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Wall supporters.

Wall supporters.

Let's try to make the wall issue a bit clearer.

Where exactly is this wall going to be built?

How much wall is needed?

Is a wall a wall or a fence, a moat, a 'barrier', orange cones, what?

What specifically do wall supporters want?

Trump and border control officials likely have most of those details already worked out. We are just waiting for Pelosi and childish mob to stop throwing tantrum fits and get with the program.
 
Trump and border control officials likely have most of those details already worked out. We are just waiting for Pelosi and childish mob to stop throwing tantrum fits and get with the program.

So unveil the plans if the details are already worked out instead of just insisting on a wall. I have never once heard the president site specifics.
 
So unveil the plans if the details are already worked out instead of just insisting on a wall. I have never once heard the president site specifics.

Write the president and see if he can send you the details.
 
Write the president and see if he can send you the details.

I'm curious, do you actually believe the stuff you post? Instead of claiming the details are worked out, give us a link to that info because I haven't heard anything about details. I'm listening to a republican senator on tv right now and he is saying wall, fence, slats, technology etc. Yet you are claiming the details are worked out. Maybe you should write senator Shelby and ask him if the details are worked out?
 
Wall supporters.

Let's try to make the wall issue a bit clearer.

Where exactly is this wall going to be built?

How much wall is needed?

Is a wall a wall or a fence, a moat, a 'barrier', orange cones, what?

What specifically do wall supporters want?

We would be happy with leftists simply enforcing our nations border laws. Why what do you sanctuary city supporters want besides illegals invading our country?
 
We would be happy with leftists simply enforcing our nations border laws. Why what do you sanctuary city supporters want besides illegals invading our country?

How about the employers of these 'illegals' start going to jail? If people who come here illegally can't get a job, they're not going to stay. Instead of a wall put the weight on those who hire illegally. Just think of all the money we can get from fining businesses before we put the head of said business behind bars. It also solves the problem of they are coming here and stealing our jobs.
 
Wall supporters.

Let's try to make the wall issue a bit clearer.

Where exactly is this wall going to be built?

How much wall is needed?

Is a wall a wall or a fence, a moat, a 'barrier', orange cones, what?

What specifically do wall supporters want?

I don't really care either way on the wall.
 
Trump and border control officials likely have most of those details already worked out. We are just waiting for Pelosi and childish mob to stop throwing tantrum fits and get with the program.

Great, let's fund the government without funds for the wall and have hearings to assess their recommendations... We could pass a bill authorizing funding for the wall anytime we conclude that there is a rational plan and details for how the money will be spent.. You know, like responsible legislators...
 
Great, let's fund the government without funds for the wall and have hearings to assess their recommendations... We could pass a bill authorizing funding for the wall anytime we conclude that there is a rational plan and details for how the money will be spent.. You know, like responsible legislators...

Would those be the same "responsible legislators" that have allowed 12M to 20M illegal immigrants to reside in the US? That seems much like let's just keep illegal immigration as "an issue" because that gets congress critters re-elected at a rate of over 90%.
 
Would those be the same "responsible legislators" that have allowed 12M to 20M illegal immigrants to reside in the US? That seems much like let's just keep illegal immigration as "an issue" because that gets congress critters re-elected at a rate of over 90%.

It is, the same GOP and DNC legislators that have traded control at various times over the last 30-40 years and have done little to address the issue.
 
It is, the same GOP and DNC legislators that have traded control at various times over the last 30-40 years and have done little to address the issue.

Yep, and you appear to want to keep that way. There appear to be two main (not necessarily mutually exclusive) groups who want more immigration (legal or not): those who see immigration (legal or not) as a way of keeping the cost of US labor as low as possible and those who see immigration (legal or not) as accelerating favorable demographic changes.
 
Great, let's fund the government without funds for the wall and have hearings to assess their recommendations... We could pass a bill authorizing funding for the wall anytime we conclude that there is a rational plan and details for how the money will be spent.. You know, like responsible legislators...

Let's fund the government without funding for Planned Parenthood or secular global warming pseudo science, and then maybe we'll have enough money for border security that makes sense.
 
Yep, and you appear to want to keep that way. There appear to be two main (not necessarily mutually exclusive) groups who want more immigration (legal or not): those who see immigration (legal or not) as a way of keeping the cost of US labor as low as possible and those who see immigration (legal or not) as accelerating favorable demographic changes.

Not quite, I want to understand the cost/benefit of wall versus other solutions. If DHS has the supporting data, should be a quick hearing and we can write the check...
 
Let's fund the government without funding for Planned Parenthood or secular global warming pseudo science, and then maybe we'll have enough money for border security that makes sense.

There is no line item in any budget for Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood is one of many providers that receive reimbursement for services we do fund. The constitution is very clear on bills of attainder.
 
Also, at what point does Trump get the necessary money from Mexico ?


I mean Don promised that Mexico would pay for the wall didn't he ?
 
How about the employers of these 'illegals' start going to jail? If people who come here illegally can't get a job, they're not going to stay. Instead of a wall put the weight on those who hire illegally. Just think of all the money we can get from fining businesses before we put the head of said business behind bars. It also solves the problem of they are coming here and stealing our jobs.


That might work unless illegals steal a US citizen's identity.


Illegal immigrants cited in theft of 39 million Social Security numbers

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...n-theft-of-39-million-social-security-numbers
 
We would be happy with leftists simply enforcing our nations border laws. Why what do you sanctuary city supporters want besides illegals invading our country?


Why wouldn't you be happy with "rightists" enforcing border laws ?
 
Little hazy on "crossable"


What would be crossable and what would be uncrossable ?

Well, Rich2018, I am referring to any part of the border that with little assistance practically any non-disabled person could literally walk across. Parts of the border with natural barriers (sheer rock walls, rivers, etc.) that could not be crossed without equipment and specialized skills should not have barriers built directly atop them. But they should nonetheless by monitored (perhaps with drone technology) for those willing to make the trek with said equipment and skills.
 
How about the employers of these 'illegals' start going to jail? If people who come here illegally can't get a job, they're not going to stay...


What, jail rich Republican business owners...the ones who donate to the Republican party ?

Why would Trump want to do that ?


Also that would mean jailing almost everyone who's had their windows/roof/fences replaced or driveway relaid or garden landscaped...
 
Not quite, I want to understand the cost/benefit of wall versus other solutions. If DHS has the supporting data, should be a quick hearing and we can write the check...

That is very easily done: remove five miles of physical barriers along the border between Tijuana and San Diego, replacing them with your proposed "other solutions", and observe what happens.
 
Well, Rich2018, I am referring to any part of the border that with little assistance practically any non-disabled person could literally walk across....

OK...and 5 years to the right or left of that ?

Extend the wall those 10 yeards ?

Now how about 5 yeards to the left or right of that ?

It goes on.


Do you build this wall in the USA because I'm pretty sure Mexico not only will make Trump break one promise of Mexico paying for the wall...but they'll not allow any structure on their own soil.


For much of the border, the actual demarcation line is at the deepest part of the Rio Grande river. And international treaty prevents the USA from disrupting the flow of that river.


You obviously don't build a heavy structure on a mud river bank...so how many US citizens will be South of the wall ?



Edit: If you make the wall impenetrable...it means any illegal who enters the USA will just decide to stay here.
 
That is very easily done: remove five miles of physical barriers along the border between Tijuana and San Diego, replacing them with your proposed "other solutions", and observe what happens.

You are making the argument AGAINST human physical barrier out in the middle nowhere. The exact reason why it is sitting on the border with San Diego is that urban centers is exactly were human physical border is effective integrated with other border security elements. That does not make any sort of argument for human physical barrier in rural areas of the border.
 
If you want to make a case as to why people entering our country should not have to come through legal points of entry and identify themselves to our national government prior to entering our country, then by all means make your case, noonereal.

The barrier you proposed was too short, therefore you support open borders.
 
You are making the argument AGAINST human physical barrier out in the middle nowhere. The exact reason why it is sitting on the border with San Diego is that urban centers is exactly were human physical border is effective integrated with other border security elements. That does not make any sort of argument for human physical barrier in rural areas of the border.

Nope, I'm saying that high traffic crossing areas change based on where crossing without incident is made (or remains) easier. Few simply try random unassisted border crossings - the 'professionals', who act as border crossing guides, know what places are available for easier crossing.
 
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