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Interesting. And what are the pensions for elected officials in Illinois? Just curious.
My point is I think it's shameful for people like Walker and Daniels claim their employees have to sacrifice, while they do not.
I also think it's sad that, instead of people demanding more from their employers (what state government workers receive USED to be what private sectors employees got), they want to make sure others have as crappy benefits as they do.
"We have fewer rights! You should to!"
And this isn't about the budget at all. It's been said over and over again, that the contribution changes and the wage freezes would be acceptable; the only thing they ask is that the right to collective bargaining not be stripped from them.
Walker could solve this quickly. But he won't. Why? Because it's not about budgets at all; it's solely about stripping workers' rights (and selling public utilities off to his rich friends at prices he deems fit - because he has to pay back his masters).
This is an assault on all working people.
I don't think public unions should have the right to collective bargaining, a right limited at the Federal level. FDR got it right when he didn't support collective bargaining for public unions. I support Walker 100% but since I am not in Wisconsin and neither are you it really doesn't matter what we think.
The assault on the working class is the unions thinking the taxpayers owe them more money
WTF "crisis" are you talking about? If Walker had not gave away tax breaks to his buddies then there would have been "no crisis." As Walker admitted when he got punked, it wasn't about the budget, it was about busting unions with Wisconsin being the first domino. He didn't mention that in his campaign, but he sure as hell doesn't mind agreeing with David Koch, his biggest contributor, about it.
So teachers, cops, and firefighters should be slaves?
Besides, you just said you don't pay taxes, so why do you care?
Libertarians also wish to end corporate welfare and our military imperialism around the globe. You okay with that too?
You really don't have a clue how to create jobs. You look at the tax cuts to lure companies and ignore the people those companies hire that pay taxes. you don't have a lot of credibility on any issue as you run when confronted. Just like tax cuts to you cause deficits and not spending. You see tax cuts doing nothing for the economy and history proves you wrong. Walker is trying to lure people back to the states, think raising taxes to fund public unions will do that?
It is not the education but what others make for the same job. You want to distort to justify the overpayment of government employees
You really hate it when I tell you that you fail to comprehend what other posters write. You keep saying that is not the case despite it happening over and over and over again in thread after thread after thread.
Now it seems that you fail to even comprehend what you yourself write.
Again, here is your allegation
My position?!?!?!? What in the world are you talking about? Why do you have a link which says not one single word to support the claim you previously made? Do you even read your own links?
This is YOUR POSITION taken earlier that is under discussion. Got that Turtle? YOUR POSITION. But at least you get credit for attempting a Three Card Montie switch even though you failed at it.
Sadly, the material you posted above FAILS MISERABLY to support your allegation. Most likely because you are trying very hard to make everyone forget what it actually was and now want to trot out a strawman of your own creation to do battle with.
Please do your work this time. Find some objective and authoritative source which provides the data to support your claim. I understand you have precious little experience finding data that agrees with you so you have this second chance.
Getting back to the thread topic - Gallup Poll: Only Highest Earners Support Gutting Collective Bargaining
"Gov. Scott Walker (R-WI) does have at least one demographic on his side in the battle to eliminate collective bargaining rights for public unions -- the wealthy.
Earlier this week, Gallup released a poll showing that six in ten Americans said they oppose plans to roll back collective bargaining rights for public unions in their own states. As Greg Sargent noted today, only one income bracket within that poll -- those making more than $90,000 per year -- favors that idea.
In fact, the more money people make, the more likely they are to support eliminating collective bargaining, according to the poll.
Among those who make less than $24,000 per year, 19% support cutting union rights, while 74% are opposed. Americans earning between $24,000 and $59,999 oppose that plan by a 33% to 63% split, while those earning between $60,000 and $89,999 also opposed the plan, 41% to 53%.
Among the top earners, however, 50% said they would support a plan to cut collective bargaining rights to reduce the deficit, while 47% said they oppose such a plan.
There have only been a smattering of polls on the question so far, but surveys so far have largely shown Americans supporting unions over Walker."
Gallup Poll: Only Highest Earners Support Gutting Collective Bargaining | TPMDC
It is not the education but what others make for the same job. You want to distort to justify the overpayment of government employees
those who go into the teaching major are generally the bottom of the barrel academically.
I cannot think of anyone who planned on being a HS teacher who I went to Yale with. One guy-a Marshall scholar, dropped out of yale Law to teach at a yeshiva after suddenly becing far more observant a Jew than he was in college but he is the only one of about 500 people I knew well enough to know what they did after college. I would say 200 went to law school, 100 went to medical school, 100 went to graduate school 7 went to the military, 10 trained for various olympic games (mostly rowing) and most of the rest worked and then went to b school or law school
What overpayment? How much do you think teachers, firefighters and police should make? Let's see your numbers.
The Education Divide - NYTimes.com
Public workers with college degrees make an average of $13,000 LESS than their private sector counterparts. Only in unskilled labor requiring no degree do they make (and then slightly) more than private sector workers.
Myth busted.
yeah for the most part
Here's an idea, genius, pay them more and you'd attract higher quality people.
Keep paying them **** and you're just going to end up with dumber children and a worse economy.
Oh, but you'd have more people to look down upon from your ivory tower, so I guess I see why you would like that so much.
I am delighted we both agree with ending corporate welfare and US military imperialism around the globe! :sun
ie those paying most of the taxes?
We all pay taxes. Do you mean those that make more than those they are complaining about?
We all pay taxes. Do you mean those that make more than those they are complaining about?
I think in this economy and with the government with no money they are doing better than most and should be content they are well off.
The next step is layoffs is that what you want. thenthey will have to live on unemployment which is much less.
Providence Rhode Island 1,926 Pink Slip Teachers
No we all do not pay taxes. I started a thread proving it
I said what I meant and meant what I said. the rich most of the actually tax dollars in this country. The top 5% pay more federal income taxes than the bottom 95% and more death confiscation taxes (indeed the top 1 percent pay more DC taxes than the bottom 99%)
as to the taxes that fund teachers in the public sector-that depends on how the states fund them
Interesting. And what are the pensions for elected officials in Illinois? Just curious.
My point is I think it's shameful for people like Walker and Daniels claim their employees have to sacrifice, while they do not.
I also think it's sad that, instead of people demanding more from their employers (what state government workers receive USED to be what private sectors employees got), they want to make sure others have as crappy benefits as they do.
"We have fewer rights! You should to!"
And this isn't about the budget at all. It's been said over and over again, that the contribution changes and the wage freezes would be acceptable; the only thing they ask is that the right to collective bargaining not be stripped from them.
Walker could solve this quickly. But he won't. Why? Because it's not about budgets at all; it's solely about stripping workers' rights (and selling public utilities off to his rich friends at prices he deems fit - because he has to pay back his masters).
This is an assault on all working people.
No we all do not pay taxes. I started a thread proving it
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