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War Azeris and Armenians plunge into war as Putin and Turkey look on. geostrategic tensions between them over proxy

Tigerace117 said:
“Azerbaijan’s territorial integrity”? The only reason Azerbaijan even has a claim is because some long dead communists ...
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koba did it, as an imperial bomb for both nations. do you realize that “Azerbaijan’s territorial integrity” respect US, UN, EU , even Muscovy (officially ) ? like it or no , this is what we have , its the international law .
 
Litwin said:
koba did it, as an imperial bomb for both nations. do you realize that “Azerbaijan’s territorial integrity” respect US, UN, EU , even Muscovy (officially ) ? like it or no , this is what we have , its the international law .
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You keep misspelling Stalin and the USSR.

Why take you seriously?
 
Litwin said:
koba did it, as an imperial bomb for both nations. do you realize that “Azerbaijan’s territorial integrity” respect US, UN, EU , even Muscovy (officially ) ? like it or no , this is what we have , its the international law .
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Internationl law does not allow you to launch a war of aggression simply because you think land is yours. Period. End of story. Furthermore, international law also has to take national self determination into account. The people of the area don’t want to be part of Azerbaijan. That is far more important than a random line drawn on a map a century ago.
 
To point out azerbajain lost the last round, armenia has russia and iran as direct allies in the conflict, with america and israel loosely backing them but not willing to provide direct assistance. Azer is almost entirely reliant on turkey at this point, turkey has already taken massive losses trying to fight sryian govt forces, kurds, and in libya, they have not been good in any of those ventures, which is expected since their dictator purged their forces ie cleansed all experience after the coup attempt.

Armenia is also known for tank maneuvers, they participate in russias tank olympics, often outperforming most other nations, to put it simply armenians with tanks work like israeli's with tanks, they are aggressive, mean, fast, and you better have your sh%% together if you plan to be on the opposite side of their tank formations.
 
Azerbaijan, Armenia reject talks as Karabakh conflict widens UN Security Council expressed concern about the clashes, after Secretary-General Antonio Guterres called for a halt to fighting. For more: https://aje.io/petve
 
beerftw said:
To point out azerbajain lost the last round, armenia has russia and iran as direct allies in the conflict, with america and israel loosely backing them but not willing to provide direct assistance. Azer is almost entirely reliant on turkey at this point, turkey has already taken massive losses trying to fight sryian govt forces, kurds, and in libya, they have not been good in any of those ventures, which is expected since their dictator purged their forces ie cleansed all experience after the coup attempt.

Armenia is also known for tank maneuvers, they participate in russias tank olympics, often outperforming most other nations, to put it simply armenians with tanks work like israeli's with tanks, they are aggressive, mean, fast, and you better have your sh%% together if you plan to be on the opposite side of their tank formations.
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Iran supports traditionally Armenia and you forgot to mention a NATO member - Turkey
 
Tigerace117 said:
Internationl law does not allow you to launch a wa..
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International law does allow defend own territory from the terrorists and other dangers and this exactly what Azerbaijan does today
 
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Litwin said:
LOL, Satin much like Koba were the official nicknames of Gerogean (who saw himself as Muscovite) Marxist bandit J. Jugashvili

Stalin continued to use Koba as his Party name in the underground world of the RSDLP. During conversations, Lenin called Stalin "Koba". Among his friends he ..
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What does the world know him as?

Stalin.

And where did he live?

Russia and the USSR.
 
Litwin said:
International law does allow defend own territory from the terrorists and other dangers and this exactly what Azerbaijan does today
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What “terrorists”? There are no “terrorists” innthr area (other than the infamous incident where an Azeri lieutenant was rewarded by Baku for ax-murdering an Armenian officer) and Azerbaijan didn’t even bother with an attempt at a casus belli.

The fact of the matter is that this is a war of aggression started by the Azeris and the locals have no interest in being part of Azerbaijan.....which is another reason why the Azeri offensive has been so badly bloodied already.
 
Azerbaijan has stated it will not cease operations until the Armenians withdraw from the disputed regions, a total non-starter. The likelihood of intervention is rising.
 
Erdoğan fancies himself the next great Ottoman Emperor. The sooner the Mossad take him out the better in my book.
 
lemmiwinx said:
Erdoğan fancies himself the next great Ottoman Emperor. The sooner the Mossad take him out the better in my book.
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Mossad has no interest in taking him out. They’ve never had a problem with working with despots as long as those despots are at least neutral towards them. Look at how they helped the apartheid regime get nukes.
 
Litwin said:
Iran supports traditionally Armenia and you forgot to mention a NATO member - Turkey
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Well turkey does not support armenia though, the reason russia is in armenia is to prevent turkey from invading, because after the soviet union broke up and the two countries fought, turkey wanted to wipe armenia off the face of the earth( they seem to have this thing of hating armenia almost like they committed a genocide against them)

Either way being nato has nothing in play here as being a nato nation does not grant nato support for invading other nations over border disputes outside that nato nation. America is very friendly with both nations in the conflict as is israel, both would mostly stay out of it unless there was some benefit or reason to get directly involved.

Turkey on the other hand is on the losing end, they hate armenia, tried to starve their country when russia blocked them from invading, tried to shut off fuel to armenia which led to armenia firing up dangerously old unkept nuclear reactors and iran working overtime to suppply other fuels and power, but besides just their hate of armenia, they already started crap with syria, and libya, then threatened greece in which france actually backed greece(greece is a nato nation.

So what we have here is a nato nation who has had their ass handed to them over and over in conflicts but keeps pulling a black knight and coming back for seconds. They are even in conflict with nato nations and consider parts of greece and bulgaria their property even though both are nato nations. Their military in recent years is garbage because of the purges, turkey was well known for it's military, but erdogan and his arab style purge anyone who might oppose me tactic yielded poor leadership and tactics, and it will take a long time for turkey to regain what they lost due to erdogans paranoia.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Azerbaijan has stated it will not cease operations until the Armenians withdraw from the disputed regions, a total non-starter. The likelihood of intervention is rising.
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occuption of 1/3 of Azerbaijan is just a small part of Moscow´s grand Strategy
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The Russian Grand Strategy

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Russia has a grand strategy in its foreign policy realm, it certainly involves the purposeful creation of conflict zones and their management across the post-Soviet space. The fall of the Soviet Union was indeed the biggest geopolitical setback for Moscow as the country instantly lost such large portions of land on a scale rarely, if ever, seen in recorded history. But keeping 11 buffer states around Russia has remained a cornerstone of the Kremlin’s foreign policy against Western influence. Politicians in Russia clearly saw that because of Russia’s low economic potential, the South Caucasus states would inevitably turn to Europe. The same would happen on Russia’s western frontier in Moldova and Ukraine, which have been more susceptible to Western economic and military potential because of geographic proximity and historical interconnections.


And it can be rightly said that Russia has been quite successful in fomenting and managing Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Transnistria and east Ukraine conflicts in the last 25 years. From Moscow’s perspective, through these conflicts Moldova’s, Georgia’s and Ukraine’s pro-western aspirations would be stopped if not permanently, then at least significantly hampered. Even in “Nagorno Karabakh,” .... Russia having the highest biggest stakes through which it exercises influence on Azerbaijan’s foreign policy and thus limits Baku’s potential to be more influential in such.


However, it is becoming more and more difficult to manage five breakaway conflicts together. First, financial support for the regimes (except for “Nagorno Karabakh”) comes from Moscow. To this should be added military expenses related to the stationing of military bases there. Third, Russian support for breakaway regimes has created a veritable arc of anti-Russian states along almost the entirety of Russia’s southern and western borders.

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beerftw said:
Well turkey does not support armenia though, the reason russia is in armenia is to prevent turkey from invading, because after the soviet union broke up and the two countries fought, turkey wanted to wipe armenia off the face of the earth....
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I am not a big fan of E. political conctruction but you are wrong , why´d turkey want to wipe Armenia off the face of the earth?
 
modern western technologies vs. badly outdated ussr - Muscovite hardware


 
Azerbaijan has been claiming a lot of kills from their drones, but looking through some of their released photos its clear they've been duped by decoys on more than one occasion.

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Jredbaron96 said:
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Armenian genocide - Wikipedia

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I know very well about AG, did I ever question that Ottomans -Turks commit this crime? + According to UN resolutions land belongs to Azerbaijan But still occupied by Moscow´s poodles 30 years already , So war is absolute necessary to take their land back

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During the Nagorno-Karabakh War, territories constituting the former NKAO region of Azerbaijan and the seven adjacent rayons (some of them partly) were occupied by the Armenian forces. As a result, people had to leave their homes. Azerbaijan now has one of the highest numbers of internally displaced persons (IDPs) per capita in the world.[13] The IDPs are presented in all of the 76 administrative districts in Azerbaijan. Initially, most of them lived in tent camps and public buildings such as schools, hostels, and dormitories. Since 2001, the Government increased its efforts to solve IDPs' problems. In 2002, the construction of new settlements started, and by the end of 2007, all tent camps were abolished.[11]

The Government of Azerbaijan with the help of the international community has started drafting a Framework Plan for the Return of IDPs to the occupied regions after the settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh Conflict (The Great Return Programme).[11]

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Refugees in Azerbaijan - Wikipedia

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Litwin said:
I know very well about AG, did I ever question that Ottomans -Turks commit this crime? + According to UN resolutions land belongs to Azerbaijan But still occupied by Moscow´s poodles 30 years already
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You are vastly overselling how much Russia cares about Armenia. Armenia is not a Russian puppet, nor does Moscow have any special kind of real love for Armenia. What Russia wants in the Caucuses has been the same since Chechnya, stability. And since Russia knows that if Azerbaijan takes back Nagorno-Karabakh there will certainly be ethnic cleansing to follow, which will lead to even more instability. Worse, that kind of ethnic cleansing might prompt NATO to make some noise, and the last thing Russia wants is more NATO involvement in the Caucuses.

So Russia backs Armenia to maintain the status quo, which keeps the Caucuses more or less quiet. Armenia does not do what it does because it takes marching orders from Moscow.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Azerbaijan has been claiming a lot of kills from their drones, but looking through some of their released photos its clear they've been duped by decoys on more than one occasion.

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Mar 27, 2017 - The information war between Armenia and Azerbaijan started when the two ... war was being carried out in an impromptu fashion by both sides. ... but to also implement a coordinated propaganda campaign using the media.
 
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