Was Blake Walking Away From Police or Not?

[Luckyone]

I just ended having a debate with a Trump supporter in which I stated that Blake was walking away from police and the other debater was saying he was not.

In spite of showing the video, he maintains his stance.

As such, I am putting this poll up to see how many agree that he was walking away from the policeman and how many think he was not and that he was fighting the policeman.

Thanks for your vote.

 

[Lutherf]

The police union in Kenosha put out a statement yesterday - Police Union In Kenosha, Wis., Provides Account Of Jacob Blake Shooting : Live Updates: Protests For Racial Justice : NPR

In part, the union says the following -

That account says Blake was armed with a knife and "forcefully fought" with the officers who tried to arrest him, putting one of them in a headlock. The statement from the Kenosha Professional Police Association also says officers twice shot Tasers at Blake but these failed to subdue him.

Video evidence indicates that Blake likely did have a karambit type knife in his had as he walked around the front of the vehicle and even in the video you posted here we can see the cops back off and draw weapons on Blake while he's on the passenger side of the car. That action indicates they perceived a threat and a knife would certainly be such a threat. Furthermore, with the kids in the car the cops really couldn't let Blake just take off. They had been called to the scene over a domestic dispute, Blake had fought with them and was, apparently, armed. That fact set would create a reasonable likelihood that if he took off in the car the kids would be in danger. That really couldn't be allowed to happen.

 

[Simpletruther]

I just ended having a debate with a Trump supporter in which I stated that Blake was walking away from police and the other debater was saying he was not.

In spite of showing the video, he maintains his stance.

As such, I am putting this poll up to see how many agree that he was walking away from the policeman and how many think he was not and that he was fighting the policeman.

Thanks for your vote.

You are being disingenuous.

I was countering your words here:

The man was walking away from the policeman and was shot in the back.

Which clearly give the impression he was shot while walking away, which he obviously was not walking away when shot.

 

[mike2810]

OP,
What is the point of the poll?

 

[Luckyone]

The police union in Kenosha put out a statement yesterday - Police Union In Kenosha, Wis., Provides Account Of Jacob Blake Shooting : Live Updates: Protests For Racial Justice : NPR

In part, the union says the following -


Video evidence indicates that Blake likely did have a karambit type knife in his had as he walked around the front of the vehicle and even in the video you posted here we can see the cops back off and draw weapons on Blake while he's on the passenger side of the car. That action indicates they perceived a threat and a knife would certainly be such a threat. Furthermore, with the kids in the car the cops really couldn't let Blake just take off. They had been called to the scene over a domestic dispute, Blake had fought with them and was, apparently, armed. That fact set would create a reasonable likelihood that if he took off in the car the kids would be in danger. That really couldn't be allowed to happen.

Thanks for the additional explanation but the OP question is whether Blake was walking away from police or not.

 

[apdst]

He was going for a weapon.

 

[Lutherf]

He was going for a weapon.

I think we're going to find, conclusively, that he already had the weapon and decided he could or should just drive off.

 

[jotathought]

There's going to be a lot of crow eating on this one. Mainstream and social media platforms irrationally rushed to judgement over a 30-second video clip, fueled the fire and sparked a city-wide riot resulting in violence, property destruction and death ... and they were wrong!

Police were informed, prior to arriving, that Jacob Blake had an outstanding warrant for sexual assault and domestic abuse. He was immediately aggressive with law enforcement, who attempted to arrest them, broke free and walked to the driver side door to do something in/with his vehicle. Police were dispatched because Jacob Blake was in violation of his restraining order after his girlfriend was sexual assaulted and had her vehicle keys stolen.

When can we begin holding media and social media outlets accountable for continuing to spread misinformation resulting in illicit activities?

 

[Lutherf]

Thanks for the additional explanation but the OP question is whether Blake was walking away from police or not.

In that case I'm going to assume that there is a point to your question. If so, what is it?

 

[Luckyone]

In that case I'm going to assume that there is a point to your question. If so, what is it?

The point of the OP was to resolve a dispute with another poster. He was saying that Blake was not walking away and posed a threat to the policeman. I was saying, he was walking away and did not pose a threat to the policeman.

This was not about anything else.

 

[apdst]

I think we're going to find, conclusively, that he already had the weapon and decided he could or should just drive off.

That's why the BLM bull**** is so dangerous: it emboldens this kind of behaior.

 

[Lutherf]

That's why the BLM bull**** is so dangerous: it emboldens this kind of behaior.

There seems to be a more and more prevalent theme to these incidents and it's that the behavior of the suspect is NEVER given consideration. The entire focus is ALWAYS on what the cops do and rarely, if ever, on what the suspect did that inspired the response. Heck, we see in this very thread that the OP is focused on whether the suspect was walking away or not. That's the only aspect he wants to discuss. He has no desire to discuss WHY the suspect is walking away, whether walking away was appropriate behavior or what the effect of walking away was on the cop's behavior. In another thread we see a discussion of something Chris Rock said and, again, the comparison is just plain wrong and utterly ignores everything a suspect does before they are shot or arrested or taken down or whatever.

 

[apdst]

There seems to be a more and more prevalent theme to these incidents and it's that the behavior of the suspect is NEVER given consideration. The entire focus is ALWAYS on what the cops do and rarely, if ever, on what the suspect did that inspired the response. Heck, we see in this very thread that the OP is focused on whether the suspect was walking away or not. That's the only aspect he wants to discuss. He has no desire to discuss WHY the suspect is walking away, whether walking away was appropriate behavior or what the effect of walking away was on the cop's behavior. In another thread we see a discussion of something Chris Rock said and, again, the comparison is just plain wrong and utterly ignores everything a suspect does before they are shot or arrested or taken down or whatever.

The Leftists perceive black folks to be nothing more than little animal children who require the white Liberals to care for them and defend them. It's the racism of low expectations.

 

[Bullseye]

I just ended having a debate with a Trump supporter in which I stated that Blake was walking away from police and the other debater was saying he was not.

In spite of showing the video, he maintains his stance.

As such, I am putting this poll up to see how many agree that he was walking away from the policeman and how many think he was not and that he was fighting the policeman.

Thanks for your vote.

He was fleeing apprehension on an outstanding warrant, for starters. Here's the rest of the story

The Kenosha Police were called to a residence not to deal with a domestic dispute in which Jacob Blake was a peacemaker, but rather to arrest Blake. They were called by his girlfriend and mother of 3 of his children. The Wisconsin Department of Justice, which is investigating the shooting, writes,
“Kenosha Police Department officers were dispatched to a residence in the 2800 block of 40th Street after a female caller reported that her boyfriend was present and was not supposed to be on the premises.”

Here's the story according to the police officer association.

The officers were dispatched to the location due to a complaint that Mr. Blake was attempting to steal the caller’s keys/vehicle.
Officers were aware of Mr. Blake’s open warrant for felony sexual assault (3rd degree) before they arrived on scene.
Mr. Blake was not breaking up a fight between two females when officers arrived on scene.
The silver SUV seen in the widely circulated video was not Mr. Blake’s vehicle.
Mr. Blake was not unarmed. He was armed with a knife. The officers did not see the knife initially. The officers first saw him holding the knife while they were on the passenger side of the vehicle. The “main” video circulating on the internet shows Mr. Blake with the knife in his left hand when he rounds the front of the car. The officers issued repeated commands for Mr. Blake to drop the knife. He did not comply.
The officers initially tried to speak with Mr. Blake, but he was uncooperative.
The officers then began issuing verbal commands to Mr. Blake, but he was non-complaint.
The officers next went “hands-on” with Mr. Blake, so as to gain compliance and control.
Mr. Blake actively resisted the officers’ attempt to gain compliance.
The officers then disengaged and drew their tasers, issuing commands to Mr. Blake that he would be tased if he did not comply.
Based on his non-compliance, one officer tased Mr. Blake. The taser did not incapacitate Mr. Blake.
The officers once more went “hands-on” with Mr. Blake; again, trying to gain control of the escalating situation.
Mr. Blake forcefully fought with the officers, including putting one of the officers in a headlock.
A second taser (from a different officer than had deployed the initial taser) was then deployed on Mr. Blake. It did not appear to have any impact on him.
Based on the inability to gain compliance and control after using verbal, physical and less-lethal means, the officers drew their firearms.
Mr. Blake continued to ignore the officers’ commands, even with the threat of lethal force now present.

 

[vesper]

I think we're going to find, conclusively, that he already had the weapon and decided he could or should just drive off.

They just reported that in the videos they have found posted on social media (and they have found them all)that he was definitely carrying something in his hand when approaching the driver side of the car. Also there is video of police ordering Blake to drop the knife long before he reached the driver side car door and opened it.

It does not help Blake that the police were called by a woman who gave his name and simple protocal is to search that name that showed he had a history of domestic violence and there was an open warrant out for his arrest. He also has a record of brandishing a gun in a bar threatening to shoot people and the police were called then and he resisted arrest at that time also and the K9 unit was called to help capture him. There's a lot more to the story and it will come out.

 

[justabubba]

They just reported that in the videos they have found posted on social media (and they have found them all)that he was definitely carrying something in his hand when approaching the driver side of the car. Also there is video of police ordering Blake to drop the knife long before he reached the driver side car door and opened it.

It does not help Blake that the police were called by a woman who gave his name and simple protocal is to search that name that showed he had a history of domestic violence and there was an open warrant out for his arrest. He also has a record of brandishing a gun in a bar threatening to shoot people and the police were called then and he resisted arrest at that time also and the K9 unit was called to help capture him. There's a lot more to the story and it will come out.

no way! benjamin crump, the attorney for this kind and gentle, law-abiding soul, assured us there were absolutely no other incidents with law enforcement. no way would that lawyer - whose specialty is defending black perps whose crimes attain substantial media attention - lie about his client

anyway, here's some information about the warrant AND restraining order against jacob blake:

The cops involved in the shooting of Jacob Blake ... attempting to arrest him for violating a restraining order stemming from an alleged sexual assault ...
Blake, 29, was forbidden from going to the Kenosha home of his alleged victim from the May 3 incident, and police were dispatched Sunday following a 911 call saying he was there.

The responding officers were aware he had an open warrant for felony sexual assault, according to dispatch records ...

That police union statement also claimed that Blake was armed with a knife at the time of the shooting — and had put one cop in a headlock and shrugged off two Taser attempts while resisting arrest. ...

This is why Jacob Blake had a warrant out for his arrest

here is background on the basis for the warrant (from the same cite):

... The victim, who is only identified by her initials in the paperwork, told police she was asleep in bed with one of her children when Blake came into the room around 6 a.m. and allegedly said “I want my sh-t,” the record states.

She told cops Blake then used his finger to sexually assault her, sniffed it and said, “Smells like you’ve been with other men,” the criminal complaint alleges. ...

She told police she “was upset but collected herself” and then allegedly ran out the front door after Blake, the complaint says. She then realized her car was missing, checked her purse and saw the keys were missing and then “immediately called 911,” the complaint alleges.

The alleged victim told cops she has known him for eight years and claims that he physically assaults her “around twice a year when he drinks heavily.”

Police filed charges against him for felony sexual assault, trespassing and domestic abuse in July when a warrant was issued for his arrest. ...

wonder what blake's cited 'fiance' thinks about his sexual assaults upon another woman during their engagement

 

[Citizen]

The police union in Kenosha put out a statement yesterday - Police Union In Kenosha, Wis., Provides Account Of Jacob Blake Shooting : Live Updates: Protests For Racial Justice : NPR

In part, the union says the following -


Video evidence indicates that Blake likely did have a karambit type knife in his had as he walked around the front of the vehicle and even in the video you posted here we can see the cops back off and draw weapons on Blake while he's on the passenger side of the car. That action indicates they perceived a threat and a knife would certainly be such a threat. Furthermore, with the kids in the car the cops really couldn't let Blake just take off. They had been called to the scene over a domestic dispute, Blake had fought with them and was, apparently, armed. That fact set would create a reasonable likelihood that if he took off in the car the kids would be in danger. That really couldn't be allowed to happen.

Let the independent investigation concluded their findings. There is no evidence that indicates that any one was in danger

 

[vesper]

no way! benjamin crump, the attorney for this kind and gentle, law-abiding soul, assured us there were absolutely no other incidents with law enforcement. now way would that lawyer - whose specialty is defending black perps whose crimes attain substantial media attention - lie about his client

anyway, here's some information about the warrant AND restraining order against jacob blake:

This is why Jacob Blake had a warrant out for his arrest

here is background on the basis for the warrant (from the same cite):


wonder what blake's cited 'fiance' thinks about his sexual assaults upon another woman during their engagement

Here's a link to Blake's criminal complaint that resulted in the open warrant against Blake for sexual assault. It is four pages long and the warrant was issued in May of this year. The complaint was filed by the same woman who called the police on him last weekend that resulted in in the police responding to the call. This woman is the mother of some of his kids. He had no business being at that residence. That story about him being there to breakup a fight between 2 women is baloney.

Jacob-Blake-Criminal-Complaint.pdf

 

[Lutherf]

Let the independent investigation concluded their findings. There is no evidence that indicates that any one was in danger

There are definite INDICATIONS of danger, not the least of which is the initial 911 call.

 

[justabubba]

Let the independent investigation concluded their findings. There is no evidence that indicates that any one was in danger

of course there is no danger when the police are called in on a domestic sexual abuse emergency and the person who is restrained from being at that location, is present, is wanted on an outstanding warrant for sexual assault, refused to cooperate with the police, was unfazed by two attempted police tasings, held a police officer in a headlock in an attempt to flee custody, and refused repeated police commands to put down the knife in his possession

other than that, no danger whatsoever

as a black man, he should not be expected to obey the commands of the police authorities, is the gist of many of the comments within these forums