WALMART TO JACK UP PRICES: "The magnitude and speed at which these prices are coming to us is somewhat unprecedented in history..."

[ModernDiogenes]

OK, speaking purely hypothetically, what happens if the price of a Chinese made product goes up 7,000% BUT a comparable product made in India or Vietnam or Cleveland is still available at the original price or less? Is Walmart required to purchase the higher priced product just to spite Trump and drive away customers?

Again, separate issue. Not stating it’s unworthy for discussion but not germane to the point I made.

We have people who believe we have immigration, economic, crime issues. I’m not arguing the validity of this. It’s a worthy topic but not the matter at point.

The matter at point is some of these folks, enough to change the course of a national election the size of the United States’, thought that a person as readily discernible as deeply ethically corrupted and of such horrible character as Donald J Trump is their answer for all of this.

It’s a societal dumpster fire.

That societal dumpster fire is a FAR more problematic issue than the immigration, economic and crime issues. Who cares if you elevate the symptoms if the patient dies of the disease regardless?

This nation is “Golden Rule Ethical Thinking” challenged. It ability to DISCERN and apply logic and practical, pragmatic, ETHICAL thinking toward problem resolution is decidedly questionable.

Nations die of that disorder.

 

[ataraxia]

I'm going to do what you are doing

Everything bad that happens right now, its Biden's fault and Trump inherited it

Everything good is Trump's credit


there - lets just go with that, its what you did

Except this is not a symmetric situation. By any objective measure, I would be right and you would be wrong. And Donald Trump himself would agree with me and not you.

 

[ataraxia]

I freely admit that I see so many people completely shitting themselves over stuff that not only hasn't happened but is unlikely to be anywhere near as bad as all the histrionics suppose if it does happen.

How much you wanna bet that even if all those things which they warn about will happen, in the worst way possible, it would not change your mind about Trump?

 

[CaughtInThe]

Get back to us when they actually do it.

Damn dude. Are you really in that much denial.

Hell, I've already ordered for our labor prices and our Contract prices to increase because I'm not playing Trump's game for four years. So all of our clients are already feeling the effects of Trump.

 

[BirdinHand]

I HIGHLY doubt it'll rise faster than Biden's first 18 months in office

if it does? price gouging needs looking into - they're using it as an excuse to raise prices

We know who is responsible for the price increases - you voted for him.

His tariffs will either be directly responsible OR his tariffs will enable companies to price gouge.

Either way, if he didn’t start a tariff war for no god damned reason, Americans wouldn’t be in this situation.

This is what you voted for

 

[maxparrish]

Tariff money doesn't just disappear, it help fund our government so we can unburden other tax revenue sources. I should also point out that this will further empower the informed consumer to limit waste, price shop and make substitutions when necessary. Our landfills are already filled with cheap Chinese junk.

a) Other tax revenue sources (e.g. personal income tax) are progressive, tariffs are regressive meaning they disproportionally impact middle and lower classes than that of the upper and affluent classes. The richer a person is, their consumption is a smaller portion of income.

b) Tax money doesn't just disappear, the added welfare effect to the producer and consumer disappears. Moreover, there is a deadweight loss to all regardless of where the tax goes.

c) It does not "empower" anyone but the government. People have the ability and right to consume or "limit waste" as they please ("limiting waste being a purely subjective moralistic concept). Our landfills are filled with broken, old, and waste material - that's why we have them. "Chinese junk" is where all "junk goes".

I find it EXTREMELY ironic that the right wing has denounced environmentalism as "sacrifice", and pointed out (eg Limbaugh) that no nation grows by sacrifice - be it in energy, consumption, etc.

Suddenly the same forces are trying to justify tariffs by sacrificing consumption and the same free choice to consume they defended till Trump's election.

As one Berkeley environmental activist instructor has pointed out, tariff taxes will hurt US consumers and reduce output - exactly what they have wished for decades.

 

[Lycanthrope]

I don't know what to say. A little over a month of pure chaos for nothing.

Trumpism in a nutshell.

 

[anatta]

gonna have to see what cost are absorbed, which arent (passed on) what the tariffs actually do.so far not much except get China to start talks
( which knowing China may never happen or if a Dem replaces Trump- are ignored)

 

[Lutherf]

How much you wanna bet that even if all those things which they warn about will happen, in the worst way possible, it would not change your mind about Trump?

I see. So THAT is what it's about. It's about the freak out, not the facts.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Democrats/liberals were ok with massive inflation under Biden - they didn't care

Whataboutism is an argumentative tactic where a person or group responds to an accusation or difficult question by deflection. Instead of addressing the point made, they counter it with “but what about X?”.

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Whataboutism is an argumentative tactic where a person or group responds to an accusation or difficult question by deflection. Instead of addressing the point made, they counter it with “but what about X?”

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[Lutherf]

Again, separate issue. Not stating it’s unworthy for discussion but not germane to the point I made.

We have people who believe we have immigration, economic, crime issues. I’m not arguing the validity of this. It’s a worthy topic but not the matter at point.

The matter at point is some of these folks, enough to change the course of a national election the size of the United States’, thought that a person as readily discernible as deeply ethically corrupted and of such horrible character as Donald J Trump is their answer for all of this.

It’s a societal dumpster fire.

That societal dumpster fire is a FAR more problematic issue than the immigration, economic and crime issues. Who cares if you elevate the symptoms if the patient dies of the disease regardless?

This nation is “Golden Rule Ethical Thinking” challenged. It ability to DISCERN and apply logic and practical, pragmatic, ETHICAL thinking toward problem resolution is decidedly questionable.

Nations die of that disorder.

Right. It's not germane because it's imperative that we all shit ourselves over the worst case scenario we can possibly imagine instead of actually looking at everything that's going on and coming up with a RATIONAL response.

 

[Rexedgar]

It's just like companies like Ford taking a billion dollars loss when the consumers were suppose to be the ones paying for it.

Link?

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

I freely admit that I see so many people completely shitting themselves over stuff that not only hasn't happened but is unlikely to be anywhere near as bad as all the histrionics suppose if it does happen.

But could happen and this is a debate forum. If you don't want to debate an issue and instead want to do nothing more than making childish comments that would embarrass a 14 yr old, well then go ahead. It reflects on YOU not on the topic.

it's imperative that we all shit ourselves

Dang, I hear immature arguments like this all the time in a school yard. Not by any adults though.

 

[Rexedgar]

I don't know what to say. A little over a month of pure chaos for nothing.

The chaos has only just begun……

 

[Rexedgar]

I stopped at Walmart the other day and the fake Ficus tree I once purchased for $29.99 was now $379.99! It's insanity! People were saying that milk was going to be $93/g. What about the children!? They're all gonna die!

 

[CaughtInThe]

We know who is responsible for the price increases - you voted for him.

His tariffs will either be directly responsible OR his tariffs will enable companies to price gouge.

Either way, if he didn’t start a tariff war for no god damned reason, Americans wouldn’t be in this situation.

This is what you voted for

Check out the MAGAs this thread.

They're like the orchestra playing on the deck of the Titanic.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Why does it matter to the union loving left?

They never shop at Walmart. It isn't union.

This is an example of a MAGA trying to cope.

 

[anatta]

I freely admit that I see so many people completely shitting themselves over stuff that not only hasn't happened but is unlikely to be anywhere near as bad as all the histrionics suppose if it does happen.

FREAK OUT!

 

[Lutherf]

But could happen and this is a debate forum. If you don't want to debate an issue and instead want to do nothing more than making childish comments that would embarrass a 14 yr old, well then go ahead. It reflects on YOU not on the topic.



Dang, I hear immature arguments like this all the time in a school yard. Not by any adults though.

Great. Since it "could" happen we may as well shit ourselves and try to convince as many others as we can to shit themselves as well. I mean, it COULD happen that when you walk out your front door tomorrow you could fall into a quantum rift and end up in another dimension so the only safe way to handle things is to never leave your house...unless that rift opens in your living room....OH NO!!! We're all gonna die!!!!

 

[Lutherf]

FREAK OUT!

Freak out, sure. Freak off, well, we'll just have to see how that plays out in the courts.

 

[anatta]

Freak out, sure. Freak off, well, we'll just have to see how that plays out in the courts.

 

[CaughtInThe]

FREAK OUT!

You don't have to freak out. But you will be paying a lot more money that China will not be paying.

So you got played again.

 

[Ikari]

its just a fact



Democrats/liberals were ok with massive inflation under Biden - they didn't care

but right now? they're screaming about a what-if /might be/maybe possibility in Wal-Mart raising prices

wwahhhh crying is all I heard

its ben a fantastic new Presidency - in almost every way Trump has won, won and won

don't listen to liberal media lies - they lie

Nobody was OK with massive inflation, in fact Biden had taken steps to try to control and bring back down the inflation rate.

The real difference, however, is that this was a global inflation event caused by the fallout of a global pandemic of which Biden had no control of. The inflation and rising prices now are completely due to the actions of Trump himself.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

Right. It's not germane because it's imperative that we all shit ourselves over the worst case scenario we can possibly imagine instead of actually looking at everything that's going on and coming up with a RATIONAL response.

There are rational responses to all of it.

It’s lost in the inability to derive at them because of the corruption and the smoke fog of tribalism and other induced means of covering up corruption, being used by those doing the corrupting.

^^^^ that^^^^

Is the actual problem. Clear that up, all the rest of it gets a LOT easier to resolve.

We also survive as a representative democracy.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Read an article recently talking about how it's way more expensive to be poor.

I never really thought about it but their point was that when you're poor you have to buy cheaper stuff which wears out way faster and then you have to buy again. Or you have to buy cheap food that's totally unhealthy which runs up your medical bills. Etc.

So all the lower middle class and poor Republicans are going to get hit hard by what's coming.