War Azeris and Armenians plunge into war as Putin and Turkey look on. geostrategic tensions between them over proxy

[Litwin]

Putin has tuff times, he is sick and washed (Belarus, own economy , 5 wars, sanctions, isolation, Navalny, oil prices, etc. ) out and the neighbors who were oppressed by Moscow´s empire for many years see it and they move in .


"War Azeris and Armenians plunge into war as Putin and Turkey look on... The confrontation has the potential to drag in Russia and Turkey, adding to geostrategic tensions between them over proxy conflicts in Syria and Libya.


Russia has a mutual-defense pact with Armenia and a military base in the republic, while Azerbaijan hosted large-scale joint military exercises with Turkish forces last month. "

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Turkey Vows Support for Azerbaijan in Escalating Nagorno-Karabakh Conflict

Ankara, siding against Armenia in the fight over the disputed enclave, raises tensions with Russia

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Turkey backs Azerbaijan against Armenia as war looms over the Caucasus

Armenia and Azerbaijan are once again fighting over the enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh in a conflict that could draw in Russia and Turkey.

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What Putin fears - Russians and Belarusians are tired of ...
www.economist.com › leaders › 2020/08/29 › russians-...



Aug 29, 2020 - Vladimir Putin is rattled. Why else is Alexei Navalny, an anti-corruption crusader and Mr Putin's greatest popular rival for the Russian presidency, .

 

[Litwin]

Syrian rebel fighters prepare to deploy to Azerbaijan in sign of Turkey’s ambition

Volunteers in last rebel stronghold claim a Turkish private firm is signing up fighters

www.theguardian.com

 

[Litwin]

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The Azerbaijani (read A. and Turkish) army has destroyed the third Khojavend motorized rifle regiment of the Armenian (read A. and Putin´s) armed forces, stationed in Khojavand region, the Azerbaijani defense ministry stated Tuesday.


“As a result of the strikes by the Azerbaijani army, the 3rd Khojavend motorized rifle regiment of the Armenian armed forces, stationed in Khojavand region, was destroyed," chief of the press service of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry Col. Vagif Dargahli told the Azertac state news agency.


“As a result, the Armenian side suffered heavy losses; the regiment was completely defeated,” Dargahli noted.

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Azerbaijan's forces destroy Armenian military unit in Nagorno-Karabakh region's Khojavand

The Azerbaijani army has destroyed the third Khojavend motorized rifle regiment of the Armenian armed forces, stationed in Khojavand region, the...

www.dailysabah.com

 

[Litwin]

Turkish army Facebook page ) bad news for Putin and his ulus . With cost of “black gold” at 15-23 dollars per barrel, the USSR economy collapsed, and the sovok itself collapsed, and the "golden" horde ("russia") budget can only be fulfilled only with oil price at $ 42.4 and higher

 

[Fledermaus]

Turkish army Facebook page ) bad news for Putin and his ulus . With cost of “black gold” at 15-23 dollars per barrel, the USSR economy collapsed, and the sovok itself collapsed, and the "golden" horde ("russia") budget can only be fulfilled only with oil price at $ 42.4 and higher

There is no "Golden Horde".

The RUSSIANS beat them down.

The only Ulu is Mongolia.

Why do you say stupid things?

 

[Litwin]

Great news , USA technologies vs Sovok´s technologies
"
2- Armenia said #Turkey F-16

(US-made) downed an Armenian Su-25 (Russian-made). Pilot killed "

 

[Fledermaus]

Great news , USA technologies vs Sovok´s technologies
"
2- Armenia said #Turkey F-16

(US-made) downed an Armenian Su-25 (Russian-made). Pilot killed "

An American made F16 downed a Russian built SU25.

This is a technology thing?

 

[Litwin]

An American made F16 downed a Russian built SU25.

This is a technology thing?

of cos , Muscovite ulus in all forms and shapes, under all names could produce only crap









Incredible Soviet Rip-offs of Western Technologies - io9
io9.gizmodo.com › incredible-soviet-rip-offs-of-wester...


Jul 31, 2013 - Nothing says "Cold War glamour" like a Soviet knock-off of a Western technology — especially ... The Tu-4 was a reverse-engineered copy of the B-29: ... Some things the Ruskies did still had that "Only in Soviet Russia" label.

 

[Jredbaron96]

A multi-role fighter shooting down a subsonic attack aircraft isn't exactly an apt demonstration of technological supremacy.

 

[Fledermaus]

of cos , Muscovite ulus in all forms and shapes, under all names could produce only crap








Incredible Soviet Rip-offs of Western Technologies - io9
io9.gizmodo.com › incredible-soviet-rip-offs-of-wester...


Jul 31, 2013 - Nothing says "Cold War glamour" like a Soviet knock-off of a Western technology — especially ... The Tu-4 was a reverse-engineered copy of the B-29: ... Some things the Ruskies did still had that "Only in Soviet Russia" label.

There are no Muscovite Ulus.

So they didn't produce anything.

And the RUSSIANS have produced plenty of military weapons that have been examples of either advanced technology or unique versions of existing technology.

T-34, IS-2/3

The Tupelo TU-22, 22M, 160 bombers.

Anti aircraft systems.

Various MiG fighters

Akula submarines

You are jumping up and down because a Fighter took down a GROUND Attack aircraft.

 

[Litwin]

There are no Muscovite Ulus.

So they didn't produce anything.

And the RUSSIANS have produced plenty of military weapons that have been examples of either advanced technology or unique versions of existing technology.

T-34, IS-2/3

The Tupelo TU-22, 22M, 160 bombers.

Anti aircraft systems.

Various MiG fighters

Akula submarines

You are jumping up and down because a Fighter took down a GROUND Attack aircraft.

from pro - Kremlin propaganda to reality , just in 4 sec.
"
2- Armenia said #Turkey F-16

(US-made) downed an Armenian Su-25 (Russian-made). Pilot killed "

 

[Litwin]

A multi-role fighter shooting down a subsonic attack aircraft isn't exactly an apt demonstration of technological supremacy.

why Muscovite (soviet made) aircrafts always end up on the bottom in conflict with made in free world jets ?
Why did it take Turkey just 17 seconds to shoot down Russian ...
www.theguardian.com › russia-turkey-jet-mark-galeotti



Nov 26, 2015 - That the Turks shot down the jet and did so within 17 seconds – with the president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, saying he gave the order to fire ...



Turkey was prepared to shoot down a second Russian fighter ...
www.nordicmonitor.com › 2020 › February


Feb 25, 2020 - On November 24, 2015 a Russian Sukhoi Su-24M was struck by Turkish F-16 fighter jets near the border with Syria, close to where Turkey's ...

 

[Fledermaus]

from pro - Kremlin propaganda to reality , just in 4 sec.
"
2- Armenia said #Turkey F-16

(US-made) downed an Armenian Su-25 (Russian-made). Pilot killed "

Reality.

A fighter shot down a GROUND ATTACK aircraft.

That is like a heavy weight fighter beating up a school boy.

 

[Fledermaus]

why Muscovite (soviet made) aircrafts always end up on the bottom in conflict with made in free world jets ?
Why did it take Turkey just 17 seconds to shoot down Russian ...
www.theguardian.com › russia-turkey-jet-mark-galeotti



Nov 26, 2015 - That the Turks shot down the jet and did so within 17 seconds – with the president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, saying he gave the order to fire ...


Turkey was prepared to shoot down a second Russian fighter ...
www.nordicmonitor.com › 2020 › February


Feb 25, 2020 - On November 24, 2015 a Russian Sukhoi Su-24M was struck by Turkish F-16 fighter jets near the border with Syria, close to where Turkey's ...

There are no "Muscovite" fighters.

Ask the Pakistanis about their F16 talent down by an old MiG 21

 

[joko104]

Define the word "quagmire." Answer: The Caucasus.

 

[Jredbaron96]

why Muscovite (soviet made) aircrafts always end up on the bottom in conflict with made in free world jets ?

Well, they don't.

In Korea Soviet pilots traded at about a 1:1 ratio with US pilots, and Indian pilots flying Soviet MiGs repeatedly trounced Pakistani pilots flying American made fighters. And while they traded roughly 2:1 against American pilots (which is fairly impressive given the disparity in training time and quality between them), the North Vietnamese were more than a match for their South Vietnamese counterparts.

Granted, against the Israelis the Arab air forces of Syria and Egypt struggled mightily, but these same air forces often failed to maintain their aircraft properly, and in Iraq's case their crews had a bad habit of putting the wrong payloads on the planes. So there's a bit more to it than just West vs Soviet airframes.

 

[Litwin]

Armenia says its fighter jet 'shot down by Turkey'

Armenia says its SU-25 fighter jet was shot down in Armenian air space, a claim Turkey denies.

www.bbc.com

What's happened to the jet?
Armenian Defence Ministry spokeswoman Shushan Stepanyan said the Armenian SU-25 was shot down on Tuesday morning and the pilot "died heroically".
In a Facebook post, she said the Turkish F-16 was 60km (37 miles) deep into Armenian air space.
Turkey immediately denied the claim as "absolutely untrue".
"Armenia should withdraw from the territories under its occupation instead of resorting to cheap propaganda tricks," Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's aide Fahrettin Altun said.
No material evidence about the jet has yet been released. Azerbaijan has called for Armenia to provide it.

 

[Fledermaus]

Armenia says its fighter jet 'shot down by Turkey'

Armenia says its SU-25 fighter jet was shot down in Armenian air space, a claim Turkey denies.

www.bbc.com

What's happened to the jet?
Armenian Defence Ministry spokeswoman Shushan Stepanyan said the Armenian SU-25 was shot down on Tuesday morning and the pilot "died heroically".
In a Facebook post, she said the Turkish F-16 was 60km (37 miles) deep into Armenian air space.
Turkey immediately denied the claim as "absolutely untrue".
"Armenia should withdraw from the territories under its occupation instead of resorting to cheap propaganda tricks," Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's aide Fahrettin Altun said.
No material evidence about the jet has yet been released. Azerbaijan has called for Armenia to provide it.

A fighter shot down a GROUND ATTACK aircraft.

That is like a heavy weight fighter beating up a school boy.

 

[Tigerace117]

Great news , USA technologies vs Sovok´s technologies
"
2- Armenia said #Turkey F-16

(US-made) downed an Armenian Su-25 (Russian-made). Pilot killed "

A SU-25 is a ground attack aircraft.

An F-16 is a fighter.

Fighters should be able to win a “dogfight” with a ground attack aircraft.

Therefore, your celebration is rather meaningless.

 

[Litwin]

Well, they don't.

In Korea Soviet pilots traded at about a 1:1 ratio with US pilots, and Indian pilots flying Soviet MiGs repeatedly trounced Pakistani pilots flying American made fighters. And while they traded roughly 2:1 against American pilots (which is fairly impressive given the disparity in training time and quality between them), the North Vietnamese were more than a match for their South Vietnamese counterparts.

Granted, against the Israelis the Arab air forces of Syria and Egypt struggled mightily, but these same air forces often failed to maintain their aircraft properly, and in Iraq's case their crews had a bad habit of putting the wrong payloads on the planes. So there's a bit more to it than just West vs Soviet airframes.

A fighter shot down a GROUND ATTACK aircraft.

That is like a heavy weight fighter beating up a school boy.

A SU-25 is a ground attack aircraft.

An F-16 is a fighter.

Fighters should be able to win a “dogfight” with a ground attack aircraft.

Therefore, your celebration is rather meaningless.

do you agree that Turkish / Azerbaijan coalition have technological underhand in war against Kremlin/Armenian occupiers ?

Azerbaijan Has Advantage Over Armenia In U.S. Military Aid

eurasianet.org

Military Procurements on Armenia's and Azerbaijan's Defense Agendas

<p><strong>By Ilgar Gurbanov</strong></p> <p><strong>March 27, 2019, the CACI Analyst</strong></p> &lt...

www.cacianalyst.org

 

[Litwin]

Azerbaijan: Armenian-Syrian mercenaries helping Armenia

Some corpses found among Armenian army casualties found to be mercenaries coming from Syria, say Azerbaijani officials - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[Jredbaron96]

do you agree that Turkish / Azerbaijan coalition have technological underhand in war against Kremlin/Armenian occupiers ?

Given the losses sustained by the Azerbaijani military I'm actually not that impressed. A lot of the videos I've seen shows piss poor tactics all around, namely Azeri tanks moving around without any infantry support and getting blasted apart by mines and ATGMs. It's the kind of shit show I would expect from the Saudis or the SAA, but apparently Azerbaijan isn't much better.

 

[Tigerace117]

do you agree that Turkish / Azerbaijan coalition have technological underhand in war against Kremlin/Armenian occupiers ?

Azerbaijan Has Advantage Over Armenia In U.S. Military Aid

eurasianet.org

Military Procurements on Armenia's and Azerbaijan's Defense Agendas

<p><strong>By Ilgar Gurbanov</strong></p> <p><strong>March 27, 2019, the CACI Analyst</strong></p> &lt...

www.cacianalyst.org

The Armenians have the better quality military, even though the Azeris have more advanced technology.

As the latest round of fighting shows.

And no, Armenia is not the “occupier”

 

[Litwin]

And no, Armenia is not the “occupier”

what intentional law says about your pro - Kremlin narrative ?

Council of Europe Parliamentary Assembly Resolution 1416 (2005) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

On November 11, 1993, the UN Security Council adopted Resolution 884, condemning the recent violations of the cease-fire established between the parties, which resulted in a resumption of hostilities, and particularly condemning the occupation of Zangilan district and the city of Horadiz, attacks on civilians and bombardments of the territory of the Republic of Azerbaijan, and demanding the unilateral withdrawal of occupying forces from Zangilan district and the city of Horadiz and the withdrawal of occupying forces from other recently occupied areas of the Republic of Azerbaijan.

The UN General Assembly Resolution of March 14, 2008, covered legal, political and humanitarian aspects of the conflict and reaffirmed the principles of its settlement. These principles reaffirmed Azerbaijan’s territorial integrity, expressing support for the country’s internationally recognized borders and demanding the immediate withdrawal of all Armenian forces from all occupied territories, reaffirmed the inalienable right of the Azerbaijani population to return to their homes, and reaffirmed that no state should recognize as lawful the situation resulting from the occupation of Azerbaijan’s territories, or render assistance in maintaining that situation. The resolution also recognized the need to provide secure and equal conditions of life for Armenian and Azerbaijani communities in the Nagorno-Karabakh region, which would allow an effective democratic system of self-governance to be built up in the region within Azerbaijan.

 

[Tigerace117]

what intentional law says about your pro - Kremlin narrative ?

Council of Europe Parliamentary Assembly Resolution 1416 (2005) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

On November 11, 1993, the UN Security Council adopted Resolution 884, condemning the recent violations of the cease-fire established between the parties, which resulted in a resumption of hostilities, and particularly condemning the occupation of Zangilan district and the city of Horadiz, attacks on civilians and bombardments of the territory of the Republic of Azerbaijan, and demanding the unilateral withdrawal of occupying forces from Zangilan district and the city of Horadiz and the withdrawal of occupying forces from other recently occupied areas of the Republic of Azerbaijan.

The UN General Assembly Resolution of March 14, 2008, covered legal, political and humanitarian aspects of the conflict and reaffirmed the principles of its settlement. These principles reaffirmed Azerbaijan’s territorial integrity, expressing support for the country’s internationally recognized borders and demanding the immediate withdrawal of all Armenian forces from all occupied territories, reaffirmed the inalienable right of the Azerbaijani population to return to their homes, and reaffirmed that no state should recognize as lawful the situation resulting from the occupation of Azerbaijan’s territories, or render assistance in maintaining that situation. The resolution also recognized the need to provide secure and equal conditions of life for Armenian and Azerbaijani communities in the Nagorno-Karabakh region, which would allow an effective democratic system of self-governance to be built up in the region within Azerbaijan.

“Azerbaijan’s territorial integrity”? The only reason Azerbaijan even has a claim is because some long dead communists drew a line on a map. In case you hadn’t noticed, a “effective, democratic system of self governance” doesn’t exist in Azerbaijan. The people of Nagorno-Karabakh want to remain part of Armenia, and at the end of the day that’s what really matters.

But hey, way to expose yourself as a Stalinist