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Washington Dem socialist congressional candidate calls for breaking into empty homes/raising Min. Wage to $30

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Someone should really inform this chick on trespassing laws. As well as basic economics, where a $30 MW would shutter small businesses already suffering from the COVID shutdowns.

Not only is she a dunce on economics, but her break-in advocating brings to mind those Sovereign Citizen jerkoffs.
 
In her defense minimum wage should be $30 an hour in cities like New York, San Francisco, Chicago... states like South Carolina $7.25 is fine no one pays $7.25 in manufacturing even at McDonald's
 
I do think that the sheer number of empty homes (that stay empty year after year) is something that should be addressed through tax structures (perhaps an additional 1-2% tacked onto property taxes for each home that is unoccupied for 12 months that is cumulative if more than one home is owned in this state), I don't think breaking into them and squatting is the best way to approach the issue.
 

Someone should really inform this chick on trespassing laws. As well as basic economics, where a $30 MW would shutter small businesses already suffering from the COVID shutdowns.

Not only is she a dunce on economics, but her break-in advocating brings to mind those Sovereign Citizen jerkoffs.

She would be thrilled for a million people to break into private homes, ransack them, shit on the carpets, and destroy the property.

She would also advocate for no prosecution and no repayment for damages.

The entire point of socialism is to either confiscate or destroy what people have worked for and give to those who refuse to work.

These people are fools.
 

Someone should really inform this chick on trespassing laws. As well as basic economics, where a $30 MW would shutter small businesses already suffering from the COVID shutdowns.

Not only is she a dunce on economics, but her break-in advocating brings to mind those Sovereign Citizen jerkoffs.
There is a right way to do minimum wage and a wrong way. You are 100% correct it hurts small businesses. That's why any competent minimum wage proposal includes small business tax credits or some other form of assistance. I have no idea if her plan includes that, but a $30 federal minimum wage is ridiculous. As others have said, that could make sense in like LA but not nationally and certainly not in a sudden jump from a single digit minimum wage.

I have no idea what she actually intends with her rhetoric regarding housing. PR wise it seems like a very poor way of choosing to frame a solution to the housing crisis.
 
She would be thrilled for a million people to break into private homes, ransack them, shit on the carpets, and destroy the property.

She would also advocate for no prosecution and no repayment for damages.

The entire point of socialism is to either confiscate or destroy what people have worked for and give to those who refuse to work.

These people are fools.

Sheerly in the interest of playing devil's advocate:

I can understand sometimes the idea of socialism itself - it wants to treat society like one enormous family. One nigh-all powerful group at the top (parents) providing for the people for whom they're responsible (the children). Socialism works perfectly in actual families for that reason, and capitalism wouldn't work at all. I think that's one of the reasons smaller and more homogenous societies can adopt more socialistic practices and have them work okay.

But larger and more diverse societies need more impersonal forces to manage them, such as capitalism, because the distance and relationship between parent and child, so to speak, has widened too much.
 
There is a right way to do minimum wage and a wrong way.

Unfortunately, no, there isn't.

There is absolutely no benefit to workers, businesses, or consumers for making it illegal to work below some arbitrary number. The only beneficiaries of a price floor on wages are unions and firms which don't use low skilled workers. That's why the richest man in the world supports a $15 minimum wage.
 
She would be thrilled for a million people to break into private homes, ransack them, shit on the carpets, and destroy the property.

She would also advocate for no prosecution and no repayment for damages.
More Schism memos from the land of make believe. :rolleyes:
 
The good news is she's getting slammed in the twitter comments.
 

Someone should really inform this chick on trespassing laws. As well as basic economics, where a $30 MW would shutter small businesses already suffering from the COVID shutdowns.

Not only is she a dunce on economics, but her break-in advocating brings to mind those Sovereign Citizen jerkoffs.

If she isn't executing sheriffs, I'm not interested.
 
If it's on faux, I wonder if she also eats hamsters and steals bouncy balls from little kids on the street. Gotta keep that rage going.
 
Unfortunately, no, there isn't.

There is absolutely no benefit to workers, businesses, or consumers for making it illegal to work below some arbitrary number. The only beneficiaries of a price floor on wages are unions and firms which don't use low skilled workers. That's why the richest man in the world supports a $15 minimum wage.
Most minimum wages in Norway are around $15 an hour (they have different rates by industry and age) and they don't seem to have a problem with employment.

Again, you can just tell large employers like Walmart to eat shit and give small businesses tax credits or subsidies (like in Bernie's $15 plan). It only benefits large businesses if you specifically remove the very simple fix that has been known to work for decades.
 
Most minimum wages in Norway are around $15 an hour (they have different rates by industry and age) and they don't seem to have a problem with employment.

Again, you can just tell large employers like Walmart to eat shit and give small businesses tax credits or subsidies (like in Bernie's $15 plan). It only benefits large businesses if you specifically remove the very simple fix that has been known to work for decades.
Norway population is like the size of Vermont, full of white people.

Facts are like 40% of employees make $15 or less, do you think the $15 dollar an hour today employees will make $30 bucks an hour if the federal minimum wage is raised to $15 an hour? Of course not they will make like $16 an hour.

Another fact is like 80% of companies are owned by mom and pop like the local McDonald's do you think they can afford $15 bucks an hour?
 

Someone should really inform this chick on trespassing laws. As well as basic economics, where a $30 MW would shutter small businesses already suffering from the COVID shutdowns.

Not only is she a dunce on economics, but her break-in advocating brings to mind those Sovereign Citizen jerkoffs.
That $30.00 an hour minimum wage would be the savior of small business that can survive competition from large stories and such because that money gets spent by lower wage earners and would drive the economy in the same way that the COVID payments worked and the the Universal Basic Income works. You need to look at how money is spent in a interdependent economy and now just each individual person separately. The core idea of economics is how money changes hands in a society, which is not just one person but a group of interdependent people. All too often people do not see the bigger picture of the society in which we live




I support her ideas, except for breaking into unoccupied homes.
 
That $30.00 an hour minimum wage would be the savior of small business that can survive competition from large stories and such because that money gets spent by lower wage earners and would drive the economy in the same way that the COVID payments worked and the the Universal Basic Income works. You need to look at how money is spent in a interdependent economy and now just each individual person separately. The core idea of economics is how money changes hands in a society, which is not just one person but a group of interdependent people. All too often people do not see the bigger picture of the society in which we live




I support her ideas, except for breaking into unoccupied homes.
No it wouldn't what would save small companies is say no CEO can make a 100 times more then his lowest payed worker, he gets a raise the lowest payed worker gets a raise.

(This is a liberal idea I read about on the west coast)
 

Someone should really inform this chick on trespassing laws. As well as basic economics, where a $30 MW would shutter small businesses already suffering from the COVID shutdowns.

Not only is she a dunce on economics, but her break-in advocating brings to mind those Sovereign Citizen jerkoffs.

Adverse possession is a thing not only in WA but in a bunch of states.
That said, are you anxious that all Dems reflexively embrace this idea?
Sounds like it.
Fox sure wants you to think that, don't they?

Meanwhile, a Republican candidate for L.A. Mayor says that a key part of his plan to end homelessness in L.A. is to occupy empty and/or abandoned properties.
Isn't that interesting?

Rick Caruso is running AS a Democrat but he only switched two months ago after 35 years in the Republican Party bankrolling folks like Mitch.
 
Norway population is like the size of Vermont, full of white people.
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Another fact is like 80% of companies are owned by mom and pop like the local McDonald's do you think they can afford $15 bucks an hour?
I've addressed this multiple times in this thread. Any sensible minimum wage proposal includes a hefty small business tax credit or subsidy. We solved this problem like...decades ago.
 
No it wouldn't what would save small companies is say no CEO can make a 100 times more then his lowest payed worker, he gets a raise the lowest payed worker gets a raise.

(This is a liberal idea I read about on the west coast)
A 100x pay displarity is much too high. 20-50X is about right, inclusing stock transferes and bonuses. I'd like to see it as low as 15X from the lowest paid employee to the CEO/BoD. There is no job worth more than 2 million a year.
 

Someone should really inform this chick on trespassing laws. As well as basic economics, where a $30 MW would shutter small businesses already suffering from the COVID shutdowns.

Not only is she a dunce on economics, but her break-in advocating brings to mind those Sovereign Citizen jerkoffs.
Maybe she is thinking this will get us out of a recession. She is probably right. Out of a recession and deep into a depression.
 
I do think that the sheer number of empty homes (that stay empty year after year) is something that should be addressed through tax structures (perhaps an additional 1-2% tacked onto property taxes for each home that is unoccupied for 12 months that is cumulative if more than one home is owned in this state), I don't think breaking into them and squatting is the best way to approach the issue.
I despise orgnanized squatter groups.
Sovereign citizens are fond of that tactic and it cost us two thousand bucks to driver sov/cit squatters from OUR first home which we rented out for two years.
The sov/cit tenant moved in and never paid anything beyond first/last/sec dep and I kept wondering if I would wind up in a confrontation with them.
But finally, after six months, we got them out and our attorney said we were lucky, that it might have taken YEARS.
 
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I've addressed this multiple times in this thread. Any sensible minimum wage proposal includes a hefty small business tax credit or subsidy. We solved this problem like...decades ago.
No you didn't, again would a guy making $15 bucks today make $30 tomorrow if the federal minimum wage was double?


I always check the job boards states with high minimum wage pay their lowest workers around the states minimum wage. They don't get ahead

The states that pay a low minimum wage even workers at McDonald's get paid $4 or $5 bucks above it. They get ahead
 
Unfortunately, no, there isn't.
There is absolutely no benefit to workers, businesses, or consumers for making it illegal to work below some arbitrary number. The only beneficiaries of a price floor on wages are unions and firms which don't use low skilled workers. That's why the richest man in the world supports a $15 minimum wage.
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A 100x pay displarity is much too high. 20-50X is about right, inclusing stock transferes and bonuses. I'd like to see it as low as 15X from the lowest paid employee to the CEO/BoD. There is no job worth more than 2 million a year.
I was just using it as a example, from my point of view that lowest worker could save his money and start a new business
 
A 100x pay displarity is much too high. 20-50X is about right, inclusing stock transferes and bonuses. I'd like to see it as low as 15X from the lowest paid employee to the CEO/BoD. There is no job worth more than 2 million a year.
Sadly in the real world, 100x is low balling it. It is more often closer to 350x what workers make, or 35,000% more than their workers.

Edit; an interesting observation, but many worker cooperatives that vote on top executive pay often arrive at 20:1 pay rates to the lowest paid worker, which happened to align with your gut feeling about what is "about right".
 
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