again I never mentioned anything about this please stop strawmaning the argument.
I know it is hard for pot advocates but concentrate.
this has nothing to do with the fact that kids, pets and adults are being poisoned by
ingesting too much THC.
Your in-law could say the same thing
I was trying to be civil, but I guess you control freaks just cannot help yourselves. Not sure why you feel the need to resort to personal insults.
The alcohol angle is about as far from straw man as it gets where control freak pot prohibitionists are concerned. It is a perfectly logical and valid counterpoint. One which you and your ilk are guaranteed to run away from every time.
they have had to go to the hospital and have their system flushed.
that is where most people go when they are poisoned.
again the rest is irrelevant the fact is THC poisoning is on the rise.
this is a fact. everything else you attempt to bring up is irrelevant.
your house of straw went <--- way.
no where did I mention dying from it or anything else.
however the fact is THC poisoning is becoming an issue in CO.
this is fact.
from adults to kids that got in their parents pot candy or cookies.
try and actually argue what people say instead of making crap up about what they didn't say.
strawman arguments are fallacies and not arguments at all.
again please tell me what this has to do with people getting THC poisoned and that it is on the rise?
if you can't then you have 0 argument.
there was no personal insult. The fact is you can't make an argument against what I said.
so you have to make up an irrelevant argument and act like it is something.
If it was as simple as you say then whatever, but it isn't.
the fact is weed brings other trouble with it no matter what area you are in.
gangs, black markets, cartels are thriving in CO and CA where pot is legal.
they are bringing other drugs with them which is usually the case.
again please tell me what this has to do with people getting THC poisoned and that it is on the rise?
if you can't then you have 0 argument.
there was no personal insult. The fact is you can't make an argument against what I said.
so you have to make up an irrelevant argument and act like it is something.
If it was as simple as you say then whatever, but it isn't.
the fact is weed brings other trouble with it no matter what area you are in.
gangs, black markets, cartels are thriving in CO and CA where pot is legal.
they are bringing other drugs with them which is usually the case.
First, I'm not a zealot. I'm a realist on this issue. I can make that claim because I have enough awareness to recognize that to claim something is dangerous, you have to measure that level of danger against other things that are both safe and very dangerous.
Water is "safe" compared to mercury. Water is "safe" compared to aspirin. Water is "safe" compared to kool-aid. Therefore, water is safe. But, that does not mean that water is not without its danger. Even so, I can safely say that water is safe because I'm comparing it to other things and coming up with a reasoned measure of how dangerous it is.
MJ is "safe" compared to mercury. MJ is "safe" compared to aspirin. MJ is "safe" compared to kool-aid (the dyes are well-known carcinogens). Therefore, MJ is safe. But, that does not mean that MJ is not without its danger. Even so, I can safely say that MJ is safe because I'm comparing it to other things and coming up with a reasoned measure of how dangerous it is.
Are you doing the same? Are others that claim MJ is dangerous doing the same? If not, then who's the zealot?
Links?
Are you talking about reefer tourists? Yes, there are people who haven't smoked or haven't smoked for years or haven't smoked legal weed who O'Dowd on weekend trips to Colorado. There are two kinds of OD. Are you talking about overdose or O'Dowd?
Who is it that is THC poisoned in Colorado? What constitutes THC poisoning? Is it an agreed medical condition? What are the long term effects? What did these people consume and how did they consume it? How many people and how old were they?
Are most of the reported incidents related to edibles?
On a trip to Denver I tried chocolate edibles 2 nights. I ate the suggested amount on the first night about 2 hours before bed. Nada. The next night I ate twice as much. Two hours later, bupkis. I went to sleep. In the middle of the night I woke up and stared at the telly for what seemed like 200 years. I giggled and smiled and went back to sleep. Great sleep. But you never know about edibles, as Maureen O'Dowd explained. In fact, Willie Nelson sat he has tried edibles twice and never again.
It's difficult to measure the even amounts of cannabis for each piece of section of edible. Plus it takes much longer to work and its effects last much longer. Finally, it depends on the strain in the edibles, the amount consumed over a given amount of time and the individual. We are all different.
How do we know that there has been an increase in THC poisoning as opposed to an increase in reported THC poisoning? There is a difference? Weed has not been legal in Colorado for almost a century. Can it be reasonable that heretofore, when pot was illegal, people who O'Dowd on pot were extremely reluctant to seek medical help?
When you make assumptions as you have in your post I for one would like to know where you are getting your "facts" and if those "facts" warrant the degree of your concern. At this point we have no idea how valid your "facts" are and what the implications are, if any.
Please answer my specific questions regarding "THC poisoning"
I already did go back and read.
No, you didn't. Statistics, specifics.
What is the toxic level of marijuana? How many people fatally overdosed in CO? How many were permanently damaged by MJ in CO?
Seriously, answer some questions. Show your work.
This is a big yawn for anyone who is even mildly realistic about weed and it's potential side effects/danger.
Seriously, the only thing this kind of story counters are the few people so far gone in their pro-weed zealotry that they declare it to be absolutely, completely, and utterly "harmless" simply based on whether or not people can die from an OD.
As I had to explain in another thread
DEATH != HARM
Something can cause you HARM and never have any chance to actually kill you. Something can potentially kill you, but rarely have the chance to do you harm. While these things are related, they are not exclusive. Talking about the potential for overdose as the singular discussion of "harm" is simply inaccurate and unrealistic; a pathetic talking point often propagated by pro-legalization zealots who, similar to the zealots on the other side, refuse to actually address things honestly and instead attempt to misdirect and function in a dishonest Machiavellian fashion, justifying it due to their ultimate goal.
Neither is harmful inherently or singularly a measure of "toxicity". While those two things are related, they are not the same.
All of which is irrelevant since there have been people who haven't been suggesting it's simply innocuous or not very dangerous or not very harmful, but have flat out, unapologetically, absolutely "harmless", which is what I was pointing out when someone claimed that "no one" says such a thing.
Are you claiming that MJ causes a lot of harm?
No. There's absolutely zero way you can come away with that impression unless you're basically so wrapped up in this issue and so zealous in your pursuing of it that anyone who isn't as absolutely strident and fervent as you MUST be a crazy person on the other side. There's literally zero reason you'd actually need to ask such a question if you were reading any of the posts I made in this thread honestly and without an assumption that I was somehow against MJ legalization.
I thought this couldnt happen ?
Waka Flocka Flame treated by paramedics after smoking too much marijuana
Rapper Waka Flocka Flame may have hit a new low — by getting way too high.
The "Game On" rapper performed at a concert in Seattle Sunday where he was treated by paramedics after smoking an excessive amount of pot.
He admitted to smoking 20 blunts.
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/waka-flocka-flame-treated-paramedics-article-1.2607628
https://news.vice.com/article/colorado-lawsuit-claims-marijuana-edibles-caused-people-to-overdose
most of it is from edibles.
the CO CDC blamed pot for a transfer student jumping to his death.
he ate all 5 of the cookies in 1 like 30 minutes after he ate the first one.
Thanks. In reading a link from the article we discover that Kirk did shoot and kill his wife during an argument. He was found to have only a small amount of THC in his system. He was also reported to have been displaying a tendency toward violence weeks before the incident. Kirk and his wife were having financial and marital problems.
Did Kirk OD on cannabis and kill his wife? He did kill his wife. It does not appear that he was even high when he killed his wife.
The guy who "jumped" off the balcony may have fallen off the balcony. He did in fact eat an entire pot cookie which constituted 6 servings/doses. He was an out of state guy who with friends tried edibles. He did not die of an overdose.
How did I come away with the idea that you believe MJ causes harm?
Are you suggesting that unless someone thinks that marijuana is utterly harmless, then it can be assumed they think it is extremely harmful?
If they "were only minding their own bussiness " it wouldnt be an issue
Youre not actually suggesting that the effects of drug use start and stop at the users front door are you ?
That when they leave their appartment and or home they magically sober up ?
That their choice to " mind their own bussiness " has no effect on their Childrens education, on their Childrens future and no effect on the Schools or the community ?
The camapign to end ciggarette smoking among young people has really been stepped up in the last few years and thankfully theyre making great progress.
again no where anywhere did I say anything about overdose.
I have said that THC poisoning is on the rise.
and the CDC attributes that boy that jumped his death to pot. as he ate all the cookies not just 1.
there was like 5 of them.
the article supports my statement.
At least 56 people called Rocky Mountain Poison and Drug Center to complain about marijuana-related scares last year. Children's Hospital Colorado admitted at least 14 children younger than 10 for eating marijuana-infused foods last year. Seven of those kids went to the hospital's intensive care unit.
the only people mentioning death and overdose are people strawmaning what I said. no where have I mentioned death or overdose.
I believe it has the ability to cause some level of harm, which inherently makes it not "harmless". Anything more than that is entirely irrelevant to the point I was making and I was talking about.