War on Terror is bogus

[26 X World Champs]

You're worried about worldwide opinion about the US and our troops? Then how about you write a letter to your local paper and ask them to stop printing allegations of abuse that are completely unverified, in light of the fact that we KNOW that al-Quaida trains their operatives to claim torture as soon as they're captured, in an attempt to do exactly what it's doing.

If the media would reserve itself to reporting the truth and not false claims, there wouldn't be such a hatred of the military.

Are you suggesting that our newspapers should only print allegations against someone or something after they've been convicted? I believe that would really hurt our society, don't you think?

 

[RightinNYC]

Are you suggesting that our newspapers should only print allegations against someone or something after they've been convicted? I believe that would really hurt our society, don't you think?

My mistake, I didn't mean to imply that.

What I meant to say was that the habit of the papers of making every single allegation that comes out of Guantanamo front page news for days on end, regardless of whether or not it is supported by any facts, is detrimental to our image.

I don't recall seeing "BROOKLYN WOMAN CLAIMS HUSBAND ABUSED HER" splashed across the Times front page days on end whenever that happens, which is a) more often, and b) more credible than the events at Guantanamo.

 

[akyron]

So easily dismissing these allegations as lies could be quite dangerous don't you think?

It works both ways as 17 people can no longer attest to.

 

[akyron]

Captives told to claim torture (Washington Times) (5/31) - An al Qaeda handbook preaches to operatives to level charges of torture once captured, a training regime that administration officials say explains some of the charges of abuse at the Guantanamo Bay prison camp.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050531-121655-7932r.htm

This is completely unsurprising and goes hand in hand with the terrorist agenda. Thank you for bringing it up.

-"It bears emphasis that the vast majority of detainees held by the U.S. in the global war on terror have been treated humanely and that the overwhelming majority of U.S. personnel have served honorably," Adm. Church wrote.

Whats funny is of the 3 substantiated "minor" abuse cases out of 24,000 interrogations, 2 were two female guards' making sexually suggestive gestures to detainees.

Oh the pain! The agony!

 

[GPS_Flex]

but tell me something... how many terrorists have we killed by bombing civilian targets in Iraq?

There’s no such thing as a civilian target in any branch of the USA military. The USA doesn’t target civilians. Terrorists do.

How many civilians have the terrorists killed by bombing civilian targets?

 

[Gandhi>Bush]

How many civilians have we killed by bombing terrorist targets?

 

[GPS_Flex]

Far fewer, in my estimation, than the terrorists have killed.

Why do you take the side of the terrorist?

 

[Gandhi>Bush]

Did I say I took the side of terrorists? If I did, it was a typo I assure you.

 

[RightinNYC]

Far fewer, in my estimation, than the terrorists have killed.

Why do you take the side of the terrorist?

To say he's taking the side of the terrorists is a bit of a stretch...

 

[akyron]

To say he's taking the side of the terrorists is a bit of a stretch...

I agree. Issues are rarely so black and white.

 

[Pacridge]

Far fewer, in my estimation, than the terrorists have killed.

Why do you take the side of the terrorist?

So as long as we kill a lesser number of innocent civilians we're still in the right?

And when and where did GB take the side of the terrorist?

 

[Gandhi>Bush]

So as long as we kill a lesser number of innocent civilians we're still in the right?

I would just like to say, Pacridge, that I find the above quote to be quite awesome.

 

[alienken]

There’s no such thing as a civilian target in any branch of the USA military. The USA doesn’t target civilians. Terrorists do.

How many civilians have the terrorists killed by bombing civilian targets?

The terrorist are mixed in civilian areas making them very hard to get to. This is my theory on the strategy- Let the terrorist build up a strong hold in a certain area to get them all in one place then go in and destroy them. It is impossible to keep everyone safe from the one suicide bomber, but put them in a group and our military can easily take them. This is why we have to always be aggressive and take the fight to them.

 

[teacher]

I agree. Issues are rarely so black and white.

All is black and white.


Free the woman.

 

[slim]

Not everything is black and white. Macbeth is an example. The godfather is another. Nothing is simple.

 

[Gandhi>Bush]

All is black and white.


Free the woman.

So you really think that because I don't support the war, I support terrorism?

Because I don't support the war I support the oppression of women?

May I be the first to assure you that you are wrong.

 

[Gandhi>Bush]

Let us not forget:

Anakin Skywalker: If you're not with me... then you're my enemy!

Obi-Wan: Only a Sith deals in absolutes. I will do what I must.

teacher is a SITH!

 

[GPS_Flex]

Did I say I took the side of terrorists? If I did, it was a typo I assure you.

You don’t have to say you’ve taken the side of the terrorists to aid them.

To say he's taking the side of the terrorists is a bit of a stretch...

Not really.

So as long as we kill a lesser number of innocent civilians we're still in the right?

You’re dealing in absolutes. I believe we Americans are taking every reasonable measure to prevent the loss of civilian lives. We aren’t targeting civilians; we’re trying to help them.

The terrorists are targeting civilians, video taping brutal beheadings of civilian hostages, targeting and destroying the infrastructure of Iraq, executing masses of people for taking a job to feed their families and doing everything they can to create a civil war.

Who do you think is more “in the right”?

So you really think that because I don't support the war, I support terrorism?

No, I think you aid the terrorist by opposing it. The terrorists are cutting peoples heads off on video because they’re counting on people like you to help them win the war the only way they can win it.

Let us not forget:

Anakin Skywalker: If you're not with me... then you're my enemy!

Obi-Wan: Only a Sith deals in absolutes. I will do what I must.

teacher is a SITH!

That was lame. I guess that makes you a Sith too then doesn’t it? You deal in absolutes.

I can’t believe you’re quoting Star Wars as though it were some authority on anything related to the real world.

 

[Gandhi>Bush]

You don’t have to say you’ve taken the side of the terrorists to aid them.

I believe that violence is never going to make the terrorist threat go away. I don't think that belief aids them in anyway. As a matter of fact, I believe if that kind of idea was both practiced and preached by American leadership, it would cripple them quite a bit, and no one would get killed in that process.

Not really.

That is quite black and white. By the way, earlier I didn't take the time to thank everyone that defended me. Thank you all, NYU, Akyron, Pacridge, anyone else.

You’re dealing in absolutes. I believe we Americans are taking every reasonable measure to prevent the loss of civilian lives. We aren’t targeting civilians; we’re trying to help them.

The terrorists are targeting civilians, video taping brutal beheadings of civilian hostages, targeting and destroying the infrastructure of Iraq, executing masses of people for taking a job to feed their families and doing everything they can to create a civil war.

Who do you think is more “in the right”?

Just because we're not targeting them doesn't mean we're not killing them does it? When a bomb explodes, it doesn't kill everyone you targeted, it kills everone in the immediate area.

Who do I think is more in the right? It's not about who's "more in the right" it's about who is in it in general. Just because someone is less evil, doesn't make them good.

No, I think you aid the terrorist by opposing it. The terrorists are cutting peoples heads off on video because they’re counting on people like you to help them win the war the only way they can win it.

How are people like me helping them? Should I just lick the presidents balls and agree with everything he does? Would this stop terrorism?

That was lame. I guess that makes you a Sith too then doesn’t it? You deal in absolutes.

I can’t believe you’re quoting Star Wars as though it were some authority on anything related to the real world.

That was meant to be more comical than anything. I was just joking around. I didn't site Star Wars as a source, I was playing around. It was sarcasm. Calm down.

 

[RightinNYC]

Not really.

You're right. It wasn't a bit of a stretch.

It was a foolish statement made in what turned out to be a foolish series of posts by a foolish person.

While I might agree with you about the necessity of the war, simply because someone else chooses to oppose it doesn't make them a traitor. Far from it.

 

[RightinNYC]

How are people like me helping them? Should I just lick the presidents balls and agree with everything he does? Would this stop terrorism?

No, but it would turn me on.

And if you were drinking Gandhi's urine at the same time?

holyshit that would be the best selling porno of all time.

 

[Gandhi>Bush]

Give me 3% percent of profits and you've got yourself a deal.

 

[teacher]

Let us not forget:

Anakin Skywalker: If you're not with me... then you're my enemy!

Obi-Wan: Only a Sith deals in absolutes. I will do what I must.

teacher is a SITH!

Slim cites Macbeth and the Godfather and you cite Star wars to argue against black and white? I cite last weeks Meet the Press with Lugar, Nunn and Thompson saying our biggest problem today is terrorists obtaining nukes. Just like a post by me previous to this shows airing. Call me names or a Sith. That discredits the merits of my arguments. How about a logical argument against the facts stated by me. Seems the loser of an debate usually resorts to name calling instead of a intelligent reply. Would my reply be better said instead of referring to the Senate statements but with the reply "I know you are but what am I?" I say this war is on because we need to try and change the entire culture of the terrorists. I say the towers fell because planes flown by madmen crashed into them. I say with the power of this nation it is our moral duty to free the oppressed citizens of foreign nations. I say if we do nothing eventually a mushroom cloud will rise in this nation. I say a long as they target women and children their concerns and reasons are secondary to their barbaric actions. I say freedom and knowledge will spread though the middle east and that is very hard to put back in the bag. Anyone hear the recent report of a hundred plus empty sites previously holding WMD's so far discovered in Iraq? If there was no WMD's then these sites are what? Gandi I never said you support terrorists of oppression of women. I've put forth my ideas of the why we do, the what we should do, and what I think the future holds. How about a plan you think should work. Should we even do anything about the Arab women who in any other context would be called slaves? Nay saying others without a plan of you own doesn't go very far in this country. Just ask Kerry.

Free the woman.

 

[Gandhi>Bush]

Slim cites Macbeth and the Godfather and you cite Star wars to argue against black and white? I cite last weeks Meet the Press with Lugar, Nunn and Thompson saying our biggest problem today is terrorists obtaining nukes. Just like a post by me previous to this shows airing. Call me names or a Sith. That discredits the merits of my arguments. How about a logical argument against the facts stated by me. Seems the loser of an debate usually resorts to name calling instead of a intelligent reply. Would my reply be better said instead of referring to the Senate statements but with the reply "I know you are but what am I?"

From now on, when ever I'm being sarcastic and joking around I will say so. It will be like

WARNING WARNING: JOKES AND SARCASM ALERT!

Sound like a good deal? Everyone cool with that?

If you were in anyway truly offended by me sarcastically making a star wars nerd out of myself by calling you a Sith, I apologize. It was just a jest.

I say this war is on because we need to try and change the entire culture of the terrorists.

And you think the best way to challenge their culture is by resorting to the same violence they use?

I say the towers fell because planes flown by madmen crashed into them. I say with the power of this nation it is our moral duty to free the oppressed citizens of foreign nations. I say if we do nothing eventually a mushroom cloud will rise in this nation. I say a long as they target women and children their concerns and reasons are secondary to their barbaric actions.

Woudn't it be better to unmake the logic that leads to such barbaric actions? I believe we have only brought more hatred toward America as a result of this war. I believe if this war gets anymore out of control, you will be right about a mushroom cloud rising in this nation.

Gandi I never said you support terrorists of oppression of women.

Originally Posted by akyron
I agree. Issues are rarely so black and white.

All is black and white.


Free the woman.

I'm sorry. I took your disagreement with akyron to be an agreement with GPS. "All is black and white," you said. Which basically makes me a terrorist.

I've put forth my ideas of the why we do, the what we should do, and what I think the future holds. How about a plan you think should work. Should we even do anything about the Arab women who in any other context would be called slaves? Nay saying others without a plan of you own doesn't go very far in this country. Just ask Kerry.

Free the woman.

Honestly, what Mrs. Bush did when she was(possibly still is) in the middle east. Just kind of walking around showing people that she was a free woman, I think that was quite a statement. Keep that up. I guarantee you with such actions like that, the woman will want to get their own revolution and hell, they might actually want our help.

As far as ending terrorism, you wage a PR campaign. We need people to see us feeding the people that are starving, essentially unmaking the model of "the great white satan of the west." Any good deeds will work and just throw them into mass communication.

 

[teacher]

If you were in anyway truly offended by me sarcastically making a star wars nerd out of myself by calling you a Sith, I apologize. It was just a jest

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Offended? By a name? Hell I love Star Wars. Threaten or hurt my children, then will I take offence. As for the rest, well I'm a grown up and "Sticks and stones may break my bones".

And you think the best way to challenge their culture is by resorting to the same violence they use?

The same voilence they use? We go out of our way to limit civilian harm. They make them their primary target.

I believe we have only brought more hatred toward America as a result of this war.

Remember the first Trade center bombing? They hate us enough allready.

I

believe if this war gets anymore out of control, you will be right about a mushroom cloud rising in this nation.

If they had a nuke instead of hijacked planes it would allready be done.

I'm sorry. I took your disagreement with akyron to be an agreement with GPS. "All is black and white," you said. Which basically makes me a terrorist

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No biggie. Sometimes on this site with all the quotes and text movement things get hard to follow their correct suorce.

Honestly, what Mrs. Bush did when she was(possibly still is) in the middle east. Just kind of walking around showing people that she was a free woman, I think that was quite a statement. Keep that up

I agree. But the Arab women see that and then make the mistake of saying something out loud then their answer will be a beating and Koran quotes about the place of a woman. And if the women asked for our help what would you do? I say we are doing it now.

As far as ending terrorism, you wage a PR campaign. We need people to see us feeding the people that are starving, essentially unmaking the model of "the great white satan of the west." Any good deeds will work and just throw them into mass communication

My God we have been doing this for decades.Who was there for the Tsunami victims. How much money? And yet some Muslim Cleric said the Tsunami was God punishing Christians. When the majority of victims were Muslim.We have been feeding and immunizing the world, building schools and hospitals, teaching agriculture and birth control. Remember foreign aid? Who is the first country to show up at a earthquake with doctors and dogs and rescue crews? We are Americans and we do this of our free will. The unwashed masses will never see us feeding the starving. Think that would lead on Al Jazera. Think a old Muslim man would point that out to his room full of future suicide bombers. Boy them Arabs sure liked us when we were kicking Saddam out of Kuwait.We liberated a whole country, should get good PR out of that. No, we are an ally of Israel and we are not Muslim. All the charity and good works will not change that. Your heart is in the right place Gandhi, but beaters of woman take that for weakness and will use that against us