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War on Proverty, no more War in Iraq

Comrade Brian said:
But Cuba is one of the best off Latin American countries, the govt. spews tons of benefits. And also Cuba was one of the poorest before Castro, did you look at what US-backed Batista's govt. did?
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I never said I support the pre-Castro government.
 
But Cuba is one of the best off Latin American countries, the govt. spews tons of benefits.
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How sure are you that "Cuba is one of the best off Latin American countries"? How are you defining "well off"? I haven't looked at the stats in a while, but that certainly isn't how I remember them. Furthermore, "the govt. spews tons of benefits" is exactly what a socialist/communist state is designed to do, but, unfortunately, quantity does not equal quality.

Admittedly, I haven't looked at the Cuban stats in several years, but my recollection is that there were definite reasons that so many Cubans were voting with thier lives trying to get out of Cuba. Have things improved as much as you suggest?
 
oldreliable67 said:
"the govt. spews tons of benefits" is exactly what a socialist/communist state is designed to do, but, unfortunately, quantity does not equal quality.
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Yes because no benefits at all is much better right? This brings me to another issue I was thinking about. Healthcare. Right now we're in a healthcare crisis because almost 39 million people aren't insured.

In Canada, which is a democratic socialist nation, they give out healthcare for free! The weird thing is that they have one of the best systems because it actually covers people unlike in this nation.
 
The Real McCoy said:
I never said I support the pre-Castro government.
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I never said you did. I just said thy're better now than under Batista.
 
In Canada, which is a democratic socialist nation, they give out healthcare for free!
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Have you examined the tax structure in Canada? Canadian Health Service is certainly not free, it is merely paid for by all Canadians, whether they avail themselves of the service or not. Other more-or-less socialist nations pursue similar policies.
 
oldreliable67 said:
Have you examined the tax structure in Canada? Canadian Health Service is certainly not free, it is merely paid for by all Canadians, whether they avail themselves of the service or not. Other more-or-less socialist nations pursue similar policies.
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Yes I know its not for free, but it is sandard for each citizen ehich here it's not because 40 million people aren't insured. Sure there are high taxes but Canada has lots of benefits like Social Security. There's no Social Security crisis in Canada like the one here.
 
Che said:
In Canada, which is a democratic socialist nation, they give out healthcare for free! The weird thing is that they have one of the best systems because it actually covers people unlike in this nation.
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Just because everyone's covered doesn't make it "one of the best systems." Why do you think Canadians who can afford it come to the United States for treatment?
 
The Real McCoy said:
Just because everyone's covered doesn't make it "one of the best systems." Why do you think Canadians who can afford it come to the United States for treatment?
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Because the United States system is cheaper. lol


What are you talking about no canadian comes to the US. The US has the most expensive systems in the World. Medication has sky rocketed prices
 
Che said:
Because the United States system is cheaper. lol


What are you talking about no canadian comes to the US. The US has the most expensive systems in the World. Medication has sky rocketed prices
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They do actually, for a couple reasons: better quality care here in the U.S. and because of waiting periods in Canada.

Case Study: Canadians heading south. But it isn't against the law for Canadians to cross the U.S. border and pay for care they can't get in Canada. In fact, the U.S. has become the safety valve for a foreign health care system that would implode economically and politically without access to U.S. doctors, hospitals and drugs.

On Jan. 16, 2000, the New York Times titled a story, "Full Hospitals Make Canadians Wait and Look South." The article concludes: "As a result, Canada has moved informally to a two-tier, public-private system. Although private practice is limited to dentists and veterinarians, 90% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the United States, and many people are crossing the border for private care."

http://www.usanext.org/full_story.cfm?article_id=19&category_id=4
 
The Real McCoy said:
They do actually, for a couple reasons: better quality care here in the U.S. and because of waiting periods in Canada.

Case Study: Canadians heading south. But it isn't against the law for Canadians to cross the U.S. border and pay for care they can't get in Canada. In fact, the U.S. has become the safety valve for a foreign health care system that would implode economically and politically without access to U.S. doctors, hospitals and drugs.

On Jan. 16, 2000, the New York Times titled a story, "Full Hospitals Make Canadians Wait and Look South." The article concludes: "As a result, Canada has moved informally to a two-tier, public-private system. Although private practice is limited to dentists and veterinarians, 90% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the United States, and many people are crossing the border for private care."

http://www.usanext.org/full_story.cfm?article_id=19&category_id=4
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So what are you suggesting McCoy? That we have a better system because although we don't take care of ourselves! We take care of the canadians so that makes up our lack national healthcare coverage
 
Che said:
So what are you suggesting McCoy? That we have a better system because although we don't take care of ourselves! We take care of the canadians so that makes up our lack national healthcare coverage
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No, I'm saying that our system is better because we have better medicines and more options because of better technologies.
 
The Real McCoy said:
No, I'm saying that our system is better because we have better medicines and more options because of better technologies.
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but having better medicine and having more options doesn'thelp the American people if Medicine is twice as expensive as it should and if the system doesn't cover anyone
 
Che said:
but having better medicine and having more options doesn'thelp the American people if Medicine is twice as expensive as it should and if the system doesn't cover anyone
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If our government enacted serious tort reform then health care costs would plummet in this country.
 
http://www.saynotocaps.org/

Click on "Mythbuster: 2 dozen things your doctor eon't tell you about tort reform"

Tort reform actually won't lower the cost. It'll only make it better suited for the rich
 
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