lower class workers support the very thing that keeps those wages low.


There's simply no rational way to justify their actions.
 

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Conservative author writes opinion piece saying Trump won the war of ****ty speeches.

Big news, if true!

It's pretty obvious that the OP doesn't know who Marc Thiessen is. He was a speechwriter for W. Bush and Donald Rumsfeld. He's a conservative opinion columnist for Wapo.

I'm sure in an effort to be honest, the OP will share a comparable opinion piece from a left winger, and try to pretend that it was the opinion of the Washington Post.
 

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It does seem ironic that Democrats who clamor for higher wages for middle and lower class workers support the very thing that keeps those wages low.


There's simply no rational way to justify their actions.

Trump and many republicants are also pretending to be concerned about the plight of the average US worker yet we do not have E-Verify mandates or a federal income tax law which allows deduction of only legal labor costs. There are essentially two camps (not necessarily split by party) which favor no reduction in immigration (legal or not) - A) those that want to protect "job creators" from rising US labor costs and B) those that see the resulting demographic changes as being politically and/or economically advantageous.
 

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It's pretty obvious that the OP doesn't know who Marc Thiessen is. He was a speechwriter for W. Bush and Donald Rumsfeld. He's a conservative opinion columnist for Wapo.

I'm sure in an effort to be honest, the OP will share a comparable opinion piece from a left winger, and try to pretend that it was the opinion of the Washington Post.


You're free to offer a rebuttal if you want and I'm sure it will be a balanced piece.


You know, since you were such a staunch former conservative and you're Momma and Pappa were conservatives and you bled conservatism and whatever other horsesh** you want to blow out.
 

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You're free to offer a rebuttal if you want and I'm sure it will be a balanced piece.


You know, since you were such a staunch former conservative and you're Momma and Pappa were conservatives and you bled conservatism and whatever other horsesh** you want to blow out.

It's a rebuttal to you not knowing that Marc Thiessen is not a "liberal friend". Everyone else in this thread knew it.

Next time do your research before making dumb comments. And also, as someone smart pointed out to you, an opinion piece is not Breaking News.
 

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The speech was apparently so "meh" that trump is trying to change the conversation away from the wall now. He just threw red meat to his base by threatening to withhold FEMA funds to California for fires that don't exist. That won't work (remember: no fires right now), so he'll just keep throwing out grenades until he finds one that successfully change the conversation.
 

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Trump and many republicants are also pretending to be concerned about the plight of the average US worker yet we do not have E-Verify mandates or a federal income tax law which allows deduction of only legal labor costs. There are essentially two camps (not necessarily split by party) which favor no reduction in immigration (legal or not) - A) those that want to protect "job creators" from rising US labor costs and those that see the resulting demographic changes as being politically and/or economically advantageous.


I think that's why Trump won the Republican nomination rather than Jeb "illegal immigration is an act of love" Bush.


Americans have seen this game played for too long and are smarter than they're given credit for.
 

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Hopping upon the "call out dishonesty" bandwagon...
Well at least some of our liberal friends are being rational.
Marc Thiessen is Republican and regularly writes Republican supported opinions.

Is it that you don't bother to research things before you write them or just don't care?
 

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It's a rebuttal to you not knowing that Marc Thiessen is not a "liberal friend". Everyone else in this thread knew it.

Next time do your research before making dumb comments. And also, as someone smart pointed out to you, an opinion piece is not Breaking News.


Uh huh. Like you liberals and the media throw out Sheppard Smith pieces and act like that's Fox news's opinion.
 

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Uh huh. Like you liberals and the media throw out Sheppard Smith pieces and act like that's Fox news's opinion.

I have no idea who "Sheppard" Smith is. I know Shepard Smith, and never posted any threads about him. or said his opinion was "Fox News' opinion". I also don't know who the liberals are that do that, nor do I care.

Try not to fail so much. You already failed too much with this thread.
 

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Trump wins and the left denies.
Same **** differ day.
 

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Hopping upon the "call out dishonesty" bandwagon...
Marc Thiessen is Republican and regularly writes Republican supported opinions.

Is it that you don't bother to research things before you write them or just don't care?
Marc Thiessen is a Republican but you can't call him a big cheerleader of President Trump. If you did your research you would have found several of his opinion pieces have been quite critical of Trump.
 

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I think that's why Trump won the Republican nomination rather than Jeb "illegal immigration is an act of love" Bush.


Americans have seen this game played for too long and are smarter than they're given credit for.

Nope, Americans are still falling for token gestures of increased border security while allowing 12M (to 20M?) illegal immigrants to remain inside the country while working illegally and enjoying the benefits of ever increasing social programs.
 

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Marc Thiessen is a Republican but you can't call him a big cheerleader of President Trump. If you did your research you would have found several of his opinion pieces have been quite critical of Trump.

dobieg: Well at least some of our liberal friends are being rational.
Me: Marc Thiessen is Republican and regularly writes Republican supported opinions.



My point wasn't that he was a Trump supporter, only that he was not a liberal.


Perhaps you should do a better job reading before you choose to post really stupid things.
 
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