If I said I can't stand Carter, either, I'm sure you would be singing quite the different tune.
his diplomacy was " today l talked to god and l am declaring crusade against the muslim world "
It's not pointless. It shows the hypocrisy of both the Right and the so-called moderate Centre. Bush lies and lies and lies (over the course of years), costing 4000+ American troops and over a trillion in American treasure. Obama might have possibly... maybe... incorrectly conflated a terrorist attack with a Youtube video.
The same people who lied (about the invasion) are trying to get back into power.
That's relevant.
Yeah because that remotely reflects his foreign policy.
:roll:
If God tells you something, you have to do it. Surely you understand. What if God told you to do something, would you do it? or would you tell God to shut up?
You can't be seriously suggesting that we ignore things the current president does because of things a prior president did? That is incredibly immature and divisive and NOT helping anyone in any way. :roll:
It's not pointless. It shows the hypocrisy of both the Right and the so-called moderate Centre. Bush lies and lies and lies (over the course of years), costing 4000+ American troops and over a trillion in American treasure. Obama might have possibly... maybe... incorrectly conflated a terrorist attack with a Youtube video.
The same people who lied (about the invasion) are trying to get back into power.
That's relevant.
No, what we have to do is acknowledge that Bush and Obama are not treated equally. We have to acknowledge that what Bush did was a million times worse, and people are like, "Well, Bush and Obama are about the same...".
You want to nail Obama on something? Fine. Just don't pretend that you are a moderate when you give Bush/Cheney a pass because they're out of office.
What did Pres. Bush lie about?
If anything, I would say he was far and away the most straight forward POTUS in my lifetime.
Who is giving anyone a pass? You seem to have a hard on for GWB. :2razz:
The economic collapse was culmination of the failed bush policies. Giving tax cuts to the rich, bushcare, no child left behind, giving subprime loans to minimum wage workers, lack of regulation, two failed wars, and the list goes on. Undeniably the worst president in american history. Not even close.
No I wouldn't.
Bush was attacked and maligned for 8 years by a Democrat party and a media who was more loyal to their narratives than the truth.
Not at all. I am going by the tone of your post. You essentially said, 'Well, everyone was mad about 9/11, so the invasion is whatever... all water under a bridge.'
Obama is not judged by the same standards as Bush. If he were, then we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Are you saying GWB didn't get dragged through the mud too? He most certainly did, as do ALL presidents. Stop whining.
Lol what? The Bush administration appointed John Bolton as ambassador to the UN. That ALONE makes the W. White House dreadful-with-a-capital-D at diplomacy.
his diplomacy was " today l talked to god and l am declaring crusade against the muslim world "
So Obama and Bush are about equal then?
So Obama and Bush are about equal then?
Or,
"Let us have some diplomacy. Serbia has a month to recognize Dardania. This is an ultimatum."
The MSM love of Obama was slightly more intense than their hatred of W
Answer my question first.You can't answer a question with a question. It doesn't work that way, and you are not "controlling" this conversation.
Good point.Very true. I don't ever remember people slobbering all over GWB.
Sure, Bush got dragged through the mud.
Now you can answer my question, Miss Moderate.
I think that, IF it could proven beyond a doubt that Bush actually lied about the wars (which there is no SOLID evidence of that), then THAT might make him actually worse than Obama.
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