Was Palestine ever really an Arab state where Israel now stands? (1 Viewer)

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Following the collapse of the Ottoman empire after WW1 this is what Palestine (a British mandate not a nation, state or province) looked like notice the majority of Palestine is present day Jordan:

Then look at what Palestine looked like in 1923 when the British created Jordan as the home for the Arabs allowing Jews to only live in the region West of the Jordan river:

so how is it that over 75% of Palestine was given to the Arabs yet they can get away with saying that the Jews took their land? Furthermore; why is that the Jordans did not take in their fellow Muslims who had remained West of the Jordan river when they were made refugees following the Israeli war of Independence in 1948 but instead the Arabs herded them all into refugee camps?

 

[taxedout]

Isreal makes a good "enemy", allowing the rest of the arab states to more easuily subvert their own people.

 

[HighSpeed]

The British really started all this mess.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

The British really started all this mess.

How so were they supposed to leave the area in anarchy after the fall of the Ottoman Empire?

 

[Kandahar]

Well, Palestine WAS a truly independent country...thousands of years ago. But it was never an Arab state. I think this question is irrelevant though...the merits or drawbacks of Palestinian independence have nothing to do with the historical status of the land.

 

[Pen]

Judea was renamed Palestine when the Jews were driven from the area. To the victor, go the spoils, then and now I guess.

Thanks for the maps, TOT. I had not seen them before.

 

[jamesrage]

Judea was renamed Palestine when the Jews were driven from the area. To the victor, go the spoils, then and now I guess.

Thanks for the maps, TOT. I had not seen them before.

Too bad alot of people do not understand that concept.

 

[taxedout]

The fact remains, Isreal is a presently a state.
This is not going to change. It is useless to discount it's legitimacy.
Jordan concern for the palistinians is that they remain a political tool.

 

[We the People]

After seeing the mindless aggression and unethical tactics of Israel.... I tend to believe that they are the culprits.. true judeofascists.. and it is THEY who should be wiped off the face of the earth. Hitler really was a genius! Ever read Mein Kampf? Israelis are so whiny... so small minded.. they LOVE to play the victim.. yet they take responsibility for nothing! It's disgusting! Oh and the neo-con quasi-christian adminstration agrees with anything they do .. not matter how much it contradicts the doctrine and/or actions of Jesus Christ...... so many dumb people...so little time...

 

[We the People]

Following the collapse of the Ottoman empire after WW1 this is what Palestine (a British mandate not a nation, state or province) looked like notice the majority of Palestine is present day Jordan:

Then look at what Palestine looked like in 1923 when the British created Jordan as the home for the Arabs allowing Jews to only live in the region West of the Jordan river:

so how is it that over 75% of Palestine was given to the Arabs yet they can get away with saying that the Jews took their land? Furthermore; why is that the Jordans did not take in their fellow Muslims who had remained West of the Jordan river when they were made refugees following the Israeli war of Independence in 1948 but instead the Arabs herded them all into refugee camps?

Such a lovely rendition of events in your own mind. SOURCE? lol!

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Such a lovely rendition of events in your own mind. SOURCE? lol!

Well they conceal classified information such as this in books which is the reason it's no wonder you've never heard it before.

 

[We the People]

Well they conceal classified information such as this in books which is the reason it's no wonder you've never heard it before.

So basically you are stating that you have NOTHING! Thanks! Take care!

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

So basically you are stating that you have NOTHING! Thanks! Take care!

Well there's the maps and then there's this:\

palestine - a former British mandate on the east coast of the Mediterranean; divided between Jordan and Israel in 1948
http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=palestine

Everything I said is 100% accurate but if you want to contradict my evidence feel free.
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[We the People]

Well there's the maps and then there's this:\




Everything I said is 100% accurate but if you want to contradict my evidence feel free.
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LOL let's see.. the site you posted is titled "christianactionforisrael".... gee no bias there!! LOL! THat' hardly a reputable source.. and one that would be laughed upon by anyone who can possibly think beyond your judeofascism and dreams of success in your intriciate religious "crusades". You religious people are all the same.. wether you be islamic or christian.. you're all stubborn, stupid, and lack intellect. Now did you have a real source or shall you continue with your mindless games?

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

LOL let's see.. the site you posted is titled "christianactionforisrael".... gee no bias there!! LOL! THat' hardly a reputable source.. and one that would be laughed upon by anyone who can possibly think beyond your judeofascism and dreams of success in your intriciate religious "crusades". You religious people are all the same.. wether you be islamic or christian.. you're all stubborn, stupid, and lack intellect. Now did you have a real source or shall you continue with your mindless games?

I edited it I didn't notice the source name the source I have now is from Princeton please provide evidence of an Islamic state named Palestine ever existing. Prove it. And by the way I'm agnostic.

 

[Kelzie]

LOL let's see.. the site you posted is titled "christianactionforisrael".... gee no bias there!! LOL! THat' hardly a reputable source.. and one that would be laughed upon by anyone who can possibly think beyond your judeofascism and dreams of success in your intriciate religious "crusades". You religious people are all the same.. wether you be islamic or christian.. you're all stubborn, stupid, and lack intellect. Now did you have a real source or shall you continue with your mindless games?

Moderator's Warning:

Oh you're starting off on such a good foot. Let me explain one of our rules here at DebatePolitics. Calling someone "stubborn, stupid, and lack[ing] intellect" is quite clearly flaming and against the rules. And let me head your next post off, if you argue this in public it's a ten point warning. Weigh your decision carefully.

 

[We the People]

Moderator's Warning:

Oh you're starting off on such a good foot. Let me explain one of our rules here at DebatePolitics. Calling someone "stubborn, stupid, and lack[ing] intellect" is quite clearly flaming and against the rules. And let me head your next post off, if you argue this in public it's a ten point warning. Weigh your decision carefully.

So what you are saying is that debate politics dot com does not hold up the virtue of freedom of speech.. and by using adjectived derived from the english language, none of which are expletives.. that I am "flaming"? ROFL. You'r friggin hilarious darlin'! Talk about "fascist".......

"be carefull folks".. the entire english language is not accepted here based upon the imputent diatribe of a very big headed (yet small minded) bimbo! (bimbo is also a simple form of expression dare your liberal and ultra-sensitive mind take offense)

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

The Mandate for Palestine[1] also known as the Mandate of Palestine or British Mandate of Palestine was a territory in the Middle East including the modern territories of Israel, Jordan, and the West Bank and Gaza Strip, formerly belonging to the Ottoman Empire, which the League of Nations entrusted to the United Kingdom to administer in the aftermath of World War I as a Mandate Territory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_of_Palestine

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[Trajan Octavian Titus]

So what you are saying is that debate politics dot com does not hold up the virtue of freedom of speech.. and by using adjectived derived from the english language, none of which are expletives.. that I am "flaming"? ROFL. You'r friggin hilarious darlin'! Talk about "fascist".......

Wow you're off to a bang up start soldier.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Wow you're off to a bang up start soldier.

I'll do you a favor and try to get the page turned before she notices.

 

[Kelzie]

Wow you're off to a bang up start soldier.

Moderator's Warning:

And unfortunately, a start is all he'll have. Everyone wave goodbye. :2wave: Alright, alright. A week off cause I'm feeling generous.

 

[Joby]

Was Palestine ever a islamic state? No, not really, but there were muslims living there pre-Israel and I imagine they had a state before britain and the ottomans (though not called palestine)

Anyway, the question is, I believe, irrelevant to the current conflict, but it is something to think about, and research, on the historical basis.

Oh, and I thought I was bad. I think the 'flaming' rule is great, it helps maintain good taste. It's unfortunate he can't argue without deliberately trying to be offensive. (though it is kinda funy hahaha)

 

[Napoleon's Nightingale]

Modern day Israel and the Palestinian territories were first inhabited by arabs and was part of the land of Canaan which can be seen here:

The Palestinian Bedouin also inhabited these territories. The earliest reccords we have of them date back to the 6th century BC which is 5,000 years before the Israelites conquered Canaan. The decendants of those Bedouin still reside in modern day Israel and the Palestinian territories.

 

[Kandahar]

The Canaanites weren't really Arab...like the Jews and Arabs, the Canaanites were Semitic. But they weren't the same as Arabs.

The Arabs never really left the Arabian peninsula until the seventh century.

 

[Napoleon's Nightingale]

The Canaanites weren't really Arab...like the Jews and Arabs, the Canaanites were Semitic. But they weren't the same as Arabs. The Arabs never really left the Arabian peninsula until the seventh century.

The first doccumented Arabs came from what is modern day Jordan which was part of the land of Canaan.