War-Weary Russians Threaten Trouble for Vladimir Putin Amid Ukraine Attack (1 Viewer)

[Rogue Valley]

War-Weary Russians Threaten Trouble for Vladimir Putin Amid Ukraine Attack

3.4.22
Russian President Vladimir Putin might not have predicted the resistance he has seen since he ordered an invasion of Ukraine. But it’s not just the Ukrainian people who are putting up a surprising fight. Protests have sprung in Moscow and other Russian cities since the attack began in the early morning hours last Thursday. As of Thursday, more than 8,000 people had been detained at anti-war protests across the country, according to tracking by OVD-Info. And several billionaire oligarchs – arguably the most powerful group of people in Russia other than Putin himself – have spoken out against the attack. The strong pushback, analysis from experts and separate polling data show that the 69-year-old authoritarian leader who has led Russia since 1999 could be meeting his match – not just with the Ukrainians his troops are attacking but his own people who are weary from living with war and the constant fear of war. “Will the Russian people support Putin? Clearly many do not. But will Putin be able to stifle dissent?" John B. Bellinger III, an adjunct senior fellow for international and national security law at the Council on Foreign Relations, says. “The answer may depend on how successful Putin is in persuading the Russian people that Russia is really the victim and that the U.S. and the ‘West’ have started the fight.”

Resentment over the deaths – and the misinformation – has been building within Russia. Russian troops have been sent to eastern Ukraine, Crimea, Syria, Libya and Belarus among other conflict zones in recent years, deployments that engendered frustration and bitterness in many Russians who saw them as costly and unnecessary. The specifics of Russian losses are a closely guarded secret. While officially a few hundred troops were killed in conflict in Ukraine and in Syria, Putin is believed to have actively taken steps to conceal the extent of Russia’s involvement as well as the damage suffered and the numbers of war casualties. The Kremlin under Putin has cracked down on protests, outlawing even the most benign forms of political demonstration, yet it continues to face popular resistance that at times has seemed on the verge of combusting. “I think it's safe to say if there's a long, drawn-out, costly – both in terms of blood and treasure – war that he starts in Ukraine, he will feel the heat economically and politically, even in an authoritarian country like Russia,” Bowman says.

The Putin regime controls the media message in Russia. What this means is that older Russians, who usually get their news from Kremlin owned/friendly television stations, believe Putin and the propaganda that the state broadcasts all day. The younger generations, who get their news from the internet and enctypted apps like Telegram, know what the real deal is and oppose Putin and his invasion in Ukraine.

Russian forces who are now in control of the southern-central Ukrainian city of Kherson (285,000) have captured the broadcast center and shut down all independent media. Only Russia-friendly radio and television stations are now allowed.

 

[Sweden]

War-Weary Russians Threaten Trouble for Vladimir Putin Amid Ukraine Attack

The Putin regime controls the media message in Russia. What this means is that older Russians, who usually get their news from Kremlin owned/friendly television stations, believe Putin and the propaganda that the state broadcasts all day. The younger generations, who get their news from the internet and enctypted apps like Telegram, know what the real deal is and oppose Putin and his invasion in Ukraine.

Russian forces who are now in control of the southern-central Ukrainian city of Kherson (285,000) have captured the broadcast center and shut down all independent media. Only Russia-friendly radio and television stations are now allowed.

Wishful thinking I fear. As soon as Putin thinks his thuggish regime is in any danger from Russian civilians he will declare martial law and ruthlessly suppress any hint of protest.

 

[Juin]

War-Weary Russians Threaten Trouble for

Russian forces who are now in control of the southern-central Ukrainian city of Kherson (285,000) have captured the broadcast center and shut down all independent media. Only Russia-friendly radio and television stations are now allowed.

Zaporizhzhia, where that nuke plan is, is north of Kherson. And awefully close to Dniepropetrosk. The Russian Federation Army appears to be moving up the spine of Ukraine from the south. If that continues then the Ukrainian guns at present pointing east may have to swivel and start pointing west!

 

[Sweden]

Zaporizhzhia, where that nuke plan is, is north of Kherson. And awefully close to Dniepropetrosk. The Russian Federation Army appears to be moving up the spine of Ukraine from the south. If that continues then the Ukrainian guns at present pointing east may have to swivel and start pointing west!

Alas, the gallant Ukrainians have few guns to point in any direction.

 

[Juin]

Alas, the gallant Ukrainians have few guns to point in any direction.

That is correct. It appears the Ukrainian plan is to make each point a fortress. So far the fortresses are holding. Kharkiv, Kiev, Mariupol are holding. But fortress Kherson ist gefalen.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Wishful thinking I fear. As soon as Putin thinks his thuggish regime is in any danger from Russian civilians he will declare martial law and ruthlessly suppress any hint of protest.

Putin may announce Martial Law in his speech today.

 

[Jkca1]

Putin may announce Martial Law in his speech today.

Am I the only person surprised he hasn't already done that? God forbid pictures get out of the Russian people not aligned with that fool.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Am I the only person surprised he hasn't already done that? God forbid pictures get out of the Russian people not aligned with that fool.

Martial Law in Russia is another decision that does not reflect well on Col. Putin.

 

[maxparrish]

War-Weary Russians Threaten Trouble for Vladimir Putin Amid Ukraine Attack

The Putin regime controls the media message in Russia. What this means is that older Russians, who usually get their news from Kremlin owned/friendly television stations, believe Putin and the propaganda that the state broadcasts all day. The younger generations, who get their news from the internet and enctypted apps like Telegram, know what the real deal is and oppose Putin and his invasion in Ukraine.

Russian forces who are now in control of the southern-central Ukrainian city of Kherson (285,000) have captured the broadcast center and shut down all independent media. Only Russia-friendly radio and television stations are now allowed.

Sadly, it seems that the older generation of Russia are knee jerk "patriots" (aka nationalists):

MSN

Putin loyalists, many less-educated Russians or older people raised on Soviet propaganda.

In Kamenka village in Russia’s southern Rostov region, close to the Ukraine border, Alexei Safonov, 47, was horrified at the news that Russia began its attack last week. Then he got to work as chief engineer at an ice-skating rink and was sickened to find his colleagues celebrating.

“The feeling was it’s high time we showed what we could do to those ‘Nazis,’ so it’s high time we started this operation,” he said, referring to Putin’s claim that he would “denazify” Ukraine and its leadership. “That made me feel really dejected and depressed. People around me are enthusiastic about it. When I look at them, I don’t see the light at the end of the tunnel.”

It amazes me that people can be this stupid. It doesn't even occur to them that Putin, a day before the invasion, just comes up with a rationale about nazi's, nuclear weapons, etc.? NONE notice this has never been even claimed until the day of an invasion. Nor do they notice that Putin's hasn't given a lick of evidence?

Nope, Putin just sits on the toilet taking a crap, thinks up some fake claims, wipes his ass and goes on the air and says it and every troglodyte in Russia swallows it, parrots it, celebrates it. How bad is it? I saw a story about a Ukrainian woman who has relatives living in Russia. She talks to them on the phone, telling them about the horror her own city is being subjected to. She says they don't believe her because the state media has told them she is wrong...like being a witness isn't enough to sway them.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Russians have been fed state propaganda for so long they just tend to believe whatever garbage they hear on state radio and television channels.

Younger Russians are somewhat more aware, getting their information from [limited] internet and encrypted messaging apps such as Telegram.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Wishful thinking I fear. As soon as Putin thinks his thuggish regime is in any danger from Russian civilians he will declare martial law and ruthlessly suppress any hint of protest.

That was tried in 1991, and was ignored. Once people collectively decide that they have nothing left to lose, threats tend to become much less effective.